U.S. Homeland Security Debunks Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu's Claim of Cartel "Assassins" Runing Amok

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We (and everyone else) got a news release earlier today from the Pinal County Sheriff's Office, whose boss, Paul Babeu (in the photo), is the man of the moment in the increasingly ugly debate over what to do with illegal immigrants.

 

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The dramatic release claimed that, back in May, the federal Department of Homeland Security (headed by former Arizona Governor Janet Napolitano) informed several local law enforcement agencies in an e-mail that "assassins" from the Mexican drug cartels were "being sent to take out bandits in Vekol Valley."

Vekol Valley, readers may recall, is in a remote part of western Pinal County, and it is where Deputy Louie Puroll claimed to have been shot by drug smugglers last April 30. (We have written extensively about that shooting (see here and here), and currently are working on a follow-up story.)

The Homeland Security e-mail claimed that a "credible confidential source" had spoken of an alleged weekend meeting of competing cartel members in Rocky Point (Puerto Penasco), also in May.

During the clandestine meeting, the source said, it allegedly had been decided "that the cartel would send a group of fifteen, very well-equipped and armed sicarios [killers] complete with bulletproof vests, into the Vekol Valley...[The cartel] will then send groups of simulated backpackers carrying empty boxes covered with burlap into the Vekol Valley to draw out the bandits.

"Once the bandits have been identified, the sicarios will take out the bandits."

Sheriff Babeu confirmed the existence of the Homeland Security e-mail in this morning's press release after Channel 5 in Phoenix broke the story, saying "this information [the meeting of the Mexican bad guys] came from Janet Napolitano's office. She knows exactly what the citizens of Arizona are faced with, yet she continues to publicly state how much safer we all are."

Ouch!

But wait a tic, as super-spy Austin Powers used to say.

Matthew Chandler, a Washington D.C.-based spokesman for Homeland Security, responded to the blustery sheriff a few hours ago with his own e-mail.

"This particular information proved to be inaccurate," Chandler wrote.

"At this time, DHS does not have any specific, credible information on intra-cartel violence taking place in Arizona. Over the past 20 months, this administration has dedicated unprecedented manpower, technology and infrastructure to the Southwest border.

"In addition to remaining in close contact with law enforcement on the ground, over the past several months we have added personnel and assets to Arizona to assist other federal, state and local partners to keep our communities safe."

In other words, WTF are you local yokels yapping about?

Not to be outdone, Sheriff Babeu's public information officer, Tim Gaffney, immediately fired back at Chandler, "Can you please explain to me how the Department of Homeland Security can say that the information was 'proved to be inaccurate?'

"The intelligence information disseminated by your office was correct regarding the Deputy Puroll shooting, and four weeks later we had two illegal immigrants murdered in this same area described in the e-mail where they said it would take place. One of the illegal immigrants was armed with an assault rifle. Now during the past several weeks `spotters' have been located [in] several different caves which is also referenced in the e-mail. How with three confirming facts can you say that it was `proved to be inaccurate?'"

Anyway, that's where things sit right now -- in the land of jibber and jabber.

Oh, and yes... We still are scratching our heads about what happened to those smugglers and all their dope in the Louie Puroll case.


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Guest
Guest

The info about the hit squad was legit, I can risk my sources but they are with DHS. Do you guys really belive anything that is put out by Nappys office? Really?

tr7fan
tr7fan

why would they do any different. now judge bolton allowed more portions of sb 1070 to be put into action im sure there not a very happy bunch of campers because of that whats his face eric holder has started lawsuits against a school in maricopa country is fighting sb 1070 as well as just got thru fighting the constitutionality of employers act before the 9th circuit anything they can to to screw with az is what they seem to be destined to do

Bleengloob
Bleengloob

Poor old Joke. The baboon is getting all the press. All Joke can do is sit in his office and fill his depends. He got the money for them by stealing funds from MCSO. LOL

Emil Pulsifer
Emil Pulsifer

Nice comment, mikefrombisbee. I haven't been able to get the "Like" button to work lately, so here's an explicit "Well done!".

