Chemtrails: Strong Competitor for Dumbest Conspiracy Theory Ever

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contrail clutter.jpgMost conspiracy theories are so ridiculous, it's hard to choose which are the least plausible or which faces the higher mountain of opposing evidence.

Some seem within the realm of the possible, such as the ones that surround the assassination of JFK, the Pearl Harbor attack or the murder of Princess Di.

Others, like the absurd theories about the 9/11 attacks, rampant alien abductions, faked moon landingsJewish world domination and Biblical creationism can be dismissed by reasonable people within minutes of hearing their proponents' arguments.

The so-called "chemtrails" theory, espoused by Valley guitarist Carole Pellatt, lands solidly in the latter category. Simply put, the idea that secret agents are using jumbo jets to spray the whole world with toxins for some nefarious purpose is opposed by common sense, contrary evidence, lack of supporting evidence and sheer implausibility.

The theory has at least a few dozen supporters who know how to use a computer. Our recent blog post about Pellatt and chemtrails has received 127 comments as of this morning.

Most of the commenters are strong believers in the chemtrails conspiracy and took us to task for the minimal research we did before declaring the theory "debunked."

We feel our level of research was far more than sufficient, given the subject matter. But we decided to spend another hour or so reviewing the post's comments, reading some of the Internet reports -- both pro and con -- on chemtrails and e-mailing one of the ardent supporters of the theory for comment.

We had an interesting conversation with Dave Mason of southern California, the person we e-mailed who uses the handle "freedomfighter4theplanet" for his blog comments. And we came to understand something about these chemtrail believers.

Their real enemy isn't the toxins they believe are being sprayed by waves of sinister jumbo jets.

What they are really scared of is skepticism.

Mason, when confronted with a healthy dose of questions, seems to writhe on the phone like a vampire being dragged into sunlight. Our first question for Mason was why the government would be spraying people with poison. In a move typical of believers in disproven, illogical ideas, Mason tries desperately to change the subject.

What he wants to talk about are his unending questions: Why won't the government take his claims seriously? Why would a Raytheon-owned airplane working for the military fly in circles for hours without landing? Why can't he inspect that airplane when it lands? Why would he be arrested if he threw chemicals out of his car window, yet no one seems to care that government jets are showering particles of heavy metals on people?

When New Times attempted to show Mason some of his questions might have perfectly mundane answers -- don't some planes fly in circles to monitor weather? -- Mason got upset.

"It's military -- classified! Got it?" he pouts.

voodoo1.jpgWhen asked why he thinks the Raytheon airplane is suspicious, beyond the fact that it's flying in circles, he hesitates to give an answer, perhaps wary of how corny it may sound. New Times presses, and Mason says the plane -- which, admittedly, does bear the spooky name of "VOODOO1" -- is suspicious "because we're not allowed to look at this plane to see what it is doing."

Finally, he admits he wants to see the plane because he thinks something "sinister" could be going on.

"I think they are putting barium, aluminum and titanium into the atmosphere," he says. "I think (VOODOO1) is one of the planes."

His theory for why "they" are putting the metals in the sky: To turn clouds into communications devices. Worldwide.

"I think it's the United Nations, not just the United States," Mason says.

New Times points out there's a big problem with this theory: Valley air quality monitors don't show high concentrations of barium, aluminum and titanium particles in our air.

Mason immediately changes the subject. Now he wants to talk about a government program to monitor clouds for the aerosols he believes are being sprayed. He points New Times to a government Web site for something with the ominous-sounding name of "Indirect and Semi-Direct Aerosol Campaign."

cloud study.jpgHe urges us to look at the canister on the wing of an airplane in a picture (at left) on the Web site.

But there's nothing remotely scary about the canister, New Times tells him. The site says this equipment collects particles in the air to determine their effect on climate change. That's a good thing, isn't it?

At that point, Mason grew hysterical and hung up on New Times. He proceeded to write a new comment on the blog post about Pellatt (his fifth? sixth?) claiming we're a "lost cause."

Pellatt wrote four comments on the post. In one, she claims we must be either "insane" or "in the paid service of the industrial complex."

