Allan Sobol: Medical Marijuana Clubs Will Replace Dispensaries in Arizona; For-Profit Club to Offer "Free" Pot

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​A new medical-marijuana club managed by Allan Sobol -- an industry huckster and pot-business pioneer -- says it will give away up to an eighth of an ounce of "high-grade" pot for "free" to qualified patients.

 

Naturally, there's a catch. The club charges members a hefty $75 in dues each time they come in.

Yeah -- that doesn't sound "free" to us, either. But the promotion isn't a typical bait-and-switch business ploy.

In a manner similar to another pot club we told you about on Friday, the free-pot concept is designed to put "medicine" in the hands of the state's 6,000-plus medical pot patients -- legally.

Sobol's business model flouts Governor Jan Brewer's ban on dispensaries. And it's designed to make lots of money for the for-profit 2811 Club, LLC.

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Allan Sobol, seen here at the mock dispensary he used to help advertise his consulting business, is the general manager of a new medical pot club that gives away pot to qualified patients for "free." Club members must pay $75 in dues each time they show up, Sobol says.

Sobol, whom we've mentioned previously in articles about the budding industry, is the general manager of the club, which opens to marijuana patients on July 4. (The name refers to the law that, in theory, allows such clubs.). The club is at the same north Phoenix strip-mall storefront used by Sobol as a mock dispensary last year: 17233 North Holmes Boulevard, Suite 1615.

Arizona Corporation Commission records show that the LLC's principal member is Shawn Whitton. The marijuana will be provided by coalitions of registered marijuana caregivers, one of which is called the Arizona Compassion Association. The system remains within the boundaries of the new law, Sobol claims.

"I don't know where it comes from," Sobol says of the "free" medicine that will be given to dues-paying club members. "I don't have to know where it comes from."

Most of the marijuana, he says, apparently comes from that grown by caregivers, who are licensed by the state to provide marijuana to up to five patients. The caregivers can legally grow up to 12 pot plants for each patient.

"They have a lot of excess, and they've decided to distribute it," Sobol says, adding that Phoenix police "agree what we're doing is perfectly legal."

Under ARS 36-2811, card-holding patients aren't subject to penalties:

For offering or providing marijuana to a registered qualifying patient or a registered designated caregiver for the registered qualifying patient's medical use or to
a registered nonprofit medical marijuana dispensary if nothing of value is transferred in return and the person giving the marijuana does not knowingly cause the recipient to possess more than the allowable amount of marijuana.

Qualified patients may possess up to 2.5 ounces of pot.

The for-profit 2811 Club will make donations to the caregiver associations occasionally to help them offset the costs of growing the pot, he says.

Club members gain free access to classes offered by Sobol concerning all areas of the marijuana industry, from cooking with pot to using vaporizers and bongs. The clubhouse will offer fun activities, too, like karaoke night. But no one will be able to use marijuana there, Sobol says.

"That was at the request of local law enforcement, and -- more importantly, at the request of our insurance company," he says.

Unlike the burdensome requirements associated with the planned dispensaries, the club model supposedly doesn't need to adhere to zoning requirements or any regulation whatsoever.

Sobol says he's aware of about 10 other similar clubs throughout the Valley, (none as good as 2811, he crows), and that these clubs will replace the on-hold marijuana dispensary system. Even if Brewer changes her mind and allows the Department of Health Services to begin accepting dispensary applications, the club concept won't go away, he predicts.

Indeed, without all the overhead expenses of dispensaries, 2811 Club, LLC's business model seems to be nothing less than Sgt. Stadanko's "last bastion of free enterprise left in America."


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Dulcinea Toboso
Dulcinea Toboso

If you are a truly sick person that uses medical marijuana then please read this.

I first joined the 2811 club a few months ago because it was the only one I could find and was close to me.  

The club said that it was in support of a medial atmosphere, for the sick.  However upon entering the club it was very dark.  Probably because you couldn't see how much you are being ripped off.  In addition, there was a strobing type light and being an epileptic, it almost threw me into a seizure.  It wasn't a medical atmosphere, rather a party atmosphere.

The employees or staff or whatever were incapable of answering the most basic of questions.

So, as a member you get free samples.  The problem: you never knew how many grams you are going to get.  And if you tried to call to see how many grams they were giving that day, they don't answer the phone.

The bottom line, would I be a member if I didn't get the samples? HELL NO.

So even the bags never weighed right (think the employees were pinching or the owner was directly ripping me off).  The THC content they claimed the bud had was unrealistic and didn't give me very much relief from my disease.

If it was "medical grade" then why did I get seeds and more stems than bud.