Watchfuleye
Watchfuleye

baboon is little joe pinal better watch it, any 'work ' is for political gain, only

we need to introduce term limtis to sheriff!!!!

RubinEatsCock
RubinEatsCock

Rubin, go back to jerking off to your posters of Sheriff Joe. Your investigations of Pinal County are nausiating to say the least. It was known a minimum of 5 years ago that cartel spotters where already inside Pinal Co up in the hills, helping to spot and report LEO activity in the area, so they could move drugs through. Dont tell me, now that everyone in the world and the real media are aware of the 'spotters'....youre pissed because you didnt get your dime bag on time Friday?

Pinal County leadership is on the right track. Theyve got a huge battle on lands that nobodys ever heard about, or cared about....except for the people who live there, and are effected by the drug and human trade in that area. DHS needs to get off its ass and put-up or shut the fuck up. The problem exists, its real, and people are dying. But what the fuck do you care Rubin......youre nothing but a fucking pip-squeek behind an 'entertainment publication' who jerks off to the site of a star shaped badge. So go grab your jar of vasaline, pull it about 90 times fast, then go light yourself a nice fat-one you lame fucktard.

Emil Pulsifer
Emil Pulsifer

A couple of commenters here have suggested that DHS never sent such a memo, but DHS's remark that the raw intelligence later proved to be without basis indicates that they did. Nor was PCSO the only law enforcement agency to receive it. I'm a little surprised that DHS sent something like this on when it was uncorroborated (not to mention silly), but apparently they had so much faith in their source, or else figured there would be trouble if it turned out to be true and they failed to pass the information along, that they disseminated it.

Dennis Wagner of the Arizona Republic had a piece on this published Saturday, in which he notes that "revelations of the e-mail came amid political feuding over border security between President Barack Obama's administration and Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu" and that Babeu " has been seeking money for counter-smuggling operations".

http://www.azcentral.com/arizo...

Gee, I wonder who leaked this to the media?

Crisher1
Crisher1

will somone remove baboon and send him packing. He did not get alot of attention as a child.

Tina
Tina

Ed from Dedham,

Thank you for your eye-opening information, particularly the chronology. The bit that Babeu himself had to have been the one who saw to it that KPHO got a copy of the email sounds very likely. It all fits with his other recent public behavior and actions (pleas for more money from the Pinal Board of Supervisors to beef up the department with more deputies and artillery, etc.) If Channel 5 knew or suspected the "leak" came from him, they made no mention of it. They also made no mention that they did or didn't check out its validity with DHS which is odd for a reputable news outlet. But that likely maneuver by Babeu does leave an unfavorable impression, that he's a devious sneak, as well as a glory hound.

Your second paragraph was most enlightening: the possible devastating consequences of acting on his own as he did and sending out that news release containing confidential information meant only for law enforcement. He not only didn't confirm the reliability of the information (a 5-month-old email) with DHS, but that kind of irresponsibility can get a source killed. I think Babeu said in his last stint before the cameras that this is information that the public should know (what's the general public going to do with that information?), but as you pointed out this isn't the way responsible law enforcement officials conduct themselves. What I'm seeing is Babeu's lack of law enforcement experience combined with his publicity hound nature is an invitation for trouble, not sound law enforcement.

Then there's the chronology of events: the Puroll incident still not fully understood to any degree of satisfaction, the DHS email two weeks later, and five months later Babeu misstating the contents of the DHS email and using it to justify Puroll's story so soon after the New Times story, the T-shirt to the crime lab, and two or more subsequent clarifying New Times stories concerning that April 30 Puroll incident.

Seems to me Babeu is giving it all he's got, using any means he can devise to try and justify his actions and many inactions, to enhance his "credibility" with respect to Puroll's "shootout in the desert" story.

Ed from Dedham
Ed from Dedham

A bit more on Tina's question about the source of the leak. On Thursday (before KPHO's story aired), Babeu telegraphed it on the Fox Business Network:___

Babeu: Well, there’s other information that, that -- intel that our government has that they have concealed from the public that’s very troubling and concerning to me, that, uh, I think will be revealed very shortly.

David Asman: Now wait a minute!

Babeu: Uh, but we’ve had ...

