Synthetic Marijuana: Six Things You Should Know About Smoking JWH-018

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Herbal incense blends containing JWH-018 may soon be banned in Kansas.
Last week, we reported on a synthetic Cannabinoid compound called JWH-018, which is sold in herbal-incense blends at head shops around the Valley. Smoking this compound is said to have the same effect as smoking marijuana, which has led lawmakers in Kansas to seek a ban on the substance (check out this week's feature story about the substance and the proposed ban in our sister paper, Kansas City's Pitch Weekly).

In the spirit of journalistic research, we smoked several brands of herbal incense over the course of a month leading up to the news short linked above. And while JWH-018 is still legal in Arizona, there are a few other things you should know about smoking it:

1. Not all incense blends are created equal. There are dozens of herbal-incense blends containing JWH-018 on the market right now, and each one has slightly different herbal ingredients, ranging from damiana root and molasses to Siberian motherwort and honey. The herbal blend doesn't matter compared to the amount of JWH-018 in the blend, and while no brands list the exact amount of the compound in their incense, some herbal incense blends seem to be more potent than others. The strongest blends we tried were Serenity Now, Puff, and Spice.

2. JWH-018 is more expensive than real pot. Most of the herbal-incense blends containing JWH-018 are sold in one-gram bags, for about $25 each. The street value for potent strains of marijuana ("chronic") is about $14 a gram.

3. Herbal incense blends are harsh. These herbal aromatherapy blends with JWH-018 are not marketed as something to smoke, which might explain why they all taste like crap. But the effects on the throat and lungs are worse than the dirt-and-dung flavor. Granted, smoking anything is not good for one's respiratory system, but smoking herbal incense can make your throat burn and your lungs ache, hours after the last hit.

4. JWH-018 does not mix well with alcohol. Most drugs don't mix well with alcohol, but having a glass or two of wine with JWH-018 can exacerbate hangovers and cause headaches at the base of the skull that last for hours.

5. It doesn't give you "the munchies." While some smokers have reported getting extremely hungry after puffing JWH-018, others (us included) didn't have any urges to cram cupcakes into their faces. Marijuana's known for inducing the munchies, but JWH-018 doesn't seem to feed the need for Cheetos.

6. The high last no more than 30 minutes. The effects of smoking JWH-018 don't last long -- probably an average of 10 minutes, or half an hour at best for the more potent herbal blends. It doesn't seem to take much more than a hit or two off a pipe to trigger JWH-018's heady high, but the feeling won't last beyond a single episode of South Park.

(For our ongoing coverage of synthetic marijuana products and news, check out our "Buzz Buzz" blog at Phoenix New Times' arts and culture blog, "Jackalope Ranch.")

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Zodd_The_Immortal
Zodd_The_Immortal

Not to mention that JWH-018 is highly addictive in comparison to marijuana. I've seen lots of weed smokers go way down hill because of this stuff, and they all swear it's as addicting as crack, and the withdrawals are intense. It also leads to sleep disturbances and a lack of appetite. My chubby friend lost about 20-30 pounds when we was smoking the stuff hardcore, he stopped eating and being able to sleep. I don't care what any of these fools have to say about it, they are addicts in denial. I've seen multiple people's health take a serious decline because of this stuff.