Again, why would I join the club unless I needed the medicine?

I have met and talked with the owner who is pompus and only interested in lining his pockets.

His webpage is an eyesore and makes me want to have seizures.  It is a direct representation on how disorganized and unprofessional this company is.  He loves to boast that it gets more hits than any other page in Arizona.  That justifies his ugly page.  He is so boneheaded that he doesn't realize patients are going to seek out better solutions.  His website and club will fade into non-exsistence.

I'm glad the club was closed and I was forced to find a new one.  Yoki's is great.  The atmosphere is sterile and professional.  They actually have a lit atmosphere.  They weigh the medicine right in front of you on a digital scale.  You always get the agreed upon amount.  And the best thing, it's leaps and bounds cheaper!  Wow, I've saved over $300 since 2811 club has been closed.  

In addition to the true medical atmosphere, there are no clueless staff members.  Just the husband and wife run the place.  The owners don't  hide behind some mysterious club front.  You meet them in person.  They actually listen to feedback and listen if you have a problem.  If you give Allen feedback or suggestions, he protests, throws facts, and is not interested in anything you have to bring to the table.  And wow, he is the biggest media whore.

I can go on and on.  I have a million complaints.

I hope the 2811 Club stays shut permanently.  I will continue to spread the word.

IF YOU ARE A TRULY SICK PERSON AND NEED MEDICINE, GO TO YOKI'S.

Marijuana
Marijuana

what people don't realize is this club has a niche. If you want cheap marijuana an want to get high with your buddies this isn't the place for you. The niche is that in the abscense of dispensaries and in a market that is immature like Az when it comes to cannabis it provides a safe place where patients can go to obtain medical grade cannabis, that is tested for mold, that is tested for THC content ( that is what gives you the 'high' feeling,which no 'ppt head' growing in his back yard does. The point is that it provides education, classes to teach caregivers how to safely grow for their patients, teach patients how they can use their medicine safely, how to cook with medical cannabis. Those classes cost hundreds of dollars if you don't believe me check out websites of other cannabis universities. It provides a place for patients to sit in a safe comfortable environment, meaning there is a security guard who will accompany you to your car, security cameras that protect you from theft and harm, and mingle. Eventually the club will provide support groups for breast cancer patients, HIV patients, arthritis and chronis pain patients a venue to mingle and share experiences. That's what the club is about. And yes you get about an eigth for free on each admission. But if you want walmart style diapensaries or a seedy place where you go in the back room and exchange money for pot (which is ILLEGAL by the way) go ahead. Also it costs about $8000 to $10000 to start a grow on your own, alot of prior experience and an increase of $200 a month on your electricity bill. Which some people can afford others need a safe knowledgeable place they can go too and get their medicine and learn about the plant itself. And when the market matures and there is enough excess cannabis, the club will offer more than 4 grams each admission, maybe double that.

Terrylreilly
Terrylreilly

I like the idea  of the compassion clubs, but for the people like myself who have been on disability for ten years, the prices make it out of my reach. therefor making it impossible  for me to be able to medicate as my Dr. advised.   Colorado has dispensaries which distributes mmj to qualified individuals for around 400.00 per ounce... Good QUALITY AND VARIETY.I was very disappointed to have to pay 75.00 just to get in the door, and drive 100 miles for that. I need affordable medicine does anyone have any suggestions? please I can grow but not with out help and need medicine in the mean time. we need a place to network that doesnt cost 75.00 to meet people and find care givers. I am willing to volunteer to help with growing trimming or driving mmj to homebound patients or office type of work. I am a registered nurse retired.  call me if you are interested or can help thank-you much 3074776609

Shanna Weishaar
Shanna Weishaar

I will never pay 75 dollars for a 8th of anything haha sukers this clubs a joke and lied nothings free ..........

Med Momma
Med Momma

While I understand the need for compassionate care, I don't think a $75 entry fee is compassionate or realistic. Some of these patients simply need their medicine, and don't care about the classes or other "benefits". Paying your overhead is one thing, gouging is another. With all the compassion clubs opening in Phx, the customer will determine the price and you will soon see compassion club "fees" such as these go down or out of business. I prefer the second option for hucksters. The true fighters for medical cannabis should never associate with people who choose to turn the cannabis industry into their own personal  gold mine. Hucksters and their followers will kill this industry with their greed.

lzs
lzs

 Yesooo, I am proud of my natural black lace wigs, but there is no way that I am ready to spend 3 hours or more of my life through the rigors of making it presentable. My hair is natural all the way (I do relax my front wigsand never have) but there is not much I can do with natural hair shoulder length without looking like a woman parading newly disturbed "Ahiaeke. " I give kudos to thoes who have no qualms to relax their hair extensions or thoes who spend up to 6 hours braiding wigs and keep for months without washing every week.

