Border Agents Busting Illegal Immigrants Heading South; "Consequences" Replace Waves Goodbye

• Really...you think this is working? My husband has a a cousin that was leaving Arizona to go back to Mexico on the bus. Immigration officers came on the bus demanded papers and removed anyone who was illegal. That was Saturday. This is Wednesday....he is not even processed yet and they said it would take at least 4-5 weeks to deport him even if he signed the voluntary departure to return to Mexico. It would have costed a lot less if they had booked him at the border and walked him across. He was at the line across from Nogales. His mother was waiting for him in Mexico at the bus stop. Now American citizens will be paying for his food, clothing, and medical care for a month unless it gets pushed back longer. Wow...sounds like this was a great idea! Tell them to leave and when they go say "just kidding" we are keeping you here.

• This to inform you of a person living and working in the United States illegally. The names that this person assumes are as follows: Gabriela Sanchez (her niece), Karla P. Durazo (her aunt), Patty Durazo (her sister),Julieta Sanchez (her aunt), Patty Sanchez (her sister/her niece) Rocio Sanchez (her sister), Mayra Viramontes (her cousin), Karen Durazo (her cousin),Kenya Durazo (hercousin), Karina Sanchez (her cousin). All of the names assumed by her can be substantiated through her facebook account which is under the name Gabby Sanchez. Her Employer is: Dr. Larry Stark   3201 W. Peoria Ave # A-100   Phoenix, AZ 85029 Her assumed Social Security # is her Aunt's Soc. Sec. # 611-32-7757 (Karla P. Durazo) who actually lives in California. She drives a pathfinder with AZ lic. # AHT4587  Her address is: 2220 W. Mission Ln. #1095 (which is in Larry Starks name /  Phoenix, AZ 85017    co-signed for)   SRP Acct # 919-863-000    (which is in Larry Starks name) Her Phone # 602-628-3116   (which is in Larry Starks name) Family Assistance Administration Case # 00564738 (Gabriela Sanchez)Dental work provided under the name Patty Sanchez. And full medical (BCBS)is paid for by Larry Stark Her sons name is Carlos Flores-Sanchez and he graduated from Cortez High School.She was raised by her Grandmother who was a whore in Mexico. This young woman makes it easier for other illegals to obtain medications includingnarcotics and evade citizenship tests through the Doctors office that she works in.Also supplying them with false identification and documentation. I am very concerned about the illegal activities (Document Fraud, Identity Theft, Conducting crimes in America) that she is involved in. Please address the above issues as soon as possible. Concerned Citizen 

• you and the rest of the idiots out there should just let them go if they want to its just r goverment wants to clock dollars and then let them go why not spend that money on something worth while tell me how many of them were dangerous can anyone tell me 

• Tagging them? More like BRUTALLY BEATING THEM ALMOST TO DEATH!

• No. My dad was a cop and I treat cops with respect. If I get caught speeding I am embarrassed and chagrined. Try another argument.

• The message I would hear if I was an illegal immigrant thinking about going back to Mexico is that I risk getting arrested. If you take off your ideological rose-colored glasses, you might see that this (aggressively arresting people trying to leave the country) is one of those issues that is complex. The problem with political discourse today is that everything is black or white to the ideologues. In the real world, things are more gray- like this situation. You can be against illegal immigration, like me, and still think that maybe installing barriers to departure might be a practical deterrent to the objective of promoting departure of illegal aliens. I understand how arresting someone illegally here who is on their way out can make it harder for that particular person to come back again (legally) but I question the wisdom and efficacy of the policy as it relates to others who are still here and in terms of resources.

• I don't get my news from one source, let alone just from an opinion blog. (Not that NT bloggers don't work hard to fact check). I got the $2000 figure from two other news outlets.

• They get jail time for crossing after we have deported them. Then it is a crime in Federal law and/or interpretation by the immigration courts.