Spicehead
Spicehead

lol, none of you can handle the spice huh? weak ass niggas

alexmjacob
alexmjacob

Oh my - the marvels of the modern media system. I smoke/ vaporize JWH-018 in pure chemical form (and occasionally my homemade blends), and it is clear to me this reporter has no idea what he is talking about. He claims he smoked several brands of incense in the spirit of "journalistic research"? Please. The majority of his claims fly straight in the face of reality. The first thing that the reporter failed to mention is that the "dozens of herbal-incense blends" do not contain ONLY JWH-018 as implied. Commercial synthetic cannabinoid blends contain a very wide variety of legal gray-area chemicals such as JWH-122, AKB48, UR144, and AM2201 blended with various herbs. Producers of these blends have a wide profit margin; a gram of pure JWH ($40) can be applied to over an ounce of plant material (28g) and each gram of blend is resold for half that price. In other words, 1000mg of pure JWH-018 is the same price as ~20mg JWH-018 in a spice blend. Such is why I ALWAYS buy pure chemical. Another detail that made me question the reporter's legitimacy is his inaccurate depiction of the high. JWH-018 is a full CB agonist wheras THC is a partial CB agonist and so the high is generally stronger and the side effects more pronounced. I found that the JWH-018 high induces more "munchies" than it's natural cousin and the after effects to be longer (with longer lasting "burnout" symptoms, tiredness etc.) while it also has a stronger euphoric rush as well. In addition, the reporter claims the high lasts no more than 30 minutes, while I find it to last about the same as cannabis (1-1.5 hours). However, JWH-018 does cause cannabinoid tolerance to raise considerably faster than cannabis.

natureislife
natureislife

I work for a smoke shop and have seen first hand the damaging affect of this man made product. First off, everyone is different in their side affect because our chemical make up is different. The high is very addicting and because it only last a few minutes ( less if you are a heavy user) you want and physical need more. If the product is not available some people get insanely angry, or start shaking, sweating, having hot flashes, body aches, headaches, horrible smelling bowel movements, memory and vision loss, weak teeth and hair, that's just to name a few. Honestly, this stuff WILL KILL you in the long run, or be one of those people who die the very first time they use, because they think venom is the best. I have noticed the younger users under 30 have a higher chance of some severe side effects. . Don't share with anyone that's never tried it or the specific kind you use, because I have seen one product work for one and the other  person went bat shit crazy, you don't want that on your hands especially at work. I know users who one hit all through the day at work. the smell can be easily blend in a room full of smokers , or air freshener mask the smell indoors. People will trade their own mother in for a bag, or anything of value even if its a family air loom. ALWAYS wants a deal because they spend hundreds of dollars on the product nickel and diming. You spend money in walmart but are they going to throw out free money...hell no! Its a business. its not the employees  fault you cant control your addiction we hear that crap everyday that's why incense providers are rude and want you out as soon as possible. The effects on brain damage is a given, you will forget even your change at the register. I know other smokes shops feel me. And believe me, you are making these business owners very rich off the health and wealth of your hard earned time and money. We would never hire a person who uses, so don't ask! We know its bad, so we don't use it. And if your only excuse for using it is because your job or probation..thats loser talk. .You should have a nasty cough that last for several minutes through out the day because thats all you do. You don't care for people that smoke weed because the incense has over powered your neurotransmitter and the weed is to weak to penetrate, and it expands in the lungs so all you do is cough the whole time. If you quit or get a vaporize ( for weed) the cough will stop. Also this other side effect is happening with this new product line where peoples blood is getting thicker and causing heart problems and finger and toes turning black from loss of blood flow and the end result are amputations because of over use. the ones I see 2 or 3 times a day in the shop better beware if this sound like you...you are a slave to this crap! No more reality because incense is all you know and all you live for. you cant sleep because you need that hit to keep from sweating or to go back to sleep just to wake up ever hour to smoke again. Its a on going cycle, where only the strong willed  people might have a chance to escape  this monster of an addiction . So take it from someone who knows and sees it everyday. The best thing for you to do is put that money right back in your pocket and get the fu ck out!!! You have be warned!!! And its a federal offense now effected May 15, so you better know your shops product.   Oh and pregnant women....really! your just asking for trouble!

