Morning Poll: Should Gunmen in Beer-Robbery Shootings Have Been Criminally Charged?

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For the second time in two weeks, people are dead after they picked the wrong booze hound from whom they attempted to steal beer.

On August 27, a man tried to rob beer from 21-year-old Stefan Selvy. The guy hit Selvy with a wrench so Selvy shot and killed him.

He wasn't charged with a crime.

On Sunday, a group of suspected gang members tried to steal a keg from a party, to which they showed up uninvited.


After a scuffle -- and after the suspected gangsters revealed they were armed -- the homeowner, who had a permit to carry a concealed weapon, shot and killed two of the thugs, while their buddies made off with the keg.

The homeowner, like Selvy, was not charged with a crime.

Arizona's gun laws are lax, to say the least, but they're lax for a reason. That reason seems to be to prevent thugs from actin' the fool without consequences. The shooters in these cases seem justified in unloading on the bad guys but, we're sure, the anti-gun crowd might disagree.

So we want to know what you think: Should the shooters face criminal charges?

Here is your morning poll:


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botanybay
botanybay

"The guy hit Selvy with a wrench so Selvy shot and killed him."

The guy stole Selvy's coveted beer. When Selvy resisted, he got clocked with a wrench. Instead of calling the cops, Selvy made a separate decision to go back to his car, fetch his gun, and bring that gun to a man that was walking away. But once the guy saw that he was being pursued with a gun, he did about the only thing he could have done to then save his life. He clocked Selvy as he came around the corner. Roles were reversed. Robber became a victim and the victim became a murderer.

Black Ops
Black Ops

He should have been carrying his gun. Then no discussion now. I was surprised by that decision as well.

botanybay
botanybay

I suppose having his gun on his person would have made it harder for the situation to escalate separately, as he could have drawn it when the guy pulled the wrench the frst time.

But not charging this kid will send-out precisely the wrong message to all the state's other uneducated gun carriers... Namely that you can get into an altercation with a lawbreaker, go get your gun, and then get away with shooting the guy. This will lead to other people getting killed and future gun-owners getting charged with crimes, simply because they think this is a textbook example of why and when they are allowed to brandish their weapon. The cops and DA made a huge mistake here.

botanybay
botanybay

You need to have a poll for each. The guy defending his WIFE from being shot? He should not be charged. But Selvy decided to "keeps it real" and went back to the car to fetch his gun after being clocked with a wrench. He then brought the weapon into an entirely new situation, that of him "keepin it real". And he kept it so real, a guy ended up being murdered.

Alehound
Alehound

"Viva La Raz"BANG.BANG. Represent beaners. 2 for 1 specials for "In Loving Memory Of" window stickers at Food City this week. lol

Truthwillsetufree
Truthwillsetufree

BRANDON LEE BECK WAS A WHITE KID YOU LAME. A white kid got killed by a mexican in the shooting in Chandler over the keg.

Earthdayaz
Earthdayaz

"[A]nti-gun Crowd"? Mr. King, are you working for the NRA? There is no anti-gun crowd as far as I can determine, only the rhetoric from the NRA saying there is and trying to sell guns for their corporate masters (the Gun Manufacturers lobby).

I searched the internet, the library, the non-profit listings with the Arizona Corporation Commission and can find no group, let alone a "crowd", that lists among its goals "Anti-Gun." Where are you, an esteemed journalist, getting your information? Perhaps you could share it with the public - we have a right to know.

I did find a lot of pro gun safety groups and groups that are trying to save lives by keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of dangerous people (e.g., the criminally insane, dangerous felons, gun sales people who sell to drug cartels, etc.). Even the NRA supports those goals.

Here's an organization you may have provided your readers as a resource.

http://www.bradycampaign.org/

I've read every bit of this group's literature and NO WHERE do they advocate banning guns. They do support, as the NRA and practically every responsible gun owner does , keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of dangerous people.

Why don't you let the NRA put out it's own propaganda and let the people trying to reduce gun violence do their job.

Remember: among the 23 countries studied, 80% of all firearm deaths occurred in the United States; 86 % of women killed by firearms were U.S. women, and 87% of all children aged 0 to 14 killed by firearms were U.S. children.

U.S. homicide rates were 6.9 times higher than rates in the other high-income countries, despite similar non-lethal crime and violence rates (as reported in other studies). The firearm homicide rate in the U.S. was 19.5 times higher

http://www.bradycampaign.org/s...

Why don't you do a story on the Parents of Murdered Children group here in Phoenix. Find out what unchecked gun violence really does to people.

BTW - Kudos for the folks who are defending themselves in any way they feel is appropriate - I hate thieves!

vic
vic

When someone questions why the rest of the country thinks Arizona is backward and full of bigots, just read the statement above mine. It is nowonder that businesses don't want to invest here.

vic
vic

Make that, the comment Below my original one, Dans of the KKK.

Dankkk
Dankkk

it would be be even better if the ones that died were black

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