Tegan and Sara Call Out Tyler, the Creator for Homophobic Slurs; Tyler Bites Back

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Canadian alt-pop twin sister duo ​Tegan and Sara have spoken out against Tyler the Creator of Odd Future in regards to his strong homophobia
, according to NME.

Odd Future's (OFWGKTA) Tyler the Creator commonly uses homophobic slurs, such as "faggot," and rape fantasies in his group's songs, as well as his solo material. Perhaps the reason he uses these words so much is to get people talking about Odd Future, which seems to be the reason for anything they do rather than out of pure artistic intelligence.

Either way, it has gotten Sara Quin of Tegan and Sara quite wound up. In response to Tyler's behavior, she has penned a brilliant letter titled A Call for Change. She raises questions like, "When will misogynistic and homophobic ranting and raving result in meaningful repercussions in the entertainment industry?" and "When will they be treated with the same seriousness as racist and anti-Semitic offenses?" Sara also points out that the media and the music community of other artists have completely turned an ignorant blind eye towards the matter. Frankly, I think she has raised some very interesting and important points.

To nobody's surprise, Tyler the Creator had something to say about this, and naturally it was quite sexist. He wrote on his Twitter (@fucktyler), "If Tegan And Sara Need Some Hard Dick, Hit Me Up!"

In a blog post, the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD) backed Quin, stating, "Tyler has said in interviews that he is not homophobic, yet his Twitter feed and rhymes are rampant with anti-gay slurs and references. His defense that 'people take things too seriously' or that he's 'just a kid' is inexcusable. Using hateful language, regardless of the context, is unacceptable and in fact, very serious. Tyler's attempts to be provocative as well as his indifference towards the consequences of his actions are irresponsible."

Should Sara Quin be taking the matter lightly? No, but she should probably consider who these slurs are coming from. Odd Future's "fuck everything" attitude needs to be taken into account. Tyler the Creator and his outspoken crew say these things all the time, but surely they can't be serious. On his solo album Goblin, which was released May 10 on XL, plenty of lyrics lend support to his public persona as a helpless, dazed and confused 20-year-old who's hungry for attention...a lot of attention.

That's not to say that he shouldn't be taken seriously because of his age, but rather that he's at an age where expressing himself and making sure his voice is heard by others is very important. I'm not much older than him myself; then again, I'm not a musician, and I'm not choosing my words particularly carefully so as to appease or displease critics. I don't think there's any doubt that he doesn't write anything for the purpose of pleasing critics, though.

On the first track of his solo album, Tyler the Creator gives plenty of insight into his state of mind on the song "Goblin." He raps, "I'm a 19-year-old fucking emotional rollercoaster with pipe dreams," "My brain is an obscenity / I'm fucked in the head, I lost my mind with my virginity," "They wanna critique everything the Wolf Gang has ever released, but they don't get it 'cause it's not made for them," and lastly, "I'm not homophobic...faggot." Those lines speak for themselves.

On the track "Analog," fellow Odd Future rapper Hodgy Beats lays down a line in which he says, "I poke her face, her throat for taste, give me head like I'm on her mind." How lovely. And if you're wondering what Tyler the Creator's song "Bitch Suck Dick" is about, well, you guessed it. It's littered with misogynistic lyrics in which every other word refers to some chick as "bitch," and it's clearly overused and unnecessary. If this kid gets married in the next 10 years, I'll be shocked.

Like I said earlier, it's not that I don't think Tyler the Creator shouldn't be taken seriously as an artist, it's that his messages (as well as those of his rap group) are not to be taken so seriously. For goodness sake, the kid talks about speaking to a therapist on multiple tracks of Goblin. The same way that Howard Stern does a great job as a shock jock, Tyler the Creator and his friends offer a fresh serving of potentially offensive rap lyrics, which is nothing new in the rap world anyway. I certainly award Odd Future points for creativity, but personally I don't think they're anything special. "Yonkers" blew me away the first time I listened to it, but so have a thousand other rap songs. Anything that group writes is likely to be vicious, which is one of the only reasons that Sara Quin should not be taking this matter personally. It is, however, respectable that she has taken the matter into her own hands.

