Fully-Auto Vs. Semi-Auto: The Dividing Line in Gun Control

 

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​There isn't much difference between a fully automatic M-16 machine gun and the semi-automatic AR-15 rifle, both of which are readily available for sale in Arizona.

Both shoot the same, high-powered .223-caliber ammo and can be loaded with large-capacity magazines of 30 rounds or more. Except for different internal workings that allow the fully auto mode in the M-16, they're the same gun.

The semi-automatic version isn't much less lethal, either -- that much is made clear by the Army's decision to use M-16s that fire semi-automatically in up to three-round bursts, rather than full-autos. Semi-auto fire can be more accurate than "spraying," the Army found.

The biggest difference, by far, is in the laws that apply to them.

The full-auto requires federal registration of the weapon, a $200 fee, fingerprinting and intensive background check. The turnaround time between applying for the license and buying the weapon runs from about 90 to 120 days.

 

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The machine-gun owner must notify the Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms bureau in writing if he or she changes residences, and the firearm can't be sold privately. The ATF suggests carrying a carbon-copy of the machine gun registration at all times when transporting it to the shooting range or anywhere else.

On the other hand, the average customer could walk out of a Valley sporting goods store with the semi-automatic AR-15 in an hour or less. No license or registration is needed, though the buyer's name is run through a national database designed to block sales to convicted felons and the seriously mentally ill.

Thomas Mangan, ATF spokesman, says he's not aware of any federally licensed machine gun being used to commit a crime.

This lends support to the notion that strict gun control laws can prevent violent crimes.

Yet similar restrictions on semi-automatic weapons would clearly have a major effect on the firearms industry, firearms buyers and the right to bear arms.

One reason fully automatic weapons don't get used in crimes is because restrictions have taken them out of the hands of all but a few rich people. The only machine guns that can be sold legally to civilians in the United States were made before 1986. About 125,000 "transferable" full-autos exist in the country, Mangan says.

Naturally, the limited supply means a way jacked-up price: At one Scottsdale gun store we called, the cost of a fully-automatic M-16 was about $15,000.

The registration fee -- as minimal as it compared to the overall price of the weapon -- also seems to affect purchases, Mangan says. When ATF raised the fee, it saw a drop-off in the number of licenses purchased. [Clarification: A reader pointed out that Mangan's referring to a hike in the fee for a federal firearms license, which isn't required to buy a machine gun. The fee for the tax stamp for machine guns, the reader says, hasn't changed in years.) 

There are plenty of people with the means to buy an expensive toy like that, of course. Mangan estimates that an average of at least one machine gun a day is sold in Arizona. He's trying to obtain more precise stats for us.

A quick Google search shows AR-15s are on sale at one local store for as low as $769.

We think this comparison brings up some great questions: Is it logical to have such a dramatic difference in the law for such a relatively minor difference in a feature of guns? Are the requirements for machine guns too strict?

Or should AR-15 buyers (or, by extension, buyers of any high-powered, semi-automatic guns with high-capacity magazines) be held to the same high standards as M-16 buyers?

 

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beccab47
beccab47

Inaccurate nonsense. Another writer with a personal agenda no backed by facts.

maxonepercent
maxonepercent

The problem with classifying "semi-automatic rifles" is that almost all rifles are semi-automatic!  Due to the massive number of these weapons the assault weapons ban of 1996 had to list 18 specific models to ban, the others were still perfectly legal.  I can understand the average person's reaction toward control in light of these kind of tragedies, but the unfortunate reality is that these bans and controls are very difficult to enact and enforce, and even then they seem to have virtually no effect on the problem.  Columbine, for example, occurred during the middle of the Clinton assault weapons ban.

