Tom Horne Promotes Video by Raza Studies Supporter, Decries "Thuggish Behavior" of Crowd

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Tom Horne grins as ethnic studies supporters yell at him in a new YouTube video.

A news release this morning from state Attorney General Tom Horne states that his office released a video of Raza studies supporters this morning.


That statement's not correct. And that's just the first weird aspect of many surrounding this story.


If you'll follow the link to the video in the news release, (printed below), you'll see that it was actually "released" by a YouTube site operated by David Morales, a mathematician from the University of Arizona who writes (or helps write) a blog called "Three Sonorans."


Morales titled his video "Tom Horne gets called out by Latino students," and peppered it with quotes and music that show he thought the demonstration was a success.


Unfortunately for Morales, Horne isn't that far off: The demonstrators did seem to have a "mob" feel, judging by the video.

The vid shows demonstrators shouting at Horne, as Horne says it does. Nobody is going to stand around while being yelled at like that. The crowd clearly didn't care if Horne had anything to say -- they just wanted to vent on him.

No members of the crowd touched Horne or tried to intimidate him physicially. But they weren't respectful, either. Morales shouldn't fool himself into thinking this video will cause reasonable Arizonans to embrace his cause.

Morales also states in a blog post that he wrote after shooting the video that people in the crowd were "undocumented:"

Rather than what usually happens, minorities running away from the law enforcement even if nothing wrong was done, everyone converged on Tom Horne.

Undocumented... UNAFRAID!!!

Our gut feeling is that most of the demonstrators in the video were not illegal immigrants. But if they were -- that's just weird and hypocritical. The country you fled to is oppressing you because you or your children can't take Raza Studies at the public high school? Uh-huh.

But Tom Horne comes off looking bad, too -- and one reason is that silly grin on his face while he's being called a racist. What's so frickin' funny? The smile appears to be a provocation -- it seems to be a patronizing expression. I don't have to take this seriously, the smile seems to say.

Then, in the news release, Horne claims that, "The Raza Studies program teaches irrational mob behavior as a matter of habit."

Doug Nick, Horne's spokesman, admits that Horne is just assuming that. Nobody has evidence that "irrational mob behavior" is really taught in the classes banned by the law Horne helped push.

Nick says other examples of the behavior of Raza Studies students seems to indicate they're being taught not just to demonstrate, but to disrespect. Students turned their back on Garcia Dugan, an assistant to Horne while he was state schools superintendent, when she came to Tucson to chat with them, he says.

We continue to be concerned about the scant evidence of what has actually been taught in the Raza Studies classes. Nick says some hard evidence exists, but he can't release it. He encouraged us to call John Huppenthal, the new state schools superintendent, who could authorize the release of the evidence. We'll do that and let you know what happens.

In the meantime, we're more than a little confused over this entire debate. Students in Tucson should be able to take classes that cover the history of the region fairly, and if that means the curriculum leans toward Hispanics, when they make up a large proportion of the school, so be it. But we wouldn't want to see taxpayer dollars help extremists teach Arizona kids that America is oppressing them.

Without knowing all the facts, it's tough to make an informed decision.

We do know, though, that screaming crowds and the sometimes-mindless rhetoric of our new state attorney general don't help matters.

Horne's news release follows:

RAZA STUDIES SUPPORTERS, IN A THUGGISH MOB,

TRIED TO SHOUT DOWN ATTORNEY GENERAL HORNE

PHOENIX (Thursday March 17, 2011) -- Attorney General Tom Horne today released a video of a screaming mob of Raza Studies supporters who interfered with the Attorney General's efforts to accommodate a request to be interviewed by a television news crew.

In the video below, viewers can see a thuggish mob of Raza Studies supporters trying to shout down Horne, to attempt to prevent an interview with Univision Television.

Horne was in the process of leaving the Capitol after a meeting, when a reporter from Univision Televsion asked him to return to where his cameraman was, so he could do an interview in Spanish, as frequently does for Spanish-language media. A thuggish mob of Raza Studies reporters surrounded them and tried to prevent the interview, screaming at the top of their lungs. When the interview was over, Horne walked to his car, still surrounded by the mob, screaming vulgar epithets.

Horne said, "The Raza Studies program teaches irrational mob behavior as a matter of habit. For example, they did a street play called 'the killing of Tom Horne' which was filmed by channels 4 and 9 in Tucson, and broadcast."

