Roosevelt Row's Tediberto's Has a Liquor License Problem

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The bar at Tediberto's during the early morning hours of Saturday, August 4.

Becoming legally licensed to serve alcohol is already a complicated and time-consuming process. Carla Wade, who owns the nearby Carly's Bistro with her husband John Logan, says it takes anywhere from six months to a year to get a liquor license.

She estimates that the couple devoted around 20 hours per week for the better part of a year trying to nail down the license for Carly's and become legal to sell alcohol, which included dealing with bureaucratic red tape, coordinating with both state and municipal agencies, and making numerous renovations and alterations to the property.

Ira and Patricia Hayden, owners of Roosevelt Row art venue Gallery Celtica, are currently hip-deep in said process. The couple won a Series 7 liquor license, permitting the sale of beer and wine, back in May via a lottery held by Department of Liquor Licenses and Control.

Before they can transform their place into the Roosevelt Gallery and Bier House and pour their first glass of ale, Ira says the couple has to take care of numerous issues mandated by the City of Phoenix, such as ensuring the bathroom are compliant with the Americans with Disabilities Act and possibly repaving the parking spaces behind the property.

"It's a very rigorous process that takes a lot of patience, effort, and time," Hayden says.

Because of all the effort it took for her restaurant to get properly licensed, Wade feels it's unfair for others who circumvent the process.

"For people who work hard to have a legal license and pay their taxes and do everything above board and work hard to achieve that and invest in that," Wade says. "I think it's unfair if someone tries to sell alcohol without going through the proper channels."

She also feels it's "not a good idea, on any level" to sell liquor illegally, as there are many consequences if caught.

"If you're serving alcohol unlicensed its just irresponsible, I think personally and [as] a businessperson," Wade says. "And then also, they're destroying any chances of a future license. They're jeopardizing their opportunity to have that."

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wherewasi
wherewasi

I have to agree with a handful of interested observers here - If I ever would have gone to Tediberto's, I sure would not go there now after reading the things that "friends of Tedi's" have to say.  They sound like a bunch of uncouth, uneducated, ill-mannered knuckle draggers.

7ate9
7ate9

Jesus tittyfucking