Asman: ... lemme, lemme press ya’ on this point, Sheriff. What are you talking about? They are, they’re ...

Babeu: Yes.

Asman: ... concealing data or statistics, or what?

Babeu: [pause]

http://video.foxbusiness.com/v...

___

And on KGUN's 6PM show the following day:

___

Babeu (tape): What am I gonna do when I get law enforcement sensitive information? I’ll do just what I did here. I’ve had that information to try to help our operations. I’ll try to appeal to leaders within our government, “look, we need to share this with the public.” And I’ll do that.

Jessica Chapin: Babeu made it clear that he was not the one who leaked the information. He says he does know who did -- it was two agencies based in Phoenix -- but he would not tell us any more specifics.___

This is not a person who can be entrusted with sensitive information.

JJ
JJ

So lets get this straight does the new times believe that there aren't heavily armed drug runners out there? Okay I have an idea for a story go on a stake out in that valley for two weeks. Gather evidence on what is going on out there and report back. I'm not joking you should do this and then show us what you find.

ondayque
ondayque

The Minuteman paid the Zetas to hire a landscaper and a paletaman (icecream cart sales dude) to hire a democrat from the BOS to get a corn dude from the swap meet to get the guy at Rancho Market to tell the carwash guy in Sun city to tell the tree trimmer in Sun Lakes to get the cabbie from Los Mismos Cabs to hire the tree trimmer to shoot Purrol in the kidney only on top of the flesh. They told the guy to also wet a canvass and fire it at close range so the gunpowder wouldn't show up on the t-short so Arpiao pendejo could get Hendershotts fat fricking sweaty ass (EWWWWWWWWWWWWW) to go to the Vekol Valley to hire more Hondurans so he could get a knee transplant to make it look like an industrial injury and then have someone make it look like somebody in Mexico's cartels really gave a shit about Arpaio. Oh, and then try to kill him.There will be no threat against the flacid fool until he publicly challenges the cartels. Come on america's toughest chonch!!! What are you waiting for?/ Throw the challenge to the cartels. Let's see if you can live up to the name. You are big piece of shit ass pussy. Supposed to be tough but won't talk to the media now that the cat is out the bag .

Ed from Dedham
Ed from Dedham

Tina: "How did Channel 5 get a copy of the "confidential" email?"

Babeu was careful to leave the impression KPHO got the memo elsewhere, & that he just confirmed (& subsequently released parts of) what had already been leaked: “You, you’ve already confirmed it. I’m not gonna lie about it.” (PCSO's press release says it was contacted on Thursday. KGUN reports that Babeu says he was contacted the day before.)

Make of that what you will. In any case, Babeu didn’t contact DHS before releasing the memo, either to insure he wasn't about to get a source killed or to confirm the reliability of the information. This isn't the way responsible law enforcement officials conduct themselves. It's what a demagogue would do.

Someone seems to have the chronology wrong. The alleged Puerto Peñasco meeting was supposed to have happened over a week after the Puroll incident. It was purportedly to plan actions to be taken still later. The rumor the memo passed along from the night of the Puroll shooting attributed it to bandits, not assassins, & certainly not to assassins who hadn't even been dispatched yet. But KTAR reports that “Babeu said he always knew that the assassins shot Purrol [sic].”

TeoBuneo
TeoBuneo

Oh yeah BotBay, big stuffs a happening in that little pea brain of yours after listening to way too many of the fantasy rants from Alex Jones and Glenn Beck, the two biggest lunatic liars spouting on US radio and television.

WAKE UP FELLOW CITIZENS
WAKE UP FELLOW CITIZENS

Have any of you people commenting talked to anyone whose job it is to stop this illegal activity? The media on both sides stretches the truth, the federal government doesn't give a $@#! about the border or border safety. All the government wants is to claim the hispanic vote by allowing this invasion to continue.

Talk to a border patrol agent who is in the field all the time. I will believe what he says over anything that is reported in the media. They have been handcuffed by the government. Told to patrol low traffic areas so that they don't have to report all the traffic they can't stop. Undermanned and outgunned, they are sitting targets for the cartel spotters and the cartel assassins. When last were any of you down at the border? I go there regularly and there is a feeling of fear from everyone who lives there.