Arizona Dispense
Arizona Dispense

Since the dispensary FAQ is no longer available on the AZ DHS homepage, we have updated it and put it up at http://arizonadispense.com/faq.  

Providing medical marijuana to patients at $600/oz. may be viewed as a for-profit venture according to the Ogden memo if you label it a club, collective, or a dispensary.  If the Justice dept. get involved, do you really think they will let you use the "free" loophole as evidence?

Rshun188
Rshun188

Very nice I'm glad to hear the sick have a safe clean place to obtain quality medicine in Arizona finally , keep it up Allan

Ceo Azcs
Ceo Azcs

Just so everyone knows, after Ray's article came out DHS CHANGED FAQ QP30which now reads,

QP30: Where can I legally obtain marijuana if I am a qualifying patient?Qualifying patients can obtain medical marijuana from a dispensary, the qualifying patient's designated caregiver, another qualifying patient, or, if authorized to cultivate, from home cultivation.

Notice "buy" is now "obtain" ;)  Words are very important in a court of law DHS, shame on you.

Adam
Adam

$75 for an eighth of an ounce??? I doubt you'll have very many people willing to pay $75 for an eighth when you can get the highest quality somewhere else for $60 and even $45 for something a little less potent. Good luck overcharging people...

MM Care Connect
MM Care Connect

Not wanting to pay compassion club's high prices? Looking for a private way to find your medicine or a way to privately advertise you are a caregiver? Vist www.mmcareconnect.com 

Mistalee
Mistalee

I remember the good old days when the cheaper Mexican stuff was $10 an ounce.

We could score kilos cheaper than Sobol "gives away" an ounce.

Monkey
Monkey

Wait wait wait... Are they really offering an OZ for $75 on July 4th? Or am I reading that wrong? Thanks!!

Michelle
Michelle

Why is this so hard to comprehend for the average person?  Arizona passed Prop 203 in November 2010, we now have over 6,000 MMJ patients with cards who need their medicine.  Just like in the other states which have passed medical marijuana we'll have compassion clubs where people can come and pick up their medicine and network with other patients.  Check out the World Famous Oregon Cannabis Cafe (http://www.worldfamouscannabis... which is the model for how a well run compassion club works.  Cardholders pay $5.00 to come into the club where you can medicate and relax and also purchase your medicine for a reasonable price.

I wish the media would stop calling it "pot" this is lazy ass journalism and I know it's a short and punchy word but I prefer medical marijuana or MMJ. Dispensaries are in the deep freeze and I don't think they'll open ever especially with the criminal collusion between certain syndicates that tried to game the system.

Congratultions Club 2811 you are an inspiration for the rest of our state.

Ceo Azcs
Ceo Azcs

Well, it would appear we are not the only ones to move ahead without DHS ;) thanks for gettin my ugly mug off the top Al ;) There will be lots of compassion clubs showing up here soon. We have advised several groups on how to start one the right way and have assisted several that were doing it the wrong way. Al won't need much help from us but as always we'll swing by later and offer it.

AZCS founded the first Compassion Club (Arizona Compassion Club) and still sponsors the organization through today. We have also stated opening the AZCS Compassion Centers around the valley. The opposite of the clubs you'll find in these industrial or light commercial areas, kind of the "home cooking" to the "fast food" model out there from us now. These Compassion Centers are intended to ALLOW medical marijuana use at the center, well actually, we encourage it! Not everyone in AZ has a history with marijuana so to speak, our goal is to educate them on the various methods of use as well as having the ability to offer a "sample" to a patient. Keep your eyes peeled for one coming to your area.

Guest1
Guest1

Genius.. Fuck Brewer 

Allan Sobol
Allan Sobol

Value is what you perceive it to be!  The 2811 Club is not for everyone.  There are some individuals who have serious debilitating diseases and chronic pain. Some who are very vulnerable,  some who feel  the need for  the security and safety, some who want to  purchase their medication in a legal and dignified manner, others who  feel the need to be assured of quality medication, some  want the expectation  of coming into a professional and clean business operation , and yet others who simply  want the collective camaraderie  and  social networking of a true club environment,  some  want the ability to become educated on all aspects of Medical marijuana, some want the entertainment and resources, we offer.  For all these people The 2811 Club brings great value, and for these reasons the medication they receive is in fact FREE.  For those that just want  to cop a bag of weed, I suggest you look elsewhere.