Will Tyler the Creator eventually grow up in general? Will the music industry begin to punish people for inexcusably using homophobic slurs like the NBA recently punished Kobe Bryant and now possibly Joakim Noah as well? Hopefully, both of those things will happen soon, but only time will tell. Tell us what your take is on this situation.


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Jack Maxim
Jack Maxim

I'm going to point out that not only is most of Tyler's offensive content actually from his "Wolf Haley" persona, and is actually used to develop a narrative, but also that Sara's letter made me feel like there was some underlying racism issues. So for Tyler to be the only bad guy here, just because he makes a story, and Sara is the good guy for being a little bit racist makes me a little frustrated

IHATEFAGS
IHATEFAGS

FUCK FAGGOTS! I dont give a fuck how it makes you feel! Im not homophobic. That just gets to people and it hurts them in ways you cant imagine.

Egopaiste702
Egopaiste702

Wait, you just said you want the record industry to punish people for using words? Do you hate music and art and everything it stands for?

Niccc
Niccc

FUCK YOU, WOLFGANG BANG ;).

Cole7777
Cole7777

Who ever wrote this is a f***.Btw I don't care if you remove this comment.He is not the first f****in rapper to do this kind of stuff.Look at f****in lil wayne and all those other rappers.Dumb a** do your homework before you write sh** like this.Btw music should not be f***in tookin seriously.And he only used the word fa**** a few times you f***.Also he has said himself he is not F*****IN  a homophobia.B**** a** mother f***.Stop taking s*** for real.

Chase, the creator
Chase, the creator

Odd future is an american rap group, but thats not the point. tyler, the creator is not homophobic, his manager is a lesbian. he just says whatever the fuck he wants, you think he gives a fuck about a critic?

Kdeegs48
Kdeegs48

Jesus, that last paragraph is just... wow. Are you educated? It's called freedom of speech. If you think the music industry could "punish" someone, then you should probably consider a career as a cook or something because you're obviously too fucking retarded to put your thoughts into words as a career. Paralleling the music industry to the NBA? Seriously?

I don't know what Tara and Segan or whatever they're called think could arise from writing some letter—if anything it'll boost Tyler's public image. Look, I understand that Odd Future's music isn't for everyone, but I've never understood why people have to take a stand against an artist. He's an artist, lol. Okay, you can make your point. Okay. But all this Gay Rights group bullshit. Like their on a mission against Tyler or something! Honestly, it's laughable. Just don't listen to it if you don't like it. 

Christ, do these people forget that the best-selling artist of the past decade had similar anti-gay lyrics? This isn't a new controversy, and it's a situation that won't change. Again, freedom of speech.

dazed76
dazed76

I really hate how people don't take into account CONTEXT when analyzing a musician's lyrics.  But I guess the argument is that context doesn't matter, that what he says he hurtful no matter what.  And it's pretty stupid to assume that Tyler is singling out the gay community as well; he kind of hates on everyone: politicians, women, cops, his own mom, hell, he even jokes about killing his own friends.  It's a highly exaggerated character that he is inhabiting for the sake of art.  People need to get over themselves.

Ed
Ed

this article is so biased. oddfuture wolf gang.

Andrew Delouis
Andrew Delouis

Lenni, do you like kid cudi? he talks about poking girls faces all the time. he has a whole song about getting head. And also one of tyler's friend/fellow producers syd the kid is lesbian and she understands that tyler is just throwing around these slurs because it adds to the intensity of the track.    People need to start looking deeper into odd future instead of just judging them as foul mouthed kids they all have alot of potential and talent and people should embrace there music for what it is. SWAG

Earl
Earl

"I wanna be the reason why all lesbians HATE dick!"