War on drugs?? Lol. What a fu&%ing joke. When we end the war on drugs, do you know how many politicians will loose money? How many people have turned that into a career? The war on drugs is designed to never end, its tax payer money for anyone smart enough to fu*k good Americans and steal their money. Shame on the government because they are not for the people. Shame on us for not kicking them out of office. People..remember the real patriots from the Revolutionary war, become like them. Have a fierce and unshakable sense of wrong and right, a love for liberty and freedom that you would die for and loyalty to the constitution that will prevent our government from ever enslaving us.

Dennis Gilman
Dennis Gilman

Don't we already know that Purell's shooting happened much closer then the caves? While he probably didn't shoot himself, what was he doing out there alone?

Emil Pulsifer
Emil Pulsifer

"This particular information proved to be inaccurate."

I should have thought that the very premise itself lacked credibility. Why should the drug cartels send a team of assassins into the Vekol Valley to lure "bandits" out and kill them? Since when did the drug cartels make bandit busting their business?

The cartels smuggling drugs already have armed guards accompanying those shipments. In the event they are confronted by opportunistic thieves, they could take action. Running around in large groups with packs, assault rifles, and body armor would only attract the attention of law enforcement, not bandits. I can't believe anybody at DHS or PCSO would be stupid enough to take such a story seriously. Maybe that's the point: it's yet another tall tale to excite the rubes for political gain. Why would anyone who had received a confidential tip from DHS broadcast the information in a public news release, if they actually believed it?

This is strictly Boys Life stuff. Kinderspiel. Next, we'll learn from Sheriff Babeu that a group of Islamic fanatics has tracked down the stolen Eye of the Idol to the Vekol Valley, and plan to wreak a terrible vengeance upon the thieves.

Tina
Tina

It's probably doubtful in Rubin's follow-up story he's working on that it will include the DHS response to Gaffney's inquiry because it will include some kind of "for your eyes only"instructive. Really frustrating is that we don't know where self-serving political posturing ends and where serious concerns begin, and where those serious concerns then end and political posturing begins again.

It remains unacceptable that Babeu would not, will not, allow Puroll to be questioned by DPS investigators. There remain incongruities in Puroll's story and certainly his boss who has indicated he's a believer in Puroll's account of what happened on April 30 would want to have those incongruities cleared up to validate Puroll's credibility.

davetheman
davetheman

Why dosen't everyone involved take a lie detector test? One ordered by the FBI, that would clear up what really happen. What does everyone think of that?

mikefrombisbee
mikefrombisbee

Vekol Valley is all that Babeu has. He doesn't have a real border to play with, so he has to make do with that. Poor fellow. Perhaps he could move to Cochise County and run against fellow wing-nut Larry Deaver. In the meantime, Vekol Valley will have to serve as his pretend border...

Befuddled by Babeu
Befuddled by Babeu

A special thank you to Paul Babeu and his director of marketing, Timmy Gaffney.

Several months ago these two were sreaming for semi-automatic rifles for the deputies; didn't have time to go through regular channels for funding (like the rest of LEA in America does). The only sheriff in the U.S. to have infomercials for firearms. The rest of them plan ahead and are taken care of. Where are them rifles you needed so badly, Paul? Forgot about them already and off on another tangent?

Let's quote the man himself, as he was being interviewed by Greta VS on Fox News in September. Babeu talked about the TWO cave spotters that had been found.

Babeu tells Greta “…and they have binoculars, and they have night vision and they have supplies of food. And they can see literally 30, 40 miles…and they control the movement and the access. Now, they don’t have thousands of soldiers there, in terms of that control but anybody who understands military tactics know, when you control the high-points of terrain, and you control movement in that area, that that is unacceptable here to be in America.”

When Greta asks if they had weapons, Babeu replied “…these two, they did not.”

If these now famous caves in the hilltops along the Pinal desert are such vital points, put a well-equipped PCSO range deputy in one. The deputy could then see for the Babeu claimed 30-40 miles and then PCSO could control that area and the battle is won. And if a cartel “spotter” happened to be in one of the caves, at least the lone deputy would have someone to talk to.