For a YouTube video (not produced by this office) of Attorney General's Horne encounter this week go to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu3UW_Cw1-8.



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41 comments
DA Morales
DA Morales

Actually, I refer to the people in the crowd as minorities. The phrase "undocumented... unafraid" is a popular chant used during the DREAM Act rallies last year that still arises.

I guess I have a lot of code language for activists, but then again I didn't know the video, or audio of it, would make it to NPR :)

Ray Stern
Ray Stern

Thanks for clearing that up, Three Sonorans. But if they weren't undocumented, why bring it up at all?

Ms Terasa
Ms Terasa

If I was him I would keep on walking and smiling just like he did. When placed in a situation with hostile and thug behavior the best that can be done is to walk away to ensure that the situation does not escalate. He ensure that the situation did not escalate into violance. He was lso being escorted by police to his car so it seems as if the event could have easily gotten out of hand.

b4justice
b4justice

"Thuggish behavior" No, absolutely not. What I saw was a people that have found their voice in defense and in response to the deplorable, degrading, racist manner we have been treated. Yes, we have found our voice we will no longer sit in silence. Problem with some folks is they can't stand a Mesican that does not stand by and show 'respect' and bow down for the master. In fact It astounds me that our people especially our youth have shown as much restraint as they have. We will speak up, we will not be silent, get use to it. Hedy Trevino

XSoldier
XSoldier

WAH!!! I'm an illegal and I deserve special treatment because I snuck my brown ass into your country, mooched off taxpayers for support, and now you wanna give my brown ass the boot?

AG Horne had the right to address the TV crews. Just like La Raza had the right to protest.

Makes me glad that I supported Rotellini. If I had to support a Republican, it would be Horne.

If memory serves me correctly, weren't we all wishing Horne would make it past Candy Ass Thomas in the primary? When Thomas lost, and Horne was the Republican candidate, you people all voted for him and now here he is AG and you complain that he's blocking some useless Hispanic group from face time on the idiot box? Grow up people. You elected Mr. Horne, you live with your decision to vote him into office.

Pit Boss
Pit Boss

I'm not a republican so I didn't vote in that primary, but Andrew Thomas vs. Tom Horne? As an informed voter and reader of New Times, among many other pubs, would there really be a choice between an ubercorrupt county attorney and school supervisor who made few waves until the end of his term?

For the right-leaners you may have had a point, since Thomas did Arpaio's bidding and he was rarely persecuted for his immoral/illegal/unethical actions in the local media, which is why the race was fairly close.

BTW, if these people were illegals, that would be one thing. But if these are citizens I have no issue with their behavior.

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guest
guest

omg! this is appalling! don't mexicans teach their children any manners? if they had paid any attention at all, they'd have at least picked up on the civilized, 1st world concept of not biting the hand that feeds them.

Pit Boss
Pit Boss

I believe they did pick up on the free world concept of freedom of speech. And you assume they're all taking handouts. Why, because they're Mexicans?

Yeah, no racism there at all. Tool.

Veronica Jones
Veronica Jones

Another racist idiot! Why dont you fools go find your own little island with no way off. America does not need people like you!

Jose Morales
Jose Morales

Veronica Jones, there you go again...when someone disagrees with you and has something intelligent to say you go right to the race card.....sad and pathetic!!

Annie01
Annie01

intelligent?, you must be jocking mojado!!!

Veronica Jones
Veronica Jones

Are you dense Jose? I mean really! This person is generalizing Mexicans by saying they have no manners and are not civilized! What is wrong with you? That is pretty racist to me! Again, I am doubting you are even Latino.

Pit Boss
Pit Boss

Please re-read what "guest" wrote, Jose. If you consider that intelligent it's time to get that education you've been putting off.

Assuming you're Mexican, he/she just basically assumed you're on welfare and have no manners because your parents didn't teach them to you. But yeah, very intelligent, non-racist post.

RMed
RMed

Judging from the amount of racist, skewed and outright false information that has virtually flown out of Horne's mouth, he's lucky he wasn't accosted by a REAL "mob". What a baby; this is a crowd of betrayed, angry and obviously disgusted constituents calling this liar on his history of racism and lies. And frankly, if he can't take it, then he should abandon his role as agitator. One doesn't expect agreement or a polite tea setting when one has lied about and discriminated against whole groups of people. It's simply unrealistic.