JoeP
JoeP

When you have a fully auto weapon and a room full of crowded people, the auto is the best if you control the upper receiver from rising up.  You stupid people don't know what a machine gun is and a rifle that shoots semi auto.  It's just the same as killing someone with a Cadillac or if someone kills you with a Toyota.  Could this guy not have sat in a seat with a knife, stabbed someone, moved to the next seat and did the same thing until the whole row was killed during this batman movie?  So what are you going to do ban knives next?  What about baseball bats?  Are they next?  How many people are killed with hammers?  Where do you stop banning objects?  If you stupid people would push for current laws to be enforced instead of wanting more and more laws that aren't enforced the you deserve what you get.  Now what about the BATF?  They got someone killed protecting our borders, but yet the White House is protecting these people invovled.  How many Mexicans were killed?  Do I hear any of you protesting the loss of life in Mexico?  Remember........only criminals want gun control.  What's going to happen when someone breakes in your house, rapes your family while holding a weapon and your sitting there with nothing to protect your family?  When you bar weapons, I'm putting a sign in your front yard announcing you are defenseless while I'm armed.  Who's house is a criminal going to go to?  Duhhhhhhhhh.  I'm tired of all the bull$hit of gun control, I'm tried of the US bowing down to the UN and them trying to step on my rights.  Ughhhhhhhh..........No wonder there are people stockpiling weapons.  NOT GUNS, BUT WEAPONS.  Most of you never served in the military to know the difference..........

Paguilarr
Paguilarr

Mangan said he is not aware of any machine gun use to commit a crime... REALLY!! Then what guns were they using during the North Hollywood Shootout when those 2 guys robbed a BOA ?? I believe they were AKM's or what we commonly know as AK 47's.

Boston Park Plaza Hotel
Boston Park Plaza Hotel

Verynice article, very nicely explain about Fully-Auto & Semi-Autogun.But Fully-Auto guns really have very nice designs compare tosemi-auto gun.

Anon Anonymous
Anon Anonymous

Hey genius, take a look at firearm related crimes and you'll find that about 2% of those crimes are committed with rifles, regardless of type of feed system. Several times more those crimes are committed with shotguns, feed system irrelevant. The big one is handguns. Do some research. Obviously there isn't as big a problem with these military knock-off as you're trying to make it out to be. 

xxxtruthordare
xxxtruthordare

t makes no sense to require someone to register with any government. No matter, though, won easily by buying out from the trunk instead of a legit shop.erotic game

99sparks
99sparks

It sounded like you said, in other words, rich people are not criminals and poor people are.

Jewfro
Jewfro

"this lends support to the notion that strict gun control laws can prevent violent crime"

Not if you actualy think about it. It really means that the people who are willing to jump through the hoops to get their hands on these weapons are going to do anything stupid with them. The people who don't go through the governments torture and just buy them illegally from somewhere like Mexico are more reckless, kinda like the fellas in the north hollywood shooting. Truth is gun control only takes away guns from law abiding people. If you would have done any research you would have foun the places withe the least gun control have the least amount of violent crime. Just the opinion of a 17 year old Texan.

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Patriothenry

"Or should AR-15 buyers (or, by extension, buyers of any high-powered, semi-automatic guns with high-capacity magazines) be held to the same high standards as M-16 buyers?"

I see - let's get rid of those burdensome requirements for M-16 buyers!

Mistalee
Mistalee

Yawn.

A few years back, I bought a 7.62 x 39 SKS carbine at a Phoenix pawn shop for a little over a hundred bucks, packed in the original cosmolene. Semi-auto, fires a cartridge not much different from a . 223, holds ten rounds in the stock internal magazine but can be upgraded to a 30 round clip for cheap.

But why would you worry about price? If rich people can get assault rifles, I think it only fair that poor people can get them, too. Why should firepower be yet another privilege of the rich?

Scott
Scott

oops! requires taking people out of action "to care for the wounded". sorry.

Scott
Scott

Ray, let's go to the range so you can fire the "high-powered" AR-15. Then you can fire the real high-powered M1 Garand (.30-06). You can tell me then which one is high-powered.

Will either on kill you? Oh yes, but even the lowly .22 will do that if you get hit in the right spot, and you can survive either the .223 or .30-06 if you are likewise hit in the right spot. All guns are dangerous!

One of the ironies lost on the press is that the .223 was adopted in part due to the belief that wounding the enemy was better than killing him since that also requires taking people out of action and the .223 vs the .30-06 assuming the same hits will result in fewer deaths. So I laugh when I see the "authorized journalists" (google that) decry the killing power of the "high-powered" so-called "assault-rifles" as they are actually less lethal than the guns used in previous wars.

Regardless Ray, please don't hope that the government is successfull in criminalizing either semi-automatics or standard-capacity ("high capacity in your parlance) magazines. You will not be happy with the results.

