Guy Robs Booze From Another Guy, Who Shoots and Kills Robber

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Stefan Selvy
Some would argue that one of the great things about Arizona's fairly lax gun laws is that it makes criminals think twice before committing a crime. The thinking is that if a criminal thinks his or her victim -- or anyone close by -- has a gun, they'll reconsider whatever they're about to do.

That said, last night a Gilbert robbery suspect learned the hard way that he lives in the Grand Canyon State.


According to the Gilbert Police Department, 36-year-old Bobby Baughman tried to rob some booze from 21-year-old Stefen Selvy outside of a Circle K convenience store near Rittenhouse and Power roads just before 7 p.m.

At some point during the robbery, Baughman hit Selvy in the head with a wrench.

After being hit in the head, Selvy went to his car where he grabbed a pistol.

Selvy and Baughman got into another scuffle, at which point Selvy shot and killed Baughman.

Selvy was arrested at the scene on second-degree murder charges.

Police are still investigating the exact circumstances of the shooting and ask anyone who may have witnessed it, or come in contact with Baughman, contact the Gilbert Police Department at (480) 503-6500.

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Baughman_campa
Baughman_campa

FUCK ALL YOU GUY IF MY UNCLE WAS STILL HERE YOUR BROTHER WOULD BE DEAD ION THE MOST BRUTAL WAS POSSIBLE ! THERES ALWAYS 3 SIDES TO A STORY YOU GUYS JUST HERED ONE !

Gtmodel
Gtmodel

You should update your article. This man was released with no charges - and police have said this was justified self defense. You shouldn't be able to just smack people in the head with a wrench - and this guy got what was comin'.

Liberty4All
Liberty4All

Just read on AZ Central - 9/2/2010 - that the police said Stefan acted in self defense. As soon as the AG's office agrees, he'll be cleared. Glad to hear it! Nobody should have to wait for the cops to show up to protect them, you should be able to protect yourself! Defending yourself is a basic right. It's easy to speculate about all the details, but since you weren't there, you're only getting the info that the police released to the media. As far as booze and guns not mixing? He went to his car, so I would assume he was driving. There is nothing mentioned that he was drunk or had even consumed any alcohol prior to the incident. He could have been picking up a six pack on the way home from work. Let me get this straight botanbay, someone could beat the tar out of you with a wrench, take your wallet, phone, keys, whatever, and you'd run away until the police came? If there were more people like you in the world, there would be more criminals to take advantage of the easy prey! I don't know Stefan, but my sympathy goes out to him. I'm sure he's been through hell since this incident occured, and I'm sure that he'll have to live with the memory of this night for the rest of his life. I'm glad it turned out the way it did though, instead of how it could have. One solid blow to the temple could kill or worse, make you a veggie for the rest of your life. At 36, you should be able to buy your own beer and you should understand the possible reprecussions of assaulting someone. The deceased doesn't appear to have done much with his life. This young man has the world ahead of him. It would hvae been a shame if some common trash took that away.

Jessel_3
Jessel_3

well botanybay..lets say this again..it was not the booze that bobby stole it was his wallet..and deadly weapon...lol i have seen people get arrested for throwing shoes in fights and the police have considered that a deadly weapon so how is a wrench not a weapon and deadly at that hitting against someones head..one strike to the wrong part could have left my brother dead!!!! and about this law about a concealed weapon..concealed is a weapon hidden he could have carried it on his hip with everyone there to see it and that would not be considered a concealed weapon...so just cause it was in his car doesn't make it concealed...the new law has nothing to do with this case..so stop trying to bring it involved...before you could carry the weapon as long as you can see it..he didn't have it hidden under his shirt nothing..it was in his car..which was legal before the law as well.. and read the other articles and comments and you will eventually get the whole story....my brother is innocent..self defense.. and in the end i beleiove justice will be served..and everyone will know the truth!!!!!