These people were very accurate in their assessment of Horned as "racist", "liar", and it seems that only someone of his ilk would be offended by their call for "Education". Congratulations to all of those who confronted Horne, and on your willingness to stand up for the truth and against his tyranny.

As for the information contained in this post? Meh...same old, same old. If you are going to sympathize with a racist, it's no wonder you are calling this a "mob". LOL!

Helen Reyes
Helen Reyes

RMed,

Mr. Horne is doing the Hispanic people a favor, if you think that a focus on ethnic Hispanic studies helps immigrants in this country you are simply naive and probably do not have very high level occupation. This has nothing to do with racism, I don't remember during my education in this country classes in Irish, English, Italian, Swedish, Portugese, Spanish studies etc. I do remember the importance of American history and English and these skills helped me in the future. I do see an importance for ethnic Hispanic studies in Mexico...I'm sure they are not teaching American ethnic studies there. You should thank Mr. Horne because eliminating ethnic studies will help students in the future with their career aspirations. Disagreement is not racism.

RMed
RMed

Disagreement is not racism, you're right. But Horne's form of critique in calling out this curriculum is indeed racist. You may not remember your formative years in education being marked by "classes" you describe, but I remember mine being marked by erroneous, biased and eurocentric teaching. Particularly when it came to history.

Please state the basis for your certainty that "American ethnic studies" are not covered in Mexico? Do you live there? I know people who have been educated there, and I know your opinion is not an informed one.

I should "thank" Horne? Whatever for? He spreads lies about my culture, he lies about our leaders and he's repeatedly lied about what is and isn't in this coursework! I don't "thank" liars, nor should anyone else! It's a shame you would suggest such a thing!

Pit Boss
Pit Boss

You can major in American studies, Asian, European, African, etc. in just about every college in America. Most high schools in areas where nativism isn't prevalent have courses in high school and earlier for ethnic studies as well.

Horne is just another in a large group of elected officials in this state (all republicans it seems) that spread fear for political gain. When you ban ethnic studies by "certain" ethnic groups there is an obvious problem; and it's not a far stretch to assume it's based in racism.

We should be more worried about the people in Colorado City, who teach their youth that polygamy and child rape is a necessary part of life if you want to go to heaven. I wouldn't be shocked to know that they teach anti-Government sentiment as well, considering they feel persecuted by the U.S. government for their disgusting and illegal practices. Sound familiar?

You'll never hear much about them because a good portion of the state legislature and other high-ranking politicians here are loyal to their cause.

Veronica Jones
Veronica Jones

Hispanic history IS part of American history. Lame!

Jack gordon
Jack gordon

La Raza you are not helping your people with this stuff, teaching kids and misguided immigrants that ethnic studies is important and distinguishing that you are different from other Americans will only make it harder in the future to be successful in the US. You should take a hard look at successful Hispanics in this country and you will see that they considered themselves Americans first and assimilated to the US culture. Kids......please do not follow these people as they will certainly lead you down a path to failure. If you want to succeed in this country learn English, study hard, acquire skills, be a good citizen, love America and stop believing the lies that those that disagree with you are racists. We welcome all people in this country that embrace American values.

Veronica Jones
Veronica Jones

What exactly is "US culture" anyway? White culture of what? America is the melting pot and always has been. There are many cultures here. That is what makes us great!

What makes you think the kids do not know English? Stupidity!

And for any of you not wanting Latino ethinic studies. Do you think Native American history and/or black history should be banned too? Your white anglo history is NOT the only history the USA has. Get over it!

Democracy in motion!!
Democracy in motion!!

Tom Horne, It's called freedom of speech - deal with it!!! These students have as much right to hold you accountable as anyone else in Arizona. They were chanting "Don't Hate, Educate" Nothing thuggish or wrong with that. I fully support them!

Truth08
Truth08

Sterns your full of crap.

You wrote..."Unfortunately for Morales, Horne isn't that far off: The demonstrators did seem to have a "mob" feel, judging by the video...."

They are exercising their first amendment rights. There is no "Mob" look or feel to that crowd.

You look at Pearce's bully cronies, and then you see the 'Thug' like mob..

Really man, what is wrong with you and James King lately..? You both are sounding off like a couple of crybaby Tea-baggers.

Ethnic Studies should be taught to those who wish to learn their respective cultures. The Chicano Studies program does just that.

Horne is nothing more that a racist bigot. Don't coddle his behavior Stern..