TILTING AT WINDMILLS, nothing more.

davetheman
davetheman

Paul Babeu is not afraid of the Cartel, this is just one of his games. Believe me if the Cartel was after him he would hide in the closet with one of his underage lovers. God forbid someone would come after his pretty little face. Can't fool everyone Paul baby.

Pecee69
Pecee69

It's so sad that those who crave media exposure, Baboon included, become incoherent, incomprehensible, and devoid of logic or common sense when their carefully crafted and scripted publicity scenarios are derailed or questioned

Rob
Rob

"Matthew Chandler, a Washington D.C.-based spokesman for Homeland Security, responded to the blustery sheriff a few hours ago with his own e-mail.

"This particular information proved to be inaccurate," Chandler wrote.

"At this time, DHS does not have any specific, credible information on intra-cartel violence taking place in Arizona."

So...the email/memo proved to be false. And Babeau/PCSO is spinning it as fact...based on some obscure relation...

Where have I heard this before? Seems familiar, false memo's and all....Nigeria keeps coming to mind...and I'm thinking yellowcake for some crazy reason...

Haven't we seen where promoting false messages as fact has taken us?

Tommy Collins
Tommy Collins

It just keeps getting deeper in Pinal. Can you imagine how pissed the Old Fart from MCSO must be these days? Babeu getting all this press coverage. Goodness, I bet the Flaccid Fool has bagged an extra wrinkle or two just in the month of October.

botanybay
botanybay

I think with what's going on with the gang wars, they could be taking care of a whole LOTTA business in Pinal County that we're completely unaware of.

Republithug
Republithug

"will then send groups of simulated backpackers carrying empty boxes covered with burlap into the Vekol Valley to draw out the bandits.

"Once the bandits have been identified, the sicarios will take out the bandits." "

And we have a deputy dog saying he was tracking a group of backpackers and then claim he was shot.

so to restate "the sicarios will take out the bandits" and the bandit in this case was a Deputy and was almost taken out. HMMM well if deputy dog did not wind up shooting himself then he was shot by the protectors of those he was looking to rob while on duty

Tina
Tina

You've expressed a great deal of off-the-wall accusations and name calling against investigative journalist Paul Rubin, without citing anything, not one specific, to justify your overboard rant. Rant, rant, rant. It's evident also that you prefer not to recognize the dubious political motives of Paul Babeu. It was gratifying to read mikefrombisbee's very detailed earlier post, countering with first hand information the politically motivated misinformation posted by WAKEUPFELLOWCITIZENS. Those who first have political opinions, then try to justify those opinions with untruthful claims (e.g., there's a scarcity of border patrol agents on the Arizona border) and carry them further to then wrongfully accuse an individual such as Napolitano of not doing anything, rely on the ignorance of others to make their propaganda believable.

mikefrombisbee
mikefrombisbee

There's nothing like reasoned, intelligent discourse to elevate a conversation - electronic or otherwise - to new heights. Please provide specific information about the "people (who) are dying" in Pinal County's "Great Vekol Valley invasion." How many of them have been shot by AK-47s in pitched battles and found in the wasteland west of I-10??

In case you weren't aware, people have been dying out there for years. Did you just realize that? Those dessicated bodies out in the Sonoran desert belong to illegal immigrants seeking work. Their deaths are indeed sad and unnecessary - the result of failed policy on the federal level. But to suggest that there is a great battle raging in Pinal County is to buy into the propaganda that has been disseminated by politicians eager to make capital out of fear and racial paranoia. Good grief, you all don't even have a border with Mexico, but I guess you have to have something to rage about. If I lived in Pinal County, I'd be looking for developers and financiers to hold accountable for leaving the county in such a fix - but that would require more than merely watching Fox News and attending tea parties.

That entire story about deputy Louie's encounter with the drug mules sounds about as plausible as alien abduction stories. However, I understand that if you have a pre-conceived notion about the massive Brown Invasion of Pinal County that it's necessary to pound square pegs into round holes to make things fit.