• Like not being cited for driving 80 in a 55mph zone, it's only a federal 'crime' if aliens are prosecuted for crossing illegally. Most aren't prosecuted. Instead, they are administratively removed. Border agents are doing the right thing by capturing that removal on record. It would be extremely difficult for illegals to legally cross the border with that adminsitrative charge over their heads. It won't stop them from entering illegally again, but the prior record makes it easier for feds to state their case for deportation. Then violation of a deportation order results in incarceration and permanent ban. And border agents can't order deportation. That order is typically rendered by an immigration judge.

• BULLSHIT

• You are the cancer.

• Amazing, first they want to deport them, not hey want to fuck with them when their leaving. Amazing. Talk about having your head up your ass....Nice job Border Patrol, fucking idiots.

• ATTENTION TO ALL CITIZENS: Stop complaining about the illegal aliens issue and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. Join the Revolution on Nov. 2012 and vote for politicians that are against illegal immigration and in favor of the American Citizens. And that is how this cancer will be cured.

• This illegal immigrant bullshit is a farce. The federal criminal government has no intention of protecting the border. It's a show and a distraction for the outraged gung ho patriots who get their asses up in the air and shout at others about how stupid they are and how important it is to put illegals in jail to teach them a lesson. Let's give more aid to the Mexican government so they can piss it away by buying more hookers, yahts or whatever the fuck they do with it just like our shit bag government does with our money. Have you seen any manufacturing jobs created in this country lately? Do you fucking care or do you just want to shout about the illegals and how we should take every last dime they have just like our leaders do to us? Oh, my. I hope I didn't upset anyone.

• Please read the article again. They did not say it cost $2000 per person to do this, but that they confiscated the $2000 the 4 illegals earned running drugs into the US before releasing them

• I'll bet AZGregory is one of those Aholes who shouts at the cops, "Why did you stop me for speeding? You're wasting time and resources that could be spent on catching the REAL criminals!"

• Its only $2,000 if they contest the deportation and demand to see a judge, which is actually rare, especially if they are within sight of Mexico. First off, by deporting them you make them ineligible for re-entry for a minimum of 5 years for any reason. This makes them ineligible for any future amnesty during those 5 years. If they re-enter, that time is upgraded to 20 years, again making them ineligible even if there was a blanket amnesty for that alloted time. As the article states, only a little over 5,000 have even been caught doing southbound operations over the few years its been going on. Thats a drop in the bucket. Hardly the massive manpower problem you make it out to be. The message it sends, and the mere fact that we are actually enforcing what is a criminal act under Federal law (Yes, its even prosecutable if they've been here for less than 5 years) is good.

• If you are spending 2-3 hrs. processing someone who is voluntarily leaving for having come here illegally, you are taking a couple of agents away from the job of checking people leaving for contraband or checking people coming in. We obviously don't have unlimited resources. I am guessing it is more than 2-3 hrs since the story estimated the cost at $2000 apiece.

• I am no economist but does it make sense to spend a couple thousand dollars per person (estimated amount for each person arrested trying to leave the country) to arrest the people doing what we want them to do? We don't have enough $$ to protect our border as well as we could (the border stopping people from coming here not leaving) and we spend that money on stopping them on the way out? Don't think that is a good use of limited resources.

• I am no psychologist but it occurs to me that if you want to encourage someone to do something (say leave the country), it is not a good idea to make it harder for them to do that. Theoretically, you want to make it as easy as possible for the person to do the thing you want them to do (leave). Am I the only one who thinks it might just discourage people from leaving if they are going to get arrested and put in jail on their way out?

• Are you serious?!? 8 USC 1325 makes it.a federal crime to cross the border illegally. Whether by deceiving a customs officer or sneaking across the border. It is not a civil violation, it is a full fledged crime. You can go to jail and/or be fined. How else do you think illegals are getting jail time for crossing illegally?? It's called Operation Streamline and the Border Patrol had been doing it for some time, especially in Yuma.

• Good. Sack them up and issue a formal deportation on them, which by the way takes all of two to three hours. That way we can prosecute them for the more serious crime of illegal re-entry after deportation (8 USC 1326) which carries a bigger penalty than simply charging them with illegal entry (8 USC 1325).