Ryan
Ryan

 his producer, syd is openly gay so i doubt he's homophobic 

Tylor tha creater
Tylor tha creater

 kill them all swag. sara just needs some hard dick swag. thanks for the press! swag.

derp
derp

"Will the music industry begin to punish people for inexcusably using homophobic slurs like the NBA recently punished Kobe Bryant and now possibly Joakim Noah as well?"

Are You Fucking Retarded Bitch?

Hobbs
Hobbs

Where were these braods when Emimen was doing the same thing ? This reeks of racism. 

eggsandmoreeggs
eggsandmoreeggs

Half of my friends who like Odd Future are girls and LGBTQQAetc community members, and I'm not exaggerating in the slightest. I wish people wouldn't speak for an entire demographic.

Jriley1992
Jriley1992

hahah fuck those bitches, they just wish they were mentioned in a rape song 

joydiv79
joydiv79

that's what I was thinking.

dazed76
dazed76

Yeah I agree with derp.  Punishing artists for saying things?  Like the NBA?  That's some pretty f'ed up stuff.  It's called the First Amendment, Lenni.  I get that you don't like what Tyler says, but you (as a journalist) should still understand that he has a right to say it!  I mean, you're a freaking journalist for god's sake.  You should know this.  Damn.

Lenni Rosenblum
Lenni Rosenblum

I really like Kid Cudi, as well as a lot of other rappers who sing or rap about subjects like that. However, nobody wrote a letter to them or called them out for it because they were offended like Sara Quin did, which is why this article did not focus on those other artists. I agree that the members of Odd Future are all very talented; I couldn't rap like them if I ever tried haha. But there are ways for them to get attention other than "falsely" attacking women and the gay/lesbian community.

Blaj@yahoo.com
Blaj@yahoo.com

Ugh, it sickens me the ignorance that is abundance on this post page. The worst part is all of you people have the right to vote. Violent acts are not light fodder for socalled artist. Rape is a horrible experiece that happens to adults and children. These "hot" topics in this type of music is disgusting. These type of musicians are fueling ignorance, hate, and violence. it is not that tyler has a responsiblityto produce good music; he can keep being the miserable soul he is. It is our responsiblity to not encourage such "joking" hostility. But the truth is most people are ignorant, like most of the fools posting on this site. I myself am horrified by the lyrics of this poorly constructed music. I'm even more disturb by the ignorant people who listen top it. just look at the poor grammer and spelling! "there music," wow, and you function in life, is "their" ugh, I understand hunter s thompson a little more after ask this stupidity.

Lenni Rosenblum
Lenni Rosenblum

Yeah, I'm familiar with the First Amendment, which is why I wrote what I did.

Andrew Delouis
Andrew Delouis

Really? you took the time to go through the trouble of posting a reply to me about my grammar?  Become an underpaid English teacher if thats what you enjoy. On second thought why am I even replying to this? your not even worth it. But since I already typed it i'm gonna post it.

Andrew Delouis
Andrew Delouis

Okay I understand your opinion But I don't think Tyler is doing much harm here. I do respect Sara for calling Tyler out though because His music is very controversial But thats also what makes him different from other rappers. I hope people just become more open minded About Odd future realize its just music and not take offense to it.

Egopaiste702
Egopaiste702

"There are more songs about love than anything else. If we all acted out what we heard in music, we'd all love each other" - Frank Zappa

tyler
tyler

before you call out others for their grammar errors, you should probably consider your own drunken ramblings—I can see an error in the first sentence of your meaningless babble. if you believe that the topics discussed in tyler's songs "fuel" ignorance or violence, you are in fact a stupid person. do you think that if someone saw the movie "goodfellas," it would make them want to kill people? our culture gives movies and other media a pass on almost ANY subject, and i've never understood why we rarely give that pass to pop music. 

it's music. please.

Lar
Lar

I just honestly don't think someone is ignorant enough to think that the music industry could penalize an artist. the music industry is barely even an industry in the traditional sense of the word. look, if you're trying to make a connection to something recent that happened in the nba, that's forgivable, but know that that connection is less than tenuous and that such a notion is absurd and makes this article look elementary

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