Tina
Tina

Since he's reportedly one of eleven siblings, your assessment (not getting a lot of attention as a child) is probably a sound one. Same goes for Arpaio, but under different circumstances.

alehound
alehound

Just wait until his asshole brother becomes a judge in Penile county, if you think it's bad now. Just say no to baboons.

Tina
Tina

Thanks for this additional information about Arizona's blabbermouth sheriff with those pertinent excerpts. He's obviously made matters worse due to that fact that he cannot be entrusted with sensitive information. Worse for intelligence, worse for tactical decision making and tactical actions if called for. That takes smarts, not counterproductive blabbermouths.

I would hope New Times (or someone) would transcribe and analyze that entire Fox News interview of him. He's very clever and articulate, but how much is fact, how much is distorted spin and how much is downright false? Even I caught a couple of falsehoods. Does blasting Janet Napolitano and the Dept. of Justice help with real problem solving? I think not. What exactly did bigmouth accomplish to enhance smart law enforcement? He's now cut himself off from serious law enforcement as well. Who's going to seriously discuss confidential matters with him when they can't trust him to keep his mouth shut?

mikefrombisbee
mikefrombisbee

"When last were any of you down at the border?"Today, yesterday, the day before, every day. And the fear that you talk about that everyone supposedly has living along the border just isn't there. The so-called "border invasion" is a right wing wet dream, fueled by much of the media. Right wing politicians make capital out of scaring the hell out of people who don't have a clue about what the border is like. I have lived and worked on the border most of my life. (Dougklas, Nogales and Bisbee.) I drive Border Road between Paul Spur and Bisbee Junction, State Route 80 between Douglas and Bisbee and State Route 191 regularly and travel extensively throughout the rest of Cochise County (and Graham and Greenlee Counties as well) in the most rural and isolated areas. I talk to Border Patrol agents. I know them personally. I have them for neighbors and have played base ball with them. My co-workers are married to them. There are so many of them around here that they bump into each other. To say that the federal government doesn't do anything about illegal immigration and drug trafficking is quite simply ridiculous. There are close to a thousand Border Patrol agents assigned to the Naco and Douglas stations. Last month my wife an I drove along and near the border from the Coronado Memorial on the south east side of the Huachuca Mountains to Lochiel in the San Rafael Valley. It's a spectacularly beautiful drive, particularly at the height of the rainy season. We have done it many times over the years. Each time we stopped in September we were approached by Border Patrol agents who asked us if we needed help and wished us a good day. I suspect we were observed and tracked the entire way. Our local police department spends a lot of time (supposedly off-duty) watching for illegals as part of Operation Stonegarden, which is a federally funded program. The point most people miss is that the action taken by the feds and local governments is a result of policy that resembles the use of a claw hammer to pull a screw out of a block of wood. It just ain't gonna work, regardless of the amount of effort used.The fact is illegal immigration doesn't do much to fuel the violence that occurs along the border - illegal drugs do and their transportation and sales are responsible for most border violence - the vast amount of which, it should be noted, occurs on the other side of La Frontera. I agree that the so-called war on drugs is a waste of money and incredibly bad policy. Law enforcement agencies are as addicted to drug war money as addicts are to product. Babeau, Arpaio and Deaver will use illegal immigration as a "bloody shirt" to wave because it's good for their business and furthers their political ambitions.To say that the federal government hasn't taken action regarding the border is belied by the physical evidence. Try driving on any state highway or county road in Cochise County and NOT run into Border Patrol agents...But what is being missed is this... unless we want to turn our border with Mexico into a close approximation of the DMZ in Korea, drugs and illegals will continue to cross the border. There is a high demand and a lucrative profit involved. Public officials on both sides of the border will be corrupted and the end result will continue to be a steady supply of human and chemical products at affordable prices. Until we have sane policies regarding immigration and drugs this sick joke will be perpetuated. That is, unless you want an Iron Curtain style border between us and Mexico. I don't.

