7 Things That Make New York City Irrelevant to Phoenicians

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Nina Gruber

Editor's note: We had so much fun over on Chow Bella, pitting New Yorker-turned-Phoenician Nina Gruber against Phoenician-turned-New Yorker Dominique Chatterjee against each other on the topic of food that we decided to do it again -- and this time, we're talking about culture. Today, we share Gruber's list of things that make Phoenix tops. Come back later this week for Chatterjee's view.

After listing items I missed from the Phoenix food scene while living away, I found myself pondering what characteristics of the city I now cherish after moving back here. I remember coming back to Phoenix during school vacations and realizing how quickly this city is evolving -- spots of cultural interest, art galleries, new and exciting restaurants, gardens, and so much more I don't know about. We have something special here that should never be neglected because of comparisons. So to be that hypocritical blogger, I will prove it, through comparisons.

See also:
7 Things About New York City That Make Phoenix Look Like a Cultural Wasteland
9 Things That Make Phoenix a Better Food (and Drink) Town than New York City

10 Things in New York City the Phoenix Food Scene Will Never Have

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Nina Gruber
West Coast Mentality

I have often heard that it is easier for an East Coaster to move west than the other way around, and I do not disagree. And though Phoenix is not a West Coast city (we are a bit landlocked), the easygoing nature associated with our western neighbors certainly rubs off on us. There is a sense of competitiveness, formality, and absolute need for instant gratification that comes with how things are done in the Northeast, which generally means that good stuff gets done, and fast. And getting there to do it? Make sure to clear the path. We may not be as speedy as "the city that never sleeps," but we sure do appreciate our shuteye and don't seem to be lacking too much because of it. So, why so serious, NYC? Cool down, take a breath, have a margarita (or smoke a medically permissible joint), and realize there's no need to rush.

Concert Ticket Ethic

Here in Phoenix, there is the lovely notion that I can decide, day-of, to go to a concert of a band I love. I understand that concerts do sell out here in Phoenix, but the thought of meandering over to grab a ticket for a beloved, slightly popular indie band at the Music Hall of Williamsburg the night of their concert is a bit comical. You see, a slightly popular indie band in Phoenix is almost passé in New York and even further behind the curve in Brooklyn, which means that in a place of 8 million people, the 400 spaces available at a venue get bought out quick. So cherish those tickets you buy for two dollars more at the door of Crescent Ballroom, because they aren't likely to exist in NYC.

Francis Ha was not filmed here.

Really, we should be very happy that this is not the type of character that represents our burgeoning population. I'll stick with Twilight's Bella.


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phoenix571
phoenix571

Phoenix is a beautiful place populated by gun-toting teabillies living next to vapid, self-absorbed nonthinkers with sun-baked gray matter.  When I moved here, the realtor described it as "LA light" and that's close, without the progressive aspects of the City of Angels. The weather IS a big plus if you've lived a life trudging through the snow to a bus stop, and culturally the most interesting influences are definitely the Native Americans and the Mexicans. Everyone else, most particularly the white folks, are from somewhere else.  And employment?  Forget about it, unless you want to wash dishes in a golf resort.  Salaries here are seriously depressed.  The only good news to even out the bad pay is that housing here is dirt cheap compared to NYC and Chicago.  All that aside, it's a great place to retire from everything. If you want to sit down and count the days until life is over, this is one of the best places in the world to do it.  It is God's Waiting Room, after all.  While you're waiting, keep on voting blue, "'cuz change is a'gonna come"! 

raggraphx
raggraphx

This was a funny read, thank you.  But lets be honest here....the mountains are not in the city.  If you're basing your argument on ticket availability and mountains, its a very weak argument.  If you are referring to the Valley in general then I'm sorry ya lose again.  Scottsdale is the worst. You wanna talk about rude?  I have found more self-centered, materialistic, fake people here than all my years in NY.  Glendale and everywhere else...meh!   And have you seen the smog hanging over Phoenix? I'm sure you can from atop your mountain.  Phoenix is not that much cleaner.

The majority of the culture this place has is from people that have moved here from other major metropolitan cities and Mexico.  Finding a native "Phoenician" is like finding a leprechaun riding a unicorn.  This is such a transient city with significantly segregated sections of town.  What makes NYC so great is that its a melting pot...it's diversity...it is culture!  Let me ask you a question...how many of your neighbors do you know?  are they ever outside?  Are there ever any block parties? No there is not.