I would never have expected a right wing biased blog coming from you.. You sure you don't work for Sonoran Alliance now..?

Regards,Truth

Ray Stern
Ray Stern

I think the issue is more complicated than you make it out to be. As I mentioned, I don't know for sure what was taught in those classes, and it's a no-brainer that the Republican Horne used this issue to help get elected. But it's apparently a fact that some of the classes used the book: Occupied America by California activist-historian Rudy Acuna.

According to a 4-star review on Amazon.com of the book: "The author, in his extensive research, pulls up countless accounts of slaughter, rape, torture, mutilation, and abuse of mexican men, women, children, mostly incited as a sort of blood sport by American cavalry, enlisted men, volunteers, and associates, as well as the leveling of Mexican cities and towns just for target practice."

In published interviews, Acuna claimed that the title of the book referred to the takeover of the Americas as a whole by Europeans, not the conquest of the American Southwest. That may be true, but in an excerpt from the book published online, (see http://books.google.com/books?..., Acuna writes that "As a result of the Texas War and the Anglo-American aggressions of 1845-1848, the occupation of Chicano territory began, and colonization started to take form."

Anonymous Truth, that doesn't sound like simply learning about "respective cultures."

Veronica Jones
Veronica Jones

So, Stern..we should sweep history under the rug? Kind of like the way we did with the Native Americans and pretend we just had a great Thanksgiving feast? Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it. This class is important....to all.

Ray Stern
Ray Stern

Veronica and Anonymous Truth -- Activist history is not balanced history. You don't have a monopoly on "true history" anymore than a Chicano studies teacher or standard American history teacher. Hey, here's an idea: Instead of countering the bullshit in standard history classes with activist bullshit, how about adjusting the curriculum so that a more accurate version of history is taught to everyone. Or do you believe that two wrongs make a right?

Veronica Jones
Veronica Jones

Stern, where are you getting your info that determined it to not be "balanced"? Be more specific as well, please.

Truth08
Truth08

Balanced to suit who's need Sterns..? The Tea Parties..? Yours..?

Or those who volunteer or choose to want to learn it..?

Really man, you do sound like you have had your lunch handed to you..?

Where is this coming from..?

Balanced, would be if they taught "true" history to all Americans.. But they don't..

You turn into a Tea-Bagger after last nights hate bills were voted down Sterns..?

Its all good, just let us know. You know come out the closet and make it public.. This way The Village Voice Media owners can see it as well.

Regards,Truth

Ray Stern
Ray Stern

Veronica and Anonymous Truth: Nobody enjoys history more than I do, and I don't sweep history or current events under any rug. Sorry, but I won't meet your demands for partisan rhetoric to counterbalance the conservative blog sites. As far as the "history" reported to have been taught in those classes, it doesn't sound balanced.

Truth08
Truth08

Sterns, If American History was taught with its "true" sense. It would also include rape, murder, and the constant barrage on the Native Americans and conquest of their lands. ..No..?

It doesn't, though why doesn't it..?

It is in fact what occurred..?..No..?

Why is it ok to teach (or force) to learn their "respective cultures" when it has to do with European Conquest of the America's? Yet not ok to teach Indigenous peoples their own history, if they elect to want to learn it.. Sterns..?

I agree with your point that the bigot Horne used your example, as his agenda to take down Chicano Studies, but it does not make it right.

This is still beyond the point I brought up, about you condoning Horne and his stance in your blog..?

Who are you writing for..? If I wanted a Sonoran Alliance or FOX News prospective I would go to their respective right-wing News outlets.. You are the counter balance to them. Yet, here I can't tell..?

Who's side are you on Sterns? I have been posting here for years, and I have not seen you post such wingnutty full of crap publication..? I can see J.King doing so, as he took the spot vacated by Sarah Fenske, he is new and does not know any better..? But really Sterns, how can you take a position on siding with the bigot Horne, and his lies about the "thuggish mob"..?

Where are you coming from man..?

I now see clearly why, and know why you and Lemons had that 'tiff' on the gun control issue not to long ago..

Damn man, you do realize those that filled your shoes like Lacey and Larken, have opposed the hate in Az to an extent on getting themselves thrown in the clink.. You don't need to give the 'hate' anymore ammo on you posts.., trust me Sterns they have enough "hate" agenda publications to fill those shoes without you.