Allan Sobol
Allan Sobol

Value is what you perceive it to be!  The 2811 Club is not for everyone.  There are some individuals who have serious debilitating diseases and chronic pain. Some who are very vulnerable,  some who feel  the need for  the security and safety, some who want to  purchase their medication in a legal and dignified manner, others who  feel the need to be assured of quality medication, some  want the expectation  of coming into a professional and clean business operation , and yet others who simply  want the collective camaraderie  and  social networking of a true club environment,  some  want the ability to become educated on all aspects of Medical marijuana, some want the entertainment and resources, we offer.  For all these people The 2811 Club brings great value, and for these reasons the medication they receive is in fact FREE.  For those that just want  to cop a bag of weed, I suggest you look elsewhere.

Allan Sobol
Allan Sobol

Hey everyone please understand that we are NOT selling Marijuana.  The fee that you are paying ( $75.00) is to become a member of the 2811 club.  This is a geniune club with lots of value packed benefits, including the extensive educational services which are included in the membership fee.    Truly, The Marijuana has nothing to do with the membership fee. We have donated space in our club  to the not for profit organization called   Arizona Compassion Association,  which is a newly formed group of patients and caregivers who  in response the Governors legal action, has decided to distribute their excess marijuana to  qualifed patients FOR FREE.  Any of you that know me also know that I always promote full compliance with the law.  I assure you ,you will get your monies worth from the club membership, therefore you will be getting the marijuana for FREE.Feel free to contact me directly with your questions, seed2success@gmail.com.  And  thanks Ray for a job well done.   ALLAN  SOBOL 

shadeaux14
shadeaux14

Yeah,it was cheaper but also much less potent. Some of the strains going around now are ALMOST as good as Mekong Mindfuck which we got from the local mama-san for 10 bucks a pound.

Ray Stern
Ray Stern

Eighth of an ounce. Sorry -- I did have "eighth" in there at first, but must have taken it out accidentally. I've fixed that first sentence now.

Mistalee
Mistalee

The PC term would be medical cannabis. "Marijuana" was a term popularized by A-hole Anslinger and others in order to associate it with Mexicans and Blacks during the cannabis prohibition campaign. 

Ray Stern
Ray Stern

Lazy-ass journalism, my lazy ass, Michelle. Pot is a perfectly good word and one of the great synonyms for marijuana, which itself is a word whose origins are still debated: http://www.sino-platonic.org/c...

It's not always necessary or desirable to use the adjective "medical" before "marijuana," either, depending on the context.

Also, your link to the Cannabis Cafe doesn't work because of a extra character. Here's a working link:

http://www.worldfamouscannabis...

Rob
Rob

I think the AZCS Ceo has been very nice here not blowing this guys place up. 75 dollars to show up and get an eight for free. People you can get the same services same comraderie same instruction same safe place to go at sane and compassionate prices. Shame on you Mr Sobol.  AZCS and ACC are doing things at much cheaper prices.

Shanna Weishaar
Shanna Weishaar

I have been in. sales ....I understand what your doing a fee maybe about 45 ...resonable anything over is plain being greedy and not compassion at all......

Shanna Weishaar
Shanna Weishaar

your clubs sucks if u do the math al......its 75 an 8th for your club not only that you cant smoke in. there and....you cant come back once you leave ......everyboby wants to smoke when they get there medicines good luck count me out .....

Shane
Shane

Cmon, Allan

We know that the law forces patients to play these kind of semantic games in order to get legal meds, but you are not fooling anbody with your "value packed benefits".  If the patients could no longer get their "free" meds, how many would continue to pay the $75 fee?

J Curwen
J Curwen

$75 an eighth? On the black market it's around $35 - $50 for that much. Looks like Al has an eye for cashing in.

Azgogreencoop
Azgogreencoop

Should check out az go green they have a compassion club called liberty cc any where from 50 to 75 12 kinds Mercouri hash oils hash you name it they doing it over there in Tempe 426 east southern with the Kushan doc from Cali hit them up 480-427-4694

Chadtee69
Chadtee69

West valley Meds offers 45 dollar eighth after a 4.20 membership fee, and has all the benefits of your club....but free...hmm...the difference in clubs is 1 wants to get rich....the other wants to help patience...they are the best club I've found..and they are on Craigslist...and deliver....

Allan Sobol
Allan Sobol

Since October 2010  we have been offering various classes and charging from $99-300.00 per class.   Paying $75.00 to get similar classes sounds like a good deal, especially when you take into consideration all the other benefits that are included in the membership package. This is a real club with real benefits.  The marijuana is a free!!!

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