Maybe I'm biased because I grew up on Long Island.  I bartended in Manhattan for years and yes it is crowded and It is dirty. The people are always on the move. But it's alive!  What is going on in the City here after people get off of work and go home?(They don't live in the city).... crickets...except for first Friday.

The traffic in NY is horrible, but I'd take that over this any day!  At least everyone drives the same aggressive way there.  Here there are so many different driving styles going on from all the people from different states its like one big drivers ed. video on what not to do.  And what the hell is with all the damn Prius's driving in the left lane here?!  If you're going to drive that slow...move over!

However, there are many pluses to living here.  For one... I never have to shovel snow ever again...that's worth it right there.  Second, the sun is always shining, even though it feels like Ground Hogs day with Bill Murray sometimes.  Honestly the weather man has the easiest job in the world here.  

I do see a glimmer of hope for this place.  I see downtown Phoenix awakening with creative minded people and businesses, as well as very talented artists (whom many I know personally because I'm an artist myself).  This place is headed in the right direction, but it has a long way to go...and will it last? maybe. 

It's not a question of which place is better NY or PHX...they are two completely different animals. 

Just my opinion and you know what they say about those.

osephj
osephj

Phoenix being a "blank canvas" is its biggest detractor. There is jack shit in terms of culture, and the valley is devoid of enthusiasm toward anything progressive or forward-thinking.

mindelar
mindelar

I love this...I lived in Phoenix for only 2 years and moved out to NYC this past winter (I am a native Southern Californian).  I miss Phoenix immensely...New York has its merits, but I rarely spend time outside due to the oscillating weather patterns, it's dirty-filthy, the people are generally rude and obnoxious, and I have to say, the food here isn't any better than the food we can get in Phoenix (with the exception of Greek and Chinese).  Look, NY has a lot of interesting things to see and do, but in the end, it's a really crappy place to live...whereas in Phoenix, with the sunshine and things to do outdoors, your mood is lifted instead of being constantly beat down due to the lengthy, smelly, loud subway commute in NYC and the annoying people who think NY is the greatest place in the world.  And it's not like I've never lived in a large, cosmopolitan city before...I have lived in Paris, France, and absolutely LOVE it.  But I have to say, I really want to move back to Phoenix. I know that Phoenix is a work in progress...obviously the arts scene hasn't been well-supported, but there are a lot of very talented artists and musicians in Phoenix who just need our backing.  It's not like NYC artists and musicians are any better, they just have more outlets to break through.  Hopefully I'll move back to Phoenix next year and continue to join in and help and observe as Phoenix grows and builds on the wonderful things that it already has in place.

DavidCorpusIsAFaget
DavidCorpusIsAFaget

When are we going to start talking about how Phoenix is a greater place than Rwanda?

Jesse Adams
Jesse Adams

I fucking hate new york and its people so much. Stay in NYC if its so fucking great.

Marilyn Ostrow
Marilyn Ostrow

this made me laugh out loud (and I pretty much can't stand to be in NYC more than 3 days in a row).

David Corpus
David Corpus

This is the first time I have seen "West Coast Mentality" rewarded. Smoking meth and flaking aren't really admirable qualities. But what should I expect from someone who set Twilight's "Bella" being from AZ in a positive light? She is a minor who was used to exploit Statutory rape, right? Concert ticket ethic? How about being on the worthwhile band's tour list in the first place. The majority of the music I enjoy skips PHX and would never skip NYC. What did we pay for Black Sabbath in AZ? The rest of the article was the author arguing with themself. "NYC has mountains a few miles to the north, but so does AZ." "Blank canvas?" blank since 1861 isn't something to celebrate. Culture comes to AZ all the time and dies here because no one here cares about it. This is likely why we have such a huge "Shock" culture of fire spinners, body modifiers/suspension etc thing going on in AZ which isn't as prevalent anywhere else. I noticed you completely skipped fashion... Why is that? LoL

Gina Wilkinson-Montague
Gina Wilkinson-Montague

well, at least this was better than the "Why Phx is a better food town than NYC" article. that was a f*cking joke.

osephj
osephj

@mindelar perhaps you are going to the wrong places (or not even leaving home) – I've been in NYC for quite awhile and have never experienced any *residents* who are rude at all, mostly just the idiot tourists. I'll take the packed subway over the packed freeways anyday – I don't have to worry about some careless a-hole accidentally ending my life every morning.

"Nothing to do outdoors" is quite the joke as well – you are an hour **subway** ride away from the beach, and a short train out to the Hamptons/Montauk or upstate to Beacon or Albany. Perhaps you need to leave your apartment and experience the world?

osephj
osephj

@David Corpus Amen to all of this.

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