Molon Labe.

Imalexdude
Imalexdude

The federal laws regarding machine guns are WAY too strict. I don't know why you should have to be rich to exercise your constitutional right. Seems a little backwards to me. Also 30 round magazines are considered standard for M16 or AR-15 rifles and not "high capacity" as most anti-gun factions are claiming. Most high capacity mags (over 30 rounds) that I have found for the AR are less reliable and can cause feeding problems. Rather than banning magazines over a certain amount of rounds we should just ban the companies that are producing unreliable junk for our firearms.

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No, actually, you relly did get ALMOSTEVERYTHING WRONG.

In your opening paragraph you state that a fully-auto M16 is 'widely avaliable'.

You neglect to mention that they hven't been made since 1986 and cost uppwards of $13,000.

Widely availiable my ass.

Thatoneguy
Thatoneguy

Oh, and .223 and 5.56 ammo is NOT the same. They are similar in size and thats all. Some rifles like the Mini-14 can use both. The reload data sheets are different for them as well.

Thatoneguy
Thatoneguy

Ugh. More pure, grade A, unadulterated ignorance. An AR-15 and M-16 may be cosmetically similar but thats about it. It is not a simple task and it is more than "different internal workings that allow the fully auto mode in the M-16" The lower receiver must be machined! Not an easy task. If you mess it up, the whole thing is ruined. Its a whole lot more than a "relatively minor difference". With all these restrictions on us firearms owners, I think its high time we get some restrictions on ignorant "journalists". We can limit the amount of untrue statements they are allowed to publish or how often. We can do background checks and only the people who actually research a topic are allowed to write about it.

Oscar615
Oscar615

If this article were not so sad it might be funny. You look like a fool.

Criminals commit crimes. Law abiding citizens don't. So why shouldn't I be able to own ANY firearm I want? Including fully automatic military firearms. After all when the country was formed, the people were intended to be able to own firearms equal to the military. And there is good reasoning for that. Oh, but you would not know that since you don't know how to do any research. How about reading some of the founding documents and the writings of the founders themselves? But I guess that wouldn't matter to you either.

I think we all should all be allowed to have class 3 weapons. It would be fun to have but not very practical. They waste to much ammo and are not typically very accurate when used in that manner. Which you also would know if you had done ANY kind of research other than talking to your anti gun buddies.

If a gun shoots more than one round with one pull of the trigger it is fully automatic. Period. That is The Governments definition, NOT the NRA. Once again you show your bias, lack of research, and make yourself look foolish. You just redefine according to your common sense? You have shown you have none. Just another mouthpiece.

"Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government, but illegal for the citizenry." -- Thomas Jefferson"The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good."-- George Washington

Oh and one I just ran across recently and thought was humorous... Guns cause crime like spoons cause Rosie to be fat, loud and stupid.

Guest
Guest

"Or should AR-15 buyers (or, by extension, buyers of any high-powered, semi-automatic guns with high-capacity magazines) be held to the same high standards as M-16 buyers?"

You can try that, but considering there are already hundreds of thousands if not millions of AR-15 (and similar) style firearms out there, the effort required to register and tax them all would cost more (in both money and life) than it was worth.

BruceV
BruceV

"Thomas Mangan, ATF spokesman, says he's not aware of any federally licensed machine gun being used to commit a crime."

And, with this stellar record how was the Class III community rewarded? In 1986 the hac politicians wrote the "Hughes Amendment" to the F.O.P.A. further punishing C III owners by limiting the number of transferable machine guns in circulation. PROVING these clowns will not stop, their real goal is the elimination of private ownership of firearms.

Jimg9x21
Jimg9x21

Two things, first the .223 is hardly what you would call "high powered" if compared to a normal hunting rifle round. Second, aside from being able to come up with 20,000 dollars, what is the "higher standard" you refer to? As far as I can tell the only difference in purchasing an AR-15 as opposed to an AR-16 is money. I would also point out that the AR really hasn't been much of a factor in violent crime so one would wonder why they focus on it? California banned the .50 cal rifles even though no crimes had been committed with one. Just how do you justify the logic?