reachbryanpaul
reachbryanpaul

Ok guys, I've been an avid pothead for about 5 years an i am 21 now so I started roughly about 15-16 years old. Just a few days ago i lost my job so now I'm on the hunt and you know what that means.... No more weed. So my cousin is pretty big on this stuff called "legal weed" and I mean I never would have thought i would ever resort to it because come on you got a bowl of kush or a bowl of incense your gonna smoke the kush right? Well anyways no kush this time just incense. I take 1 hit and I mean 1 hit, the key is to hold your breath for best effects, anyway this is my first time ever hitting this stuff. Then it hits me... My hearts pounding i lost all sense of thought I could only think keep breathing keep breathing keep breathing... It was intense!!! But I liked it. Turns out my aunt down the road is big seller for this stuff she had all kinds like angry birds wolf pack mind eraser and venom which I had smoked the first time. Well they were out of venom so I scored me the wolf pack and it wa 20 bux for about 5 grams of it i mean I got a bunch of it way too much if you ask me. I know they were sellin at local convenience stores for 40$ which is way overpriced. But I've been smoking this wolf pack for about 3 days now an its great i get the munchies and its really nice!!! The only problem I had was I started getting a headache about the end of the day on Saturday after smoking all day so obviously just slow it down and I think this stuff is great for temporary use long term use be careful it seems very addicting, and the short highs cause really bad cravings. Just e careful and use in moderation and I think its ok!!! Be very careful though you never know if your allergic to what they put in these bags. If possible stick with weed or nothin at all live sober!!! This is fun for a weekend but I think I'm gonna throw the rest away its too weird and unreal.

PuPuPudding
PuPuPudding

It's like watching a fat lady order a supersized meal and blaming the worker for her obeseity because he/she served the food.

It's like hearing ppl talk about something they know nothing about.

It's like Religion.

Stormysea06
Stormysea06

I can only confirm what a few people have already mentioned. I live with a cannabis addict who has tried to hide his problem from me for over 6 years. For 3 years I have known now (I tend to believe what people tell me, so he got away with a lot of lies). I have caught him out time and time again. He switched to replacements a few years ago. "Happy High Herbs" the shops are called in Oz, but there's nothing happy about his state.


Incessant coughing, generally health deteriorating, the least of the problem in bed...


I'm leaving in 2 weeks. I won't watch him self destruct as I know he will. Anyone liviing with someone who just won't stop. LEAVE, Don't waist the years like I have. If they are hiding it, leave even quicker. THis one here, he's trying to live a double life. Partially mine, pursuing  a healthy lifestyle, and the other part wanting to be 'medicated' as he calls it. 

Well, bloody hell, if your partner is only functioning while being numbed, get rid of them, find someone who is HERE with YOU.


Chris Rasmussen
Chris Rasmussen

New Times can you get anymore irresponsible. Pathetic.

Jose Vásquez
Jose Vásquez

HELL Nah' .....Cmon Man......its a natural flower ..nyet( not) a chemical ...or a synthetic ......

Mo Sberg
Mo Sberg

its like mixing 12 energy drinks and drinking them all in 5 mins. overload. Hell no, never.

mtbazhiker
mtbazhiker

You guys are idiots for sampling this poison. Not very professional. Makes New Times reporters look like juveniles.