Please from here on out, just call the Tucson Citizen or Three Sonorans (Morales), I bet you would have no problem getting a hold of them and getting their prospective.. This is all I ask, as an 'old schooler' long time blog poster. Keep an open mind as well Sterns, you never know, Chicano Studies may be something you may want to learn about..? You think..?

Regards,Truth

guest
guest

"you're" full of crap, not "your" full of crap.you'd know that if you had spent less time in mexican class and more time in english class.

Veronica Jones
Veronica Jones

Grow up, is that the best come back you have?

High five, Truth!

StopThisMadness
StopThisMadness

Yes, Heaven forbid that everyone isn't "lock step" with your thinking, huh? Everyone else is just a "racist bigot". Sickening.

StopThisMadness
StopThisMadness

There's nothing like the "oppressed" La Raza freaks. It's like a giant pity party that never ends. I believe they actually enjoy wallowing in self pity. No real plan, just a lot of screaming and demanding. These studies were rightfully tossed out after the ex-teacher blew the whistle on them. The Arizona Republic just wrote up a story last week about how the TUSD had THEIR OWN people evaluate the outlandish claims made by La Raza supporters of high graduation rates and such.....BUSTED.....fabricated BS according to the TUSD. These malcontents should join the rest of America or try screaming at the Mexican government for what you want. Let's see how far that gets you.

Johnny White Man
Johnny White Man

LOL...what kind of little car is that Mr. Horne was driving in?

Jose Morales
Jose Morales

Boy that is sad, the special interest pro amnesty crowd is at it again, La Raza is the most divisive group out there. Instead of helping Hispanics learn English and assimilate like other immigrants they brainwash followers to stomp their feet and scream stupid slogans. Ethnic studies are a joke and will not help immigrants prosper in the United States, the only reason they have it is because it is the only class some can pass! If you want to live here then act like an American and assimilate, if not take your sorry ass back to Mexico we don't want you here. Good job Mr. Horne, keep up the good work.

Veronica Jones
Veronica Jones

Before 1890's Italians, Polish,Russians, Jews, Italians and Chinese, and so on arrived on our shores with no knowledge of English. The same racist nonsense that is going on today was done to them back then. Four million Italians and three million Slavs arrived during that time. More than two million Jews also emigrated to the US. These people were poor and illiterate. They could not read or write in their own language, much less in English. By blaming immigrants for all the problems in their cities, politicians hoped to easily win election to office. Same crap as today!The media, which has always been the main conduct of anti-immigrant propaganda, proclaimed:

"These people are not Americans, but the very scum and offal of Europe." They also claimed they refused to assimilate.

Same nonsense, different time. I very much disagree that LaRaza is the most divisive group. Maybe you think that because of the way you talk about them? You show respect, you get it in return. I have hundreds of Latino friends that all know I am white, and they are the most kind and sweet people. Including all the ones who protest right there!

And Jose...I seriously doubt that is your real name at all! If it is you are pretty freaking pathetic to talk about your own people like that, and assuming they are dumb.

Ms terasa
Ms terasa

Might want to check out the history of Horne he is an immigrant Jew himself. This is not the same nonsense and a different time. Many of the early immigrants had to also go through a process to come to the US and not all were allowed entrance just because they sailed across the ocean.

Jose Morales
Jose Morales

Veronica,

Yes it is hard to believe that a US born citizen with Hispanic parents can feel this way but the truth hurts sometimes. Jose Morales is my real name and when I think of "my people" I think of the American people not just Hispanic. I want to see all immigrants succeed in this country and this type of thinking only makes it more difficult. You said you are white and I am surprised that you cannot see that groups like La Raza are not helping the Hispanic people. How does putting a focus on being Hispanic first and American second help one in this country?

RMed
RMed

Jose, you have the right to self-identify in any way you choose. But the fact that you are publicly decrying the rights of others to do the same speaks volumes, especially as you label them with the term: "divisive". Immigrants do not succeed when their own buy into a dominant culture which sells them down the river, and if you haven't learned this by now, then perhaps it's best that you just keep right on calling yourself what Nixon called you: "Hispanic".

Veronica Jones
Veronica Jones

Sorry, you can not wash off what you are. No matter what you are still Mexican American, Irish American , African American and so on. You can still be Hispanic/Latino and still be American. Your statement is absurd.Well, you must be one of the self haters, how sad for you.You know nothing about LaRaza obviously.

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