James
James

Ray is correct on one thing: the functional differences between the full auto and semi auto versions of the AR-15 are pretty small. Internally, the only components that are difference is the bolt carrier and trigger mechanism. To that end, and because the Constitution contains the phrase "shall not be infringed" I think full autos should not be subject to any stricter regulation than semi autos.

GunnerG
GunnerG

Ray,

Since I know you want to get it right, I'll point out a few more problems with your article.

There is no license to own a machine gun. You simply fill out two copies of the form 4 you linked to, along with the required photo and fingerprint card. Attach a check for $200. One copy will be returned to you with a stamp on it. Basically an oversized postage stamp. That's it. You'll see on the form where it is signed by an ATF official. It is a tax form, not a license. It is also per machine gun, not per individual.

As far as the background check goes, I don't believe it is any more involved than the instant check we now have. Obviously it was in 1934, but now days I doubt it. You will see that on the form a local law enforcement official needs to sign off. Before the days of computerized and searchable court records this made sense. Now days it is simply used to deny people. There are numerous localities where LEOs won't sign for anyone. Luckily, there are ways around this. The process takes at least 90 days, because the FBI is allowed by law to sit on the background check for that long. They use every day of it. Nice huh? Finally, when everything comes back, your dealer will run you through the instant check just to cover his ass.

BTW, this process does not have to involve a dealer if it is within the same state. I can sell a machine gun to my neighbor by having him fill out the form 4 and sending it in. When I get it back from the ATF I can walk the gun next door and give it along with the form to the new owner.

You don't have to notify the ATF if you change residences, but you do have to notify them if you travel interstate with a machine gun. (18 U.S.C. 922(a)(4))

Sorry if the ATF official mislead you. Now you know what it is like dealing with those idiots. Us gun owners have to deal with it all the time.

Rustyhub
Rustyhub

Wow Ray, you really need to do go back to school for journalism....your "piece" is ridiculously under researched. It doesn't matter what "common sense" says is a machine gun. If I had an AR that fired a 3 round burst without being on the NFA registry, the BATFE would frown upon that and I could spend 10 years in prison and be fined $10,000. Stupid law, but it's the law. You might also want to research the fact that the Hughes Amendment that prevented the manufacture of machine guns for civilians in 1986 was not actually passed, but somehow ended up on Reagan's desk to become law. Plus the fact that the AR-15 has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the shooting.

Kerry
Kerry

Why does the author agree with the NRA that the .223 is a "high powered round", yet likely disagree with them on, I postulate, a full range (pun intended) of other issues? If they are an authority whose opinion is to be accepted as final, upon what or whose other opinion does he reject other opinions of theirs? Suppose an NRA spokesman were to comment here something like, "Ray, you opinion about such and such is twaddle", would he agree or dissimulate? If the NRA categorizes the .223 as high-powered for "target competitions", then surely be the round was so categorized, it was in competition with medium or perhaps low powered rounds. If so, what were these rounds, .22 rimfire, .22 WMR's, .25, what...? Does our doughty reporter understand that the actual bullet, (in Congress critter-speak) the lead and copper thingy which zips out the front are essentially the same diameter, i.e. .22 and .223 inches? I'm going to go out on a limb here and speculate that the premise, conscious or not, upon which this article sprouts is not defending individual liberty. After all, firearms are the citizen's last defense against a tyrannical and out of control what...EPA, DHS, BATFE, TSA, DOJ,...Pick your alphabet. Senor Stern, have you read the document of April 1775, Declaration of the Causes and Necessity of Taking Up of Arms? Have you heard of it? The Intolerable Acts? (Passed after the repeal of the Stamp Acts?) Have you forgotten that we, and you, are still those people who believed in opposing tyrannical central authority?

Dick Moe
Dick Moe

This article is loaded with factual innaccuracies (not differences of terminology) and never should have been published. The conclusions drawn are based on opinions founded on ignorance of basic firearms classifications and laws and as such are completely invalid. A little research goes a long way in journalism...

Mac
Mac

Ray this is arizona and if you don't know squat about owning a gun, you don't belong in this fine state of gun toting wackjobs.

Jdberger
Jdberger

The real difference between semi-auto and three-round-burst is 10 years in a Federal prison.

Full-auto and semi-auto are terms of art. They mean specific things with respect to the law.