In responding to one skeptical reader's comment that one only need read a physics book to prove "chemtrails" is wrong, Pellatt's comments show just how far deep she's in:

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William, please give me the name of the book that proves there is no aerosol spray program...

Of course, like me, I know you checked into who the author, authors, or organization was that authored and published the book, and then checked them out to make sure they have no ties to the Government, National Science Institute, EPA, NASA, National Weather Service etc. Because we know that NASA-just go to their web pages-is the lead organization in the National Weather Service's "Weather Modification Program". That's public knowledge. It's only a conspiracy theory in the mind of ignoramuses.

Nowhere in any of the 127 comments do the supporters of the chemtrails conspiracy theory offer any evidence of their theory, nor do they even fully outline what that theory is. Failing to explain details is a trick common to many proponents of wacky theories, and it's used to avoid scrutiny. Creationists do this all the time, because saying you believe in the vague notion of "intelligent design" sounds a lot less nuts than saying you believe baby dinosaurs rode with Noah on the Ark.

Some commenters presented what they see as evidence for the theory. For instance, "Doug" lists "facts" that include an alleged Wall Street Journal article about Russian "weather modification" experiments and the astonishing news that "almost all wildfires have been well documented as burning hotter and with more intensity than at any other time in recorded history."

No evidence is offered for the wildfire claim, which makes sense because the statement collapses under the weight of its own silliness. 

What's really lame here is that there is real science behind contrails, which are formed when jet exhaust condenses in cold air, but these seemingly smart people would rather focus on unprovable nonsense. As the picture at the top of this blog post shows, jet contrails have become ubiquitous with the huge increase of air traffic in recent decades of air traffic. The contrails cause more cirrus clouds in the sky, which trap heat and lead to more warming on the ground.

There's another real problem lurking in jet exhaust: Carbon emissions, which the world's top scientists say are leading to global warming.

Plus, piles of white lines cluttering up what would otherwise be a mostly blue sky could be considered a type of visual pollution -- ugly, but not as disturbing as the rumbling noise pollution the engines also put out.

But to look at the peaceful contrails floating in the sky most days and perceive them as some kind of death-rain attack by our own government -- that's just sad. -- Ray Stern


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rick4electric
rick4electric

Contrails DO NOT form clouds, but Chemtrails DO! Anyone who has the time can watch the sky each day and the planes that traverse it. They will notice if they are patient, that on SPECIAL DAYS, there is more activity up in the sky. These SPECIAL PLANES don't cross the sky and disappear along with their VAPOR TRAILS like on most days. No THESE PLANES travel back and forth across the sky with NO APPARENT DESTINATION! And LO & BEHOLD something else is STRANGE about THESE PLANES. Their VAPOR TRAIL DOES NOT DISAPPEAR! NO! It gets bigger and bigger and bigger until it FORMS A HAZE in the sky and BEGINS TO CONNECT to the OTHER NON-DISAPPEARING VAPOR TRAILS! Now YOU can TELL THE DIFFERENCE between commercial jet airplanes and CHEMJET PLANES! Wasn't THAT easy?

julieparisiart
julieparisiart

This author is either paid to shut this down, or simply can't look up.  Maybe he has neck problems.  You should be ashamed of yourself for this article.  Any thinking person who remembers what the blue skies used to look like in Phoenix yr round and now they are filled with multiple jets spraying chemicals to "modify weather" knows this to be true.

Weather modification, aka spraying chemicals and heavy metals out of jets into the atmosphere that cause global dimming, health problems for all animals, destabilizing our health, crops, water is deadly serious.  The chemicals are shown to be above safe limits by hundreds and thousands of times in testing (depending on which chemical/metal we are speaking about) done on soil samples and tested in a local lab in Phoenix.  The spraying is done by multiple aircraft staying in the same area, often in a grid pattern so that the chemicals move about into a flowy, cloudy, but not cloud-like haze. It fills the whole sky, and covers the sun, making it unable to be seen.

You are truly sad.  The fact this was printed by an organization I normally admire for its honesty-again sad.  Chemtrails are real.  I have seen photos of how the planes are modified on the insides in Southern AZ.  Pilots who have done this have come forward in forums for those in the aviation industry/aviators.   I have many photos I could share with you taken by myself from Phoenix to Virginia Beach, VA, all showing the same thing: chemtrails, not contrails.