dhgufiufdhgdjuh
dhgufiufdhgdjuh

I read almost all these comments and see that it effects people differently . have you even wondered how it effects the loved ones around you ? My man and I have been together for a year and he has been smoking spice for two . So how am I suppose to come into his life and tell him to quit . He wasn't as bad as he is with it now as he was when we first started dating . At first he smoked whenever he had the money to and he acted normal just regular high like of weed  . From the start we were together 24/7 so i seen the changes in him . In the beginning he was okay then after three or four months he started hustling and panehandling when he didnt have the money for spice . I started to see him become addicted , he couldnt go one day without smoking it . But then shit started getting worse when we moved in together after 10 months he started becoming abusive on it , become extemely mad if he didnt have any and take it out on me . Call me names . push me around ..... Treat me like total shit . He didnt give a fuck about anything expect spice .He lost his job and start depending on me to give him money for it . And Stupidly I did .... I tried to do everything I can to keep him happy .... thats what you do if you love someone right ???? but then again If I love him like I do I shouldnt because this stuff is changing him he bcecame depend it on it hes not the same person anymore . But I know if I  tell him its either me or the spice .......... hes gonna say your gonna leave me for spice , then fuck you , bye . And part of the reason im not leaving is cause I feel like hes killing himself with  this shit , if i leave hes just going to rot . He doesnt even take care of himself anymore so im there doing it for him  . He barely touches me or talks to me and when he does its him telling me what to do or get money for him or him calling me names. I dont think I can do this anymore . Im tired of watching him rock back in forth and nod off on this shit and drool on himself like a junky . Hes better then this . And i hate myself for just sitting there and watching him do this . hesss like a zombie the only time he goes out of the room is to get spice then hes back on his bed hitting the bong fading away .... he has no emotions except anger now . And he tells me feels like something wrong with his brain but wont let me take him to doctor or hospital . He has bad meomry loss hell forget about what happened a couple days and hes only 18 . Hes not only killing himself hes also killing me too

240speed
240speed

spice is some crazy stuff its not the headache loss of apetite loose valves that im worried about. 90% of the time i love it nice trip just floating relaxing but every once in a while i have a bad trip thats lasted for 2 hours instead of the 30 minute quick good high. READ THIS in this bad trips i feel like i am looking at life from gods eyes or maybe aliens i feel that someone has given me the awnsers to life and i could see into the future i look at myself and other humans as creatures just surviving like insects in this world (ants, flies, etc) i ve came to believe that ther is no end to this world (domse day) i believe that we are our own demise and we are cursed to live in our own hell for eternity. we simply keep evolving. i feel ive seen the future where we are more creature like (think angels) we can fly we have no cloths because evolution has made weather absolite. so we need no cloths from it. we are stronger smarter faster everything that comes from evolving on this planet from years and years and years of eternity. and the enemy on life is us ,eachother killing, diseas, and just survival of the fitest. and ther is a hiigher power that exist and every once in a while creates miracles. like curing diseas and ultimately chosing the ones that will live on when when we have destroyed ourselfs completely. only for those chosen to suffer all over again that because of reproduction and more evolving evil and life just keeps going in cylcles. in my future ther is no more money jobs technologie. it is alot more primitive cave men just surviving but only because of evolution we are smarter WE know everything so ther is nothing that entertains us or intrests us like (tv,movies,) or material things u could buy from money we have no more need for this stuff because of evolution so that is is the awnser to life we are here because of evolution and we will always be here for eternity because of evolution. SO YEA SPICE IS SOME CRAZY STUFF. MAYBE ALIENS OUR JUST SIMPLY EVOLVED CREATURES OF US THAT HAVE DISCOVERD TIME TRAVEL. MY EMAIL IS JMJPOWER@HOTMAIL.COM

Pleasestoppeople
Pleasestoppeople

I have 2 sisters that smoke this legal stuff. One sis has lost everything cause it is all she wants to do. She drools now and her 2 daughters are living wherever they can find a place to sleep. She doesn't have them in school at all and cps is looking for her, they want a mental evaluation. She begs for money to buy this synthetic crap. My other sister is a nurse and her husband smokes it. He doesn't even want to have sex anymore. All he cares about is this crap. She is gonna divorce him over it. Her daughter tried it and had convulsions. This shit sh be illegal! Leave it alone people. Have a glass of wine or something!!

maxonepercent
maxonepercent

I have a very close friend who got way into this stuff, like smoking it throughout the day every day for about a year.  Within a few months he started hearing voices and it was all downhill from there.  He spent sometime in the county psych hospital, lost custody of his kid and he is homeless now.  Things seem to be improving, he is in a shelter and stopped using drugs, but he has lost so much because of this drug, it is really sad.