Gun laws are complex. They're confusing. Journalists seeking to write intelligent prices on guns and gun law should contact industry experts on the subject. Fortunately, AZ has a wealth of experts. Alan Korwin is based in Phoenix. David Hardy is in Tucson. The AZCDL is also a great resource. So are some of the many manufacturers, ranges and gun stores. Dillon Precision, Scottsdale Gun Club, Vltor, etc. have facilities in AZ.

A little research goes a long way to establish credibility.

S.W.G.
S.W.G.

This guy doesn't have the slightest clue what he's talking about.

He got almost every detail wrong.

If I owned this newspaper I would fire this hack on the spot.

Carl_in_Chicago
Carl_in_Chicago

I suspect this, like many other blogs, can be authored by pretty much anyone who can type. Are there any standards for this kind of article? Well, I guess the only standard is whether the author can be shamed into writing about topics he actually understands.

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Thirdpower
Thirdpower

"Common Sense" told you that your own created definitions are what is reality?

OK Humpty Dumpty.

I mean come on. You don't know anything about the functional characteristics of the firearms or the ammo they use. You look at them, they look the same so they must be exactly the same. You use terminology you don't understand and then dance to defend it.

BIGdogC
BIGdogC

@Paguilarr We have had one (or at most two) violent crimes committed by *legal registered machinegun owners* in the last three quarters of a century. And one of which was a cop who used a fully automatic in a robbery back in the 80s. I'm not trying to rag on you just saying I think the point Mangan was trying to make is that these restrictions help prevent fully automatic guns falling into the wrong hands, which in return prevents them being used in crime. If we had similar regulations on all firearms it could possibly help solve some of our societies gun control problems. I myself own two legal fully automatic weapons and had to notify the local police that  I have them, submit a fingerprint card, FBI back round check, and the $200 dollar fee. I feel that it some ways big brother is violating my rights of privacy and second amendment right to bear arms, but I understand these measurements need to be taken due to all these psycho people running around. Besides anyone with knowledge of how a semiautomatic works can turn it into a fully automatic in five minutes with a drill and a drimmel,,

yess
yess

he said federally registered guns not machine guns in general dummy

Derek S Scammon
Derek S Scammon

Which is the entire platform of the gun control lobby.  Look at the history of gun control; it mostly started in southern states after the Civil War, to control the newly-freed black population.  It continues today, which is why old Chucky Schumer has a New York CCW permit, and you'll never get one.  You're a member of the unwashed masses, and can't be trusted with a gun!

Jay
Jay

I love the AR15 facts Scott, although I don't think Ray does. I own an AR15 and some WWII rifles my dad came back with. The Lee Enfield (303) is a monster compared to the .223, but not as scary looking I guess...to Ray anyway. I might add that the.223 was intended for exactly what you said, plus you could carry much more ammo due to..........

Yes, it's weight and unusually small size for a front line infantry rifle.

Facts sting when your agenda is knocked off track.

ExpertShot
ExpertShot

Nuclear weapons? Depleted Uranium ammo? Biochemical weapons? What are you talking about here

ExpertShot
ExpertShot

SCOTUS decided that gun regulations are constitutional. Let's work together to keep dangerous weapons out of the hands of dangerous people. No group wants to ban guns, they couldn't if they tried - SCOTUS has spoken. Stop with the false stories about people wanting to ban guns, it's a lie.

DevinMacGregor
DevinMacGregor

@GunnerG Wow, that sounds really horrible.  I am feel bad about your persecution for being a law abiding citizen.  Only criminals should have to go through such processes.

Ray Stern
Ray Stern

Next time I see a Vietnam movie I'll be sure to remark -- "Wow, look at all the medium-powered rifles!"

Ray Stern
Ray Stern

"He got almost every detail wrong."

What bullshit. There were a couple of errors based on some misinformation I received from the ATF and those are corrected now. Those were the errors related to the fee and the license vs. registration issue.

Jay
Jay

Oops, I meant to say: it's ammo's weight and small size.....just to clarify

Derek S Scammon
Derek S Scammon

SCOTUS has decided a lot of things, they are not omnipotent or even immune to stupidity.  Unless of course you think that separate but equal was a fully constitutional policy.  They found that to be constitutional, too, remember?