Even the govt. of Germany has admitted this to be true.  RETRACT AND DO SOME ACTUAL RESEARCH.

rmckissock
rmckissock

this article just proves the ignorance some people have. Does this article have any proof that chemtrails are fake, of course not.  The best the author has is name calling character assassination and his ignorant opinion, and that's it. He's shows no soil sample test or air quality evaluations and he believes that by using words like nutjob wins his argument. The only nutjob's that i can tell would be anybody that would base their opinion on what this fool's opinion. Really? how scientific can you be calling people nutjobs. The ignorance of this guy is blinding !

Blackie
Blackie

Hi, I work in the geo-engineering atmospheric aerosols field.  Please continue to debunk and disclaim "chemtrails", it helps us to continue to do our work without pressure from the general population.  Our programs are well funded and individual salaries are fantastic! If you have noticed, the use of sulfuric acid and other chemicals high in the atmosphere is cooling the planet and we are reversing some of global warming, hence the Operation Mockingbird related media articles where you see the "climate scientists"  stating they "can't figure out" what is slowing global warming and returning the ice sheets to health.  All we do is for you and the planet.  True, it is dangerous, and IS poisonous, that is why the programs will continue to be "denied".  yet, as you can plainly see (no pun intended), it works!  Viva Obama! http://undergroundrecords.org/sound/

facepalm
facepalm

The percentage of nutjobs to sane people in this comment section is really disheartening... having just heard about the "chemtrail" conspiracy a few days ago, I really couldn't believe anyone would buy into such garbage, but there are many who do. Nice work Mr. Stern, although it's wasted effort I'm afraid. These bozos don't want rationality, for some reason they NEED to cling to these conspiracy theories, no matter how embarrassing they are.

docsab
docsab

PART 5 FINAL

 SOMETHING is up. It's OUR JOB to notice. We as citizens are saying... HEY... WE SEE SOMETHING HAPPENING. It almost looks like a normal thing.... a plane passes in the sky. But you tell me... what plane airport pattern creates a box pattern of white lines that form clouds?  I am sick of the BS.... open your eyes... and if you are part of the deception... then shame on you!

Don't ask us.. individuals with limited resources to prove everything we see.... WE SEE IT. LET YOUR EYES BE YOUR WITNESS! If you saw a drunk driver hit a kid on a bike... you saw it. You know it happened....  like the planes in the sky leaving those intricate patterns..... you see it. It's happening. Call us names... link Harvey Oswald to the KOOKS  that see planes leaving lines in the sky.... use every tactic the Left can use to silence the dissenter.... but, in the end the truth WILL come out. May God help those that hurt the innocents.... and trusting.

docsab
docsab

PART 4

Don't tell me that the old planes  did the same thing.... they didn't. When they polluted... it was evident. They left black smoke in the sky. That's gone. You can belittle us.... call us names... try to embarrass us, but, thinking people with acute powers of observation can see.

You ask for proof..... tests have shown that where they are flying these big white planes... the soil has changed PH. Tropical plants in Hawaii are dying. Natural organic farmers are seeing huge reductions in their crops. Soil samples have shown ridiculous levels of the 3 metals. These 3 metals when ingested reduce sperm counts of men.

It's easy to tie in a gluttony of spiking diseases.... AUTISM... through the roof! Alzheimers, going up! Valley fever going up! Sperm counts of men going WAY DOWN! Bronchial disorders going way up. Asthma going up. Now... these are just a few. The only common thing that could create this is something being placed in the environment from the air. We all eat and drink from food grown in affected soil and breathe the air around us.

docsab
docsab

PART 3

It's obvious that the sky is is not the vibrant BLUE we remember as kids growing up.... especially in Los Angeles. It's milky silver blue. There are days that the blue sky is so overcast... like there is a shield or layer between what was once a sunny clear day and the Sun. It's like looking at the Sun through a well worn painters plastic drop cloth. AND, when it rains in LA... there are rings of yellow as the puddles dry. I have lived in LA for 28 years. I have seen this  happening over the last few years. IT'S NOT POLLEN IN NOVEMBER. You can see it on pool surfaces. I notice it on mine.