Baughman_campa
Baughman_campa

@Jessel_3 Fuck you you don't know shit our my uncle ! 

botanybay
botanybay

Your brother could have just walked away from the guy and called the cops. The guy wasn't chasing your brother back to his car with the wrench in hand, was he? Your brother could have chosen to DRIVE the car AWAY (being that he'd gotten into his car). Just because your brother has a gun in the car doesn't mean that he has the right to bring it into the altercation. If he had a gun on his person and the guy was coming after him right then (wrench in-hand) then he might have a defense. But his decision to retreat to the car and get the gun instead of just getting away from trouble, that is what put him in this situation

In one sense, your brother is not to blame. This stupid law has only emboldened people (like him) into thinking that they can now take care of themselves in every situation. It sends the message that they SHOULD use their gun to settle things down. Instead, it virtually baits them into getting into situations where they can be charged with serious crimes. The open carry and concealed laws do not jibe well with the laws that exist in terms of a person's basic right to not get shot.

botanybay
botanybay

You only have the right to use reasonable force when defending yourself. If a guy decides to steal your booze, you don't have the right to raise a pistol in defense (unless he is also using a deadly weapon and you believe he might use it against you).

These recent changes to state law are going to create more sad situations like this one. Mainly that people can now open-carry concealed weapons with absolutely no requirement about taking a concealed firearms course. IN that course, they drill you will all of the TOUGH laws about just how much legal trouble you can get into with that weapon if you're not really cool, calm and collected about it. My guess is had Mr Selvy had this level of training, he might have been smart enough to just walk away and risk not getting his treasured booze back.

tg0214
tg0214

stefan was protecting himself...i've known him for years and i know for a FACT that he would never hurt anyone on purpose...this was an act of self defense and i would have done the same exact thing in his situation. my prayers are with stefan and his family during this time of need.

Jsaone
Jsaone

He might get away with it. He can always say he was just trying to get his property back, when the scuffle started. Then it became self-defense.

Alehound
Alehound

Well, the kid fucked up by chasing the a-hole around the store before shooting him. He's gonna get hammered in a most impolite way by the courts.

Jessel_3
Jessel_3

I will say this I am his sister..and the guy beat him with a wrench he grabbed the gun to protect himself from being beat the guy continued to beat him even after he grabbed him hit him again over the head with a wrench...its self defense..it is sad things ended the way it did..but if the man a 36 year old man had any sense at all he wouldn't be robbing people in the first place..he was 36 he had to have had some sense to not act like an idiot and expect someone not to defend them self just cause they looked like a kid...

Unknown_Baughman
Unknown_Baughman

Okay sister of a killer!! This is my uncle nd u have no right to be calling him n idiot u weren't there when it happen u jst jeered in side of the story so stop judging my uncle cause he's the nicest and kind hearted guy yeah he makes mistakes but everyone does nd ur brother killed my hero the guy I looked up too my uncle nd it dosent make it right at the end of the day that my uncles dead nd ur brother walked free!!!!

botanybay
botanybay

Sometimes, you have to let yourself get robbed. You don't have the right to kill the guy for robbing you, or even to prevent him FROM robbing you. Unfortunately, recent changes to state law leave a lot of people with the perception that you have the right to use deadly force to keep the upper-hand. Your brother had every opportunity to just let go and call the cops. Had he just let the booze go and called the cops, the cops would have come, saw a guy with the stolen booze in his hands, and that guy would have been in tent city.

GENO
GENO

I don't blame the kid for shooting the KKKrackpot KKKriminal. We all have the right to defend ourselves from perpetrating crime in the process. Trust me, I would have done the exact same thing. Especially if I was wacked with a wrench and robbed. This guy will be let off the hook, I'm sure. Potential KKKriminals need to be taught a lesson. Everybody's got a gun here. Sandland? I call it Gunland. Thanks to the racist redneck politiKKKos and the Repugnant Party.

botanybay
botanybay

Keepin' it real went wrong. Call the cops next time.

youngen
youngen

One thing you don't mix: men, alcohol and firearms. Arizona's done it again.

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