angelcvixen63
angelcvixen63

I do warm you about this pleasant high. I tried this smoke and really enjoyed it! The first time I did feel " too high" after 2 hits but tried it again and loved the price, the consistent high and availability. I assume most smokers do not get regular MRI's of the brain but I had to recently due to bad head aches and a slow lose of vision. What was found has changed my life forever! I will never be the same!! There was lesions on my brain which prompted 3 more MRI's in the last month. I wasn't a hardcore smoker. Not at all but, this affected me with damage that can never be reversed! I will never be me again! Despite knowing and living with this, I still crave it! This sucks! Please be careful!!! My world as I knew it is over. My Nerologist has explained that he sees it all the time! The after affects continue to haunt me....

jeremiemnevill87
jeremiemnevill87

Synthetics are very dangerous our bodies are meant for natural stuff not man-made bs there is other safe herbs out there you can smoke and mix together to get high with out damaging your heart, I had to learn the hard way, I almost died on the stuff called spike from Amsterdam, and I have tried others and they make my head would feel like its on fire to throwing me into a panic attack to heart hurting, stick to nature and that doesn't mean everything nature provides is for smoking! Those products have been hurting people to killing them because its legal doesn't mean its safe look and cigarettes and alcohol yes they are drugs! Its man who takes a safe herb and calls it a drug when its a healing herb!

birdiegolden
birdiegolden

AK47 - Good, medium high.  If you're new to smoking, take one small hit and wait about 5 minutes to let yourself adjust to it.

doo-dee
doo-dee

25 dollaz for a fuckkin Gram !? Hell no! Y'all outta line. That's dro prices right there. Shit down here in Austin, TX we can buy 11g of a bag of Kush for 20 mutha fukkin dollaz !!!!

Millbill75
Millbill75

Has any one herd of all-spec is any good or not?

Menakings
Menakings

There are no proven health effects. And i love it. And i smoke whatever is legal. Im not a badass who wants to have a record.

joy
joy

You guys are all f*cking stupid for smoking that sh*t! It will fry your brain if it doesn't fry your lungs first. I have watched it destitute lives. My true love hasn't been the same since he started. The addiction is worse than crack. He has relapsed so many times. He is about to lose everything because of it. What happens to smoking weed? I'm on probation and I smoke everyday. My friends and I got real good jobs and still do it. Can't use the legal issue cause the sh*t is illegal now in Wi!

Beautifuldisaster0703
Beautifuldisaster0703

one thing is my high lasted for over two hours. I was freaking out when I smoked it. I thought  was dying. I dont recommend it at all. After I finally calmed down I still was a little jumpy. That is a never again thing..

Spicehead
Spicehead

Demon, Diablo, Kush, 1st gen. Bullet, Mad Hatter, G-13, not g-20 and scooby snacks. Best name brands

Yakofujimato
Yakofujimato

Number 2 is TOTALLY wrong! JWH is MUCH cheaper than "real weed" JWH is very cheap! You falsely, and stupidly, cite the price of the K2 as the price of the JWH. That's like saying sugar costs 4 dollars an ounce because there is an ounce of sugar in a 4 dollar box of Captain Crunch. Non logic here! Do some research a gram of JHW yields over 25 grams of weed for about sixty dollars!

Spicehead
Spicehead

Dude I can get 10 grams of cloud nine for 20 dollars

Yakofujimato
Yakofujimato

Did some idiot here actually say "that way you don't inhale any acetone"?? Hey stupid! Acetone completely evaporates and allows the JHW to absorb into the leaves! There is no acetone left in the leaves you moron! lol!

Mr-4dubbin
Mr-4dubbin

apparently none of you are pro status smoker. i actually got a little bit of experience with smoke an being high. (i smoke on average a quarter oz a day) currently im quitting temporarily for a drug test for a new job an iv been smoking spice. now if u remember the first time u smoked weed you get paranoid. i know i did cause i cried. ITS THE SAME DAMN FEELING WITH SPICE. everyone gets that paranoid feeling when ur high off something for the first time. when u fight the high u make it worse cause its not going away till it wears off. just accept the high an enjoy it. personally i love that paranoia that i get. it really makes my high. just have fun with it really, accept it an youll love it. 

and who in their right mind pays more than ten bucks for a gram of weed? i get 8ths for twenty on average for some purple urkel or jack the ripper. an i live in the most ghetto town you can find.(stockton, ca) oh an my spice comes from the head shop at 5 bucks a gram.