Over the last 10 years in California, there has been a HUGE spike in Valley Fever. It is a fungus that effects the lungs. Breathing/respiratory issues have gone WAY UP... as SMOG has gone WAY DOWN. The sky used to be pink/red with pollution in the 80's. Now they are silvery white.

A contrail would evaporate in 16-18 seconds. A chem trail doesn't go away.... it gets larger and larger... and the pattern they spray enjoins them together to completely cover a beautiful blue sky. I get enraged.... HOW DARE THEY RUIN MY BEAUTIFUL BLUE SKY.... AND REPLACE IT WITH A CLOUDY HAZY MESS!

docsab
docsab

PART 2

 2) Monsanto is being allowed through NATO and the US government to spray their ABS mix ... which raises the soils PH. This creates fungus and destroys many crops and plants that are not resistant to the fungus. This is possibly one explanation why they have created  Genetically Engineered seeds. Their seeds are known as terminator seeds.... which are also drought resistant. These Monsanto GE plants do not create seeds, forcing farmers to buy seeds annually for crops from them... world wide. This serves to A) Make huge profits ( Obama just signed a Monsanto bill). B) Control human population.

3) Weather control... using weather as a weapon... create a drought in one location and floods in others. By using metals in the atmosphere they can charge the atmosphere with a HAARP beam. Weather control is the next massive weapon.

4) Do testing on us. We know this has been done several times by the government on us... it's own people.

docsab
docsab

PART 1

Chem trails.... You are dismissive and use broad swipes as if to paint all concerned as insane kooks. Maybe some are kooks... but, at least they have the powers of observation.  What I can say is that very few people take the time to actually LOOK UP. Most people have very little time in their busy day to stop and smell a flower let alone wonder if the skies above them  are being covered with a silvery milky material. There are several theories out there as to what could be happening.

1) The "Powers that be" George Soros and others... who in their great 'benevolence to human society" are paying to spray the sky with metals such as aluminum, barium and strontium. These heavy metals are being sprayed to supposedly reflect the harmful effects of the Sun.... away from the Earth... to prevent global warming. BUT, infact, could be creating global warming by trapping the Suns heat... which would normally bounce back and away from the Earth.

Reynosofrancisco
Reynosofrancisco

Ray stern against the former boss of the cia of south california and the rest of the world.just listen tothe video of the former cia boss whom I do trust much more than a ray stern who hasn´t got the slightest idea what he is brubbling about.check "chemtrais" in the internet and you will see that in every continent peope see the same,have the same experience and are horrified being sprayed like we are here in mexico.our animals die in front of our nose,too.we hav the typical barium poisonings and auminium poisonings with thoatache,muscle and boneache and pain in the stomach etc.Kids are being brought to the hospitals,everybody has got the same symptoms and that´s a horrible f a c t,Mr.Stern.The huge compnay P&G develped microchips which are the size of a human hair which shall be implanted into humans soon.Check it out,damned it, before you put dangerous stuff into the internet fooling people becasue y o u are not informed.when we open here facebook videos about chemtrails they disappear at once because the chemtrail or aerosol project because of which many people died who were talking wanting to get out of it,w a n t s dumb people who do not believe what already everybody who has a brain and a heart can inform himsef about and is in the middle of experiencing-minus Mr.stern.

Even stevens
Even stevens

Interesting discussion. I'd never given much thought to the subject before. Hopefully my comments will be seen as those of an objective third party, for I have no stake in the fight either way. That being said, I can't guarantee that everyone will like what I have to say.

Those who believe that the government is spraying toxins are indeed a passionate group. However, in reading dozens and dozens of posts, I find that all were either emotional appeals that lacked the weight of evidence, or contained a logical disconnect. In other words, many would present data and then explain what the data meant, but their explanation was only one of many possible explanations. The data could just as likely have meant something else entirely.Others took reports that outlined plans for weather manipulation and treated these as evidence that such things were not only already happening, but that civilians were being used as unknowing test subjects. Both are immense logical leaps that, again, cannot be supported as facts.