Tina
Tina

If all that is "kinderspiel," why ever in the world did DHS, two weeks after the Puroll incident, send that "confidential" May 13 email to Babeu and allegedly to all or many other Arizona law enforcement agencies, the information from which was supposedly from "a confidential credible source"? To be on the safe side? To validate Puroll's story? To test Babeu? Also, when DHS learned that "this information proved to be inaccurate," why didn't they inform Babeu and the other agencies of that fact?

Additionally, Channel 5's news report about the May 13 DHS email preceded Babeu's big news release about it. How did Channel 5 get a copy of the "confidential" email?

And didn't the feds post those large warning signs for travelers somewhere down in that area? When and where was that done, and what prompted the posting of those signs?

Yes, Dennis G., whatever motivated Louis Puroll to go out there alone, unprotected, is a mystery.

Mistalee
Mistalee

"And they can see literally 30, 40 miles…" Wow. So cartel spotters can see around the curvature of the Earth. Quite an accomplishment...

botanybay
botanybay

Bottom line is that we really have very little idea what happened in that shootout. It may have been that those mules were expecting to be attacked, or the deputy just might have stumbled upon a recon or assassin team. Look at what happened to the jet-skier in texas. Dead. Guy investigating his murder? Decapitated. Last week in TJ? 16 people murdered and hung from bridges, etc. Big stuff is happening.

http://www.latimes.com/sns-ap-...

http://www.latimes.com/news/na...

Tina
Tina

Well said, very well said! Belated thanks for what you related in your earlier post from your personal experiences of living and having lived in the border towns most of your life and the roads you travel down there. I even got out my Arizona road map to get the full picture. I've only been to Bisbee once or twice, also to Benson, Tombstone, etc. and those areas down there many years ago. Also recall driving with my daughter from east to west, south of Ft. Huachuca along the border. Pure serenity.

You have got a full insightful grasp of what's going on here. (e.g., " Law enforcement agencies are as addicted to drug war money as addicts are to product. Babeau, Arpaio and Deaver will use illegal immigration as a "bloody shirt" to wave because it's good for their business and furthers their political ambitions.") And your last paragraph (above) says it all.

If the Louis Puroll story is expected to be even half-way credible, Paul Babeu would have insisted on a complete and thorough investigation of it by those equipped to do so. In my view, saving face politically, and now effectively embellishing that unproven story to try and justify his noisy pleas to obtain more law enforcement money for Pinal County, is where he's at now with all his fast talking posturing. Lights, cameras, action -- not the most effective use of his deputies' time and duties -- appears to be his priority.

TeoBuneo
TeoBuneo

It appears they didn't Tina, it's looking as though Sheriff Babeu made it up just for those dimwits who will believe any BS attack on the federal government even one coming from a member of a family well known for prevarications. The only law enforcement personnel who say they buy Puroll's tale appear to be those working under Babeu's command. I wonder why that would be?

Truthout
Truthout

We have a very good idea what happened in the desert - because we have evidence that debunks the story given by the deputy. So too, we have a very good idea what happened on the lake - because we have evidence supporting the given story.

Rather than create a false linkage, consider evaluating each story independent of the the other. Just because one thing was caused by the brown devils to the south that fear does not mean the same is true for the other, which seems to have been done by a white devil you love.

Tina
Tina

TeoBuneo, I agree that Babeu has made a religion out of attacking the feds. Same with Brewer. But I don't understand your first sentence, "It appears they didn't.." Who didn't do what? DHS didn't send the May email? Didn't send the recent email? Didn't post the signs? If it's the signs, who do you think did have them made and posted? Babeu? Isn't anyone taking responsibility for erecting those signs? Yes, the only law enforcement we've read about supporting Puroll's story is Babeu, Puroll and the PCSO detective. Not even a word from Arpaio that I know of, but that's no surprise because he's only ever supported himself and his own "law enforcement" -- if you can call it that.

botanybay
botanybay

I don't love the guy. Matter of fact, I think his quick jump to a conclusion is curious. But I don't think the idea that armed drug gangs wandering in the desert is an absurd thought, nor do I think it absurd to expect them to potentially start shooting when someone stumbles upon them.

Don't you think the DPS might be doing an independent investigation if they thought something was fishy? It's their right to do so, being that the land where the shootout supposedly took place is located on state trust land.

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