Colt45&2ziggzags
Colt45&2ziggzags

I don't know where you guys live but you pay way more for incense than anybody around where i live. They sell 3 grams for $10, 5 grams for $20 and 10 gram bags for $40. They sell things from Caution, Spike, Cloud 9, Diablo, Scooby Snax all the way to Mad Hatter. But i would advice not to smoke any of the incense because they cause serious medical brain damage. I've known people who had seizures for smoking so much of it, one kid had to get his throat sliced open because he had a cist in his throat due to smoking so much and they DO have piss tests specifically for incense just to be aware.

jacob
jacob

I have a theory... smoking it cause symptoms that relate to real marijuana right? Ok well does anyone ever smoke it and it shits on you? Sometimes when it shits on me I feel like a stem is caught in my throat and I can feel it slowly move down my throat. That's when the horrible side effects kick in... panic attacks feeling of death rapid irregular heartbeat loss of almost all vision vomiting twitching stomach pains diahrea the next morning and at first with diablo and pure 100% evil SEVERE NOSE BLEEDS.... could we be swallowing certain ingredients and in turn receiving these nasty side effects? I surely believe so. . . Not for human consumption right?

Stewiehop
Stewiehop

I got some for free today in school, makes me very paranoid

Guest
Guest

Everyone say's "it only last for like 30 min" well...I just had a buddy last night say that and last night he enjoyed some Mr. Nice Guy with myself and two other friends. Well we were outside in the woods and we were walking down a trail. After about 20 minutes the same guys who said it only lasts a little bit had fainted. He woke up and was fine and then go limp for 5 minutes at a time and then go limp. He did this about 5 times. We then tried to walk him back to the house. He fell asleep when we got back, woke up like 3 hours later still high and wanting another bowl. Mr. Nice Guy and Space Cadet are two very potent products.

Shoujoai42
Shoujoai42

Ok....shit's about to get real. First of all, not one person can tell you how a substance affects you unless they've done it themselves. Sure you can be an observer to someone else who's ingested it. But the reality of the matter is they are not experiencing truth by observation. If you think it's going to affect you badly, and are apprehensive about it, OF COURSE it's going to send you into a bad trip. It's called 'the fear'. I have a vast knowledge of many things hallucinogenic, and countless other psychoactives. I speak from a broader plain of intellect than your average Joe, and my viewpoint on this whole matter is if you don't know what you are doing, you deserve the punishment. You bring it on yourself, YOU decided to take the trip. This chemical? Nothing compared other hallucinogens. Spread the word of your biased and ignorant beliefs if you want, any intellect will see through it. THAT, my friend is is the cold truth. I've seen pure fucking idiots think they knew what LSD was going to do to them, take two hits and literally claw their fucking face off and proclaim that they were dying. Tripping is not for the uneducated non-user. Research. Learn something new. The plants you tread on in your back yard more than often contain psychoactive chemicals ready to be harvested only by those who see the treasure that the Earth has given us. The knowledge of the unatainable, the divine. DMT look that up. Canary grass, acacia (maiden's wattle), these all contain DMT. You wanna get closer to the heavens?? You wont get there by crossing your fingers and groveling for forgiveness to some ethereal misconstrued apparition fueled by ignorance of the masses. Try MIND EXPANSION....But then again, those of you out there that just aren't on the same plain of intellect are only going to revert back to " That is evil! Because I've seen what it does to people!" . Well. Those people just didn't know what they were doing. As a human being, we reserve the right to alter our own minds any way we want. Alcohol kills more than any drug. Ever heard of mushrooms? Psilocybin mushrooms. Never killed a person in all of history, and won't either. Any one who's had a difference in opinion is sadly mislead. Now, how about we all just shut the fuck up and try to educate ourselves instead of speaking out of ignorance and confusing the people who are just curious and might want to get a closer view on reality, or rather, what is not reality. My advice? Just be careful and closely research your substance before using, If you try incense, take a small hit first, wait a minute to see if you can feel anything, and judge your dosage from there. Please be smart people.