While I'm sure the folks backing a government conspiracy are sincere in their beliefs, there doesn't appear to be much logic behind it. 

RDDinPhx1
RDDinPhx1

Let the doubters doubt. It's the ignorant and unprepared that die first...the screaming masses swimming for the Ark...(sigh)

Ray Stern
Ray Stern

My article was properly researched for this subject matter, as I indicated. Chemtrail believers don't look for the truth, they just look for signs that reinforce their beliefs. One of the biggest reasons chemtrails is a ridiculous theory is that it would require that too many people keep a secret. How many pilots, aircraft mechanics, Obama staff members, pollution-control technicians in cities and counties, airport workers, oh yeah -- and reporters in this country do you think are "in on it?"

Shay85022
Shay85022

Greetings Ray, I think your decision to call this a dumb mans conspiracy leaves more unanswered questions.I travel and these trails are now started in smaller towns that dont have flights over their cities until now. I also work outside and if it is a day that the spraying is heavy I end up being sick. Many many friends feel this same reaction. The question is explain this. The next question: what reason would planes have to following strange paths turn around and do the same back and forth going away from the airport. This indicates a new flight plan. How would all of the pollution not be in the air with all of this happening everywhere. Your answer is just more flights? When did we have more flights? And when did the patterns start?You decide to talk to one man in Southern California and then decide this is fake. Too many people getting sick, brother. The government, would not do such a thing? What about putting cheap chemicals like floride in the water? What about pesticides in the food, that are not even allowed in Europe? What about a government that allows more and more medicine everyday that has never healed anything. Including Chemo that is the leading cause of death with cancer patients because it is poison.You have motivated many to go beyond theory to proof this is true and I will begin qualified info on my new website www.stop-chemtrails-now.com. Most know the truth and do now have to believe your under researched column. You need to look deeper.

Newemail4patty
Newemail4patty

Ray,I like you thought it was ridiculous. But all you need is your own two eyes if you want to see that there is something more to it. Go to a good look out point in Phoenix early in the morning for one month.  The sky will be blue.  If it is a spray day, the planes will come in different directions.  I watched from 7 to 11.  By that time there was an overcast blanket in the sky with just a little blue still showing through.  I do not know why or what they are spraying, but I know for a fact that they are.  They sprayed yesterday March 23rd ( the day I watched).  I was blown away.  They are spraying today March 24th. The sky was blue this morning but they are covering it.  Please pay attention Ray.I have a Masters Degree in Science and I AM using common sense.

Epiclonnesity
Epiclonnesity

People have been gullible since we became social creatures.

Cathy
Cathy

Have you ever read the results that Carnicom Institute found out about chemtrails?Cathy

Hubbcat23
Hubbcat23

Do you're research. Maybe you'll eventually learn the truth.

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jeremiah
jeremiah

The ignorance in this post is staggering. There is already enough evidence of chemtrail spraying and studies on it online as of 2012. They have been spraying everyday lately in phoenix which didnt happen so much in texas. It's unfortunate.

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Matt
Matt

"yeah, right. How many aircraft have one of those?"- Not many. There are a couple of hundred weather monitoring planes though so what is your point? Are you claiming that there are no weather monitoring planes at all? what a load of rubbish.

"On a day when weather only supports pencil-thin, evaporative contrails, if any at all, the sky gets filled with long-lasting parallel and crosshatch patterns of puff emitted from the wings of large aircraft that carry no logo." - How do you know any day that supports evaporative contrails? how are you able to tell the different days?

Suzanne Holmes
Suzanne Holmes

I wonder which alphabet agency the writer of this article works for? 