• OK, I can almost see detaining them long enough to determine whether or not they are fleeing some hideous crime scene they were involved in. But expending expensive resources in an effort to do nothing else but bump up the numbers is assinine. So this Brian Levin idiot intends to retroactively impose punishment for a non-crime like being in the country uninvited. The four morons who admitted to smuggling dope into the USA, yes, they deserve to lose their cash... not for smuggling drugs, our own government has been bringing drugs into this country with impunity for the last 35 years... but for being stupid enough to admit what they were doing. REMEMBER: A felony ain't a felony until you get caught doing it. And I 100% agree with Mr. Sterns, that while these federal yokels are tying up the process by documenting folks leaving the country, which is the paramount intention of this border stupidity, there's no one yelling at the ones who are still coming in. HOWEVER... according to a front page story in AZ Republic a couple of days back, a whole shitload of assault weapons seem to have found their way into the hands of the Mexican drug cartels because of the incompetence of the assholes who are supposed to be preventing that from happening. Or was it really an accident of incompetence ??? Or was it more like an accident of convenient funds acquisition for our good old patriotic border guards ??? You make the call.

• This story was reported by Stephen Lemons in his article 10-21-10 titled: Grinding Justice: Why didn't Ray Stern cite his own colleague - When the reporters at other media outlets put out a breathless article and act like they just came upon a breaking story they get a little jab from New Times. In this case, this storyy was five months old - what gives Ray? Come on, cite to the original story and let people know Mr. Lemons' article may have been used as source materials by Fronteras (AGAIN without attribution). Surprisingly, two of the 23 defendants before Judge Irwin were heading back to Mexico when the Border Patrol arrested them. Johnson says he's been seeing more and more of such cases. Shuttles departing from Phoenix and heading for the border at San Luis, Arizona, are either stopped by Border Patrol agents before they make their destination or checked for undocumented aliens once they've arrived. "A good percentage of our clients are arrested heading back into Mexico," Johnson says. "The Border Patrol and Customs have what they call 'southbound operations.' "You hear people complaining that taxpayer dollars are going to arrest these people and to process them," he says. "But if we're arresting people that were footsteps away from Mexico, that argument doesn't carry much weight." Border Patrol's Yuma sector spokesman acknowledged that the agency conducts southbound ops. He says he can't say how many illegal aliens are apprehended as they are returning to Mexico. "Well, at one point they entered," says Quillin, slyly. "So, no, we don't treat anybody different. When we approach individuals, and they say they're going back to Mexico, we just make sure that they do." But Johnson ascribes a more insidious Border Patrol motive to its agents busting shuttles headed for Mexico. "They're boosting [the Border Patrol's apprehension] numbers," says Johnson, "by arresting the people going southbound."

• So far, it is not a Federal crime to enter the U.S. illegally from Mexico or to stay in the U.S. illegally. It is simply a civil violation of Federal law. However, once deported, unauthorized re-entry into the U.S. is a Federal crime. I think that catching them on they way out, even if 10 ft from the border is a good thing, because there is a deportation on record at that point and any further unauthorized presence in the U.S. is criminal.

• <b><i>"We'll enroll them in our system so we have a record of the fact that they were here illegally," Levin says. "Then, yes, we send them off to Mexico."</b></i> I have no problem with this as this statement puts it. If they are putting them on the radar for further visits and then sending them out of the country, that's fine. Yes, we do need to know who the repeat offenders are, so that we can BOLO for these same people. Now, if they were detaining them and making them go through a bunch of BS just to drop them back where they were headed anyway, I'd have a problem with that. It sounds like border enforcement is pretty thin, we need to ficus on the people coming in, not out... Also, if they're just doing this to inflate their numbers so they can scream 'The sky is falling!', that's different, too. Like I said though, if they are just adding to the database and then sending them across the border and letting Mexico deal with them, that's fine by me.

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