Jay
Jay

Ray, actually...they (AR15's) are medium powered rifles. Ask the guys in Vietnam that had to carry them and fight the Russian/Chinese AK47. (According to a Vet I know) they (US Soldiers) would confiscated AK47's and use them as their "blaster" (I made that description up) rifles.....much more powerful and could shoot through an 8 inch tree easily. The M16 is a more precise, less powerfull rifle. I was invented that way, so troops could carry more (light powered) ammo into battle. (Damn, am I suggesting a liberal columnist looks something up....on Wikipedia at that?)

As a matter of fact, (i'll explain that word later if you wish) the most common hunting rifle calibers (30-06 and 308 to name a few) are much more powerfull, but not as "scary" looking as the black AR (to liberal "journalists" used lightly)

Yes, Ray, It would be correct to call the M16/AR15 "medium-powered." A liberal's common sense goes out the window once again in favor of how something makes you "feel." Yes, AR15's are "black," "scary" and "mean looking," but if the looks of the gun is scary to you, quit looking. If you can't man up and fight hunting rifle ownership, the more powerful gun, stop with the uneducated scare tactics.

ExpertShot
ExpertShot

How about the the error you committed when you stated:

Yet similar restrictions on semi-automatic weapons would clearly have a major effect on the firearms industry, firearms buyers and the right to bear arms.

You provided no substantiation for this claim - that's a journalistic error. In fact the statement is false in a major regard. The Supremem Court ("SCOTUS") held in McDonald v. Chicago, that the right of an individual to "keep and bear arms" protected by the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution is incorporated by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and applies to the states. That decision cleared up the uncertainty left in the wake of District of Columbia v. Heller as to the scope of gun rights in regard to the states. Your contention that regulation intended to keep dangerous weapons out of the hands of dangerous people restricts citizens' right to bear arms is false.

The right to bear arms was confirmed by the Supreme Court and is no longer an issue. No matter how much you want to use yellow journalism to whip up hysteria among the gun owners in our community that their rights to bear arms is threatened, you are presenting false information in your article on this issue and you should be called on it. You are no better than the anti-communists of the 1940s and 50s whipping up the hysteria that ended up with the post–World War II era of McCarthyism.

The responsibility of our elected representatives to pass laws that protect us from enemies within (e.g., dangerous people with access to dangerous weapons) is constitutional according to the same court that decided Heller and McDonald. While the SCOTUS determined that handguns are "Arms" and concluded that they may not be banned; however, they said that Second Amendment rights are subject to reasonable restrictions.

It is reasonable to require purchasers of all guns to register and purchases and to require the buyer (and seller) to undergo background checks. The weapons industry is fighting these constitutional laws in order to maximize their profits.

It also appears that they are also paying journalists to write write stories to whip up anti gun regulation hysteria as well. Knock it off Ray.

There are no organized groups trying to get guns banned - NONE. Please report on that "news." There are groups attempting to get our representatives to protect us from dangerous people obtaining dangerous weapons. However, you are trying to fight that effort and would prefer dangerous people have and use dangerous weapons. Does this translate into your support of Loughner having his gun and using it because it's his "right."

DevinMacGregor
DevinMacGregor

@Derek S Scammon LOL, yeah who are they damn you SCOTUS just because you say some law passed is unconstitutional doss not mean it is.  Dammit that is not what the Framers wanted.  They only wanted laws passed that I like.

DevinMacGregor
DevinMacGregor

@Jay Yeah and then when other soldiers heard the sound of that AK going off they fired in that direction, eh?  When I went active duty in 1985 they showed us films on the round comparing wounds from a 556 vs a 762 from an AK.  Why because of attitudes like yourself who believed it to just be a pop gun. Medium powered, lol.  Most combat of that sort was right in your face thus long rifle rounds were not needed and overkill.  This is why the Germans invented the assault rifle in the first place.

DevinMacGregor
DevinMacGregor

@Thatoneguy And who is selling to them out of a trunk?   Solutions to stop them?   Oh snap you mean only law abiding citizens buy out of a trunk.

Thatoneguy
Thatoneguy

It is NOT reasonable to require someone to register ANYTHING with the government. Doesn't matter though, easily defeated by buying out of a trunk rather than a legit storefront.

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