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Chris Cody
Chris Cody

I can’t believe there are still some ppl that are defending the government and saying that there is no such thing and that what everyone is seeing are simply water vapor. That would be a totally plausible explanation if there wasn’t already leaked gov documents outlining how and why they are spraying chemtrails over the air (this does a pretty good job of explaining it.) It’s called the HAARP project, and is built on the concepts of radio frequency radiation that Tesla was getting into before he died/was killed. Apparently, what the planes are releasing are barium salts, which (with the help of microwave energy) can manipulate anything from the weather to varying life forms in the environment. This is also most likely the reason why certain species of birds and fish have been dying recently. If you see planes making a criss cross pattern or contrails that linger for half a day or so when in relatively dry environments, you’re most likely witnessing chemtrails being dispersed. I live in Tempe, AZ, where it’s extremely dry year around, and just last week there were two unmarked commercial airliners that were flying in a grid–type pattern. I took a few photos and submitted them to a conspiracy theory site (they’re at Anxiety.org if you want to see them).

submit3
submit3

@julieparisiart science and evidence are on the side of the author.  You have yet to show evidence that "Chemtrails" are anything but paranoid persons views of contrails.


julieparisiart
julieparisiart

@Blackie  You should be ashamed if this is true.  It is causing many health problems and deaths.  

dannichols21
dannichols21

@facepalm  just what conspiracy would you like to attempt to discredit.  fluoride, vaccines, gmo, chemtrails, New world order, illuminati, aspertame, sandy hoax, boston smoke bomb, 9/11. BRING IT!  I will show you just how bad you have been duped.

rick4electric
rick4electric

@facepalm The Name-Calling has convinced me to shut up, because I'm so frightened to be called a bozo! Having heard of this CRAZY THEORY A FEW DAYS AGO makes you EMINENTLY QUALIFIED to comment on something you KNOW NOTHING ABOUT! Gee. Maybe YOU should be embarrassed!

julieparisiart
julieparisiart

@facepalm  Nothing more wonderful than believing your govt is there for protection of its people, and it wouldn't ever hurt you.  God exists, as does Santa Claus and the Easter bunny.  Corporations have morals, and would never put profit over safety.  SHALL I CONTINUE?  Only those whose eyes are closed to truth name call those of us seeking truth and knowledge.  When you die of cancer, you will know why: it is in our skies, our "food", water, everything.  Because our govt is run by the elites who dictate by lobbying for corporations, who actually run this world what will be done. Bilderberg Group-look it up.

Do not be a lazy fool.  Finding out the truth takes effort as the corporations own all media now, and you have to do some work.  Media is full of lies and fabrications-like this childish article written by someone who should be unemployed.

rmckissock
rmckissock

@facepalmso you are calling people nutjobs and crazy because they have noticed contrails that don't dissipate and spread until they cover the sky ? These people who are witnessing this and are questioning it live all over the world. these people live in almost every town around the world! and you know better than them? None of them have called you a nutjob, because of your opinions, none of them have attacked your integrity, why ? because character matters. If you want proof of chemtrails try looking up sometime. It's not that hard, even for you

rmckissock
rmckissock

@facepalmhave you ever thought that maybe you're the nutjob and too stupid to realize that?

ray.stern
ray.stern moderator

@facepalm You are so right, facepalm. Check out the email I just received today. I'm deciding to publish it here because it's more proof of the point of my article:


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SUBJECT:
your "chemtrail conspiracy" rant....

LETTER:
Your novice attempt at critical discourse is just as wackadoo as the far out theories it pretends to grapple with, "Ray".

Now geo engineering... THAT's a science that is well-documented and has a history any intelligent person can research and understand...  Let's hope one of those people can explain it slowly and simply enough to the tards who write bullshit like you do.
Chemtrails are not contrails... clearly.  People with eyes, time and the ability to process basic information are documenting this every minute across the world.  Private companies are employing weather modification technologies, and using various materials in aerosol sprays to measure variables the upper atmosphere.....  It's not a secret however it takes "research"...
Maybe, if you ever make the sad effort to "cover" this "conspiracy" again you could include some "information" in your content....  not just the opinions of the "sources" you hand picked to "refute".

It's been my pleasure to take this rare and wonderful moment to bless you- a clearly retarded dipshit- with my wisdom... You are welcome.  May you learn and grow.
But yeah, good ridiculous ranting tho "Ray"... maybe one day you can get a job critiquing movies or something... shouldn't have dropped out of those arts courses....... you "refuters" don't sound like the sad fucking nutjobs you are refuting at allll.  wink.

Please stop filling my internet with your shit.  It belongs in your toilet.  Thanks.

my reply to this link....
http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2008/12/chemtrails_strong_competitor_f.php


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submit3
submit3

@docsab It is so sad that so many people missed science class in school.