em1nem13
em1nem13

@Stormysea06 cannabis addict? the only thing i dont get is why someone would hide the fact they smoke weed,on second thought YOU are the problem

thebreed
thebreed

@dhgufiufdhgdjuh 

Hello,

Thought I should reply to this post as you have just described a very simular situation which I have found myself in but I am the herbal smoker, I am the one with that problem and have been through all the same motions that you described.

I have smoked illegal cannaibis for a long time and thought I should try some incense at first it blew my head off so i used it very mildly and only at weekends but i quickly got use to smoking it and now were'nt that keen on the affects of the real thing so i began only smoking incense. my motivation disappeared I was no longer in touch with my emotions or other peoples and was always thinking of spice - now and again whilst coughing my guts up I would take a look at myself and thing wtf are you doing? but then find excuses and carry it on,and another 5 months fly by,  I was waking up at night for a hit on my bong.

I have recently found the courage to admit to my partner that I have this addiction - even though she already thought it was a problem I would tell her its fine and everythings ok and that  its ok because im not smoking weed.

I knew within that I have not been my normal self and hadnt been for some time, i didnt enjoy company like I use to, I felt as tho I was secretly killing myself, I always wanted to get home from being out so i could smoke, I knew something was wrong with me and knew exactly what it was, I had to give this shit up so here I am.

I poured my heart out on table and I told her I am a mess and it needs to stop. I have now stopped it for only 3 days but they were 3 horrible days, my emotions have now come to surface and I have been quite emotional, my appetite all over the place but after a couple more days I will no longer have the urge . i really Do feel for you because I feel that what you wrote is what my gf would have written if she  were to have cried for help. 

I hope you have your partner back and you have sorted it out.

Love& Peace



thebreed
thebreed

@240speed that is very interesting what you write.

what herbal did you smoke?

My friend on his first ever hit of herble on a bong he went all weird on it and crashed out for about 40 mins and when he came back he thought he had all the answers, he kept saying "you dont even know" and he said it was all codes or somthing.

I myself have had a salvia experience this changed my perspective of reality itself.

gopack2012
gopack2012

Substance addictions are mainly the result of underlying issues. I have multiple friends that smoke this regularly and they are hard working and perfectly capable of doing anything, even when they're high. Peoples lives get ruined over alcohol too, so maybe you should make a pitch for bringing back prohibition. I can't stand when people need something to blame other than their own choices for their problems. I'm sure your sister and brother in law weren't batting a thousand before this "ruined their lives". Pleasestoppeople

sundrop42
sundrop42

@doo-dee  ur dumb and a liar 11g for 20? thats bs and you know it 

angelcvixen63
angelcvixen63

@Menakings read my story, I beg you! - Angel

angelcvixen63
angelcvixen63

@joy oh girl, my life is over!! Due to this smoke! Lost my sight in one eye, brain lesions proven by MRIs. Stick to weed! This stuff took me from my family!!

birdiegolden
birdiegolden

If the US would legalize pot already, these designer drugs wouldn't be popular and causing 3x as much harm as marijuana.

birdiegolden
birdiegolden

Lol, you live in a state where pot is nearly legal.  It's no surprise you're only paying $20 for 1/8 of goodies :P  Minnesota, not so much.

hemihead426x
hemihead426x

@Shoujoai42 id like to  use this on my fb

PuPuPudding
PuPuPudding

@gopack2012 

I agree with you. Let's not jump to conclusions until it happens to you right?

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