Chemtrails are a myth.  It is actually spread by people to try and keep you from seeing the real things that the government is doing to zap your freedom and liberty.

rmckissock
rmckissock

@docsabyou're right to be concerned, I find it odd, that there are actually people who would attack others for wanting to know whats going on. To call people names for questioning unusual events like, contrails that won't dissipate, and instead spread until they cover the entire sky,  what kind of person does that and why ?. It comes off as desperate and sad.

submit3
submit3

@docsab It is sad that you are using "Unreasonable reason" to try and make your point.  

The reason for less black smoke is that the engine makers have been working hard to build better more efficient engines.

The smoke was unburned fuel, harmful to the environment, and also costly to the operator of the aircraft.

The engines are much cleaner than in the past and the CONtrails that you see are water vapor.

Yes it is easier to pretend that there is a big conspiracy where hundreds or thousands of people would have to know about it, and keep quiet, but there is not.

If you have read this far, take a few minutes and think about it.  The thousands of planes, the thousands of pilots, the ground crews, the people that manufacture the chemicals, the truck drivers that deliver them, and all the administrative support folks that would need to be in place to make something like this happen.
It is unworkable that a conspiracy of this size could be kept quite.

And like the author of the original article said, show some evidence that they actually exist.
The neat thing is that with today's knowledge we can prove it today!

The next time you see a plane above you that you believe is spreading a "chemtrail" you can use this app; https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/plane-finder-ar/id390039844?mt=8

to see if it is a commercial flight.

Unless you are truly paranoid, you certainly could not believe that commercial airliners are spreading "chemtrails" since that would require civilians at airports all over the world filling the tanks with chemicals.


Good luck, and if you can over come this paranoia, there are a lot of real problems that could use the effort expended on this myth...

submit3
submit3

@gdesigndog77 Because he speaks the truth, and doesn't kowtow to people with no understand of science and the infrastructure it would take to run a conspiracy like "chemtrails".
No, the idiots are those who spread the myth.  

There are those who just happened to hear of of it and realize how stupid it is once you look at the science, they are not idiots if the see the error of their ways once they see the scientific evidence.



rick4electric
rick4electric

@Ray Stern Money talks and the people doing this have unlimited resources because they print the money. They use bribery, intimidation and murder to get their way. And...... IT WORKS! For a while. But it's unraveling quickly. They will have to get the NEXT WAR STARTED SOON!

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@Newemail4patty If you have a MS, then you know that common sense is often not correct, and not ar all related to the science of issues involved. Your common sense cannot tell you that it is anything other than water vapor that you saw.  Please use the scientific method, and don't fall for the paranoia that these folks like to spread, because it makes them feel more powerful and important.


stucco34
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@Suzanne Holmes   One that uses facts. You ppl use pseudoscience and ignore facts and fearmonger .

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@Chris Cody Funny thing is that no one is defending the government, all that Ray asked for was proof and evidence.  HAARP is a radio communications research program.  It does not affect weather or cause earthquakes as some people claim.

You should check some aeronautical charts and you will see that where you are located is the crossing of several aircraft routes.  Some people think that airliners fly directly from it embarkation to its destination, but in order to be able to keep track of the thousands of flights, they are placed into routes to prevent collisions.

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@submit3 @julieparisiart I have massive photographic evidence, and all you have to do is some googling to know the planes are being retrofitted for spraying in Southern Arizona.  There have even been photos of the planes interiors uploaded. Also, testing has been done on the earth to see what chemicals have been dropped on us. Ignorance is bliss for you, however.

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@rick4electric Money doesn't work.  Take a look at "Real" conspiracies.  For many years at Area 51, yes that Area 51, they burned toxic chemicals in open pits to dispose of them.

We know about this because a member of the team that did that was exposed to the chemicals and their effects. http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/area-51-burning-revealed

Hundreds of people must be dealing with the chemicals used for the "Chemtrails", there must have been accidents, and people exposed.  None have come forward.

In fact, no one has come forward to talk about "Chemtrails".  With the number of people involved, and the love of people to become famous, there would be at least 1 and likely many.

Find one, and then tell the rest of us that we are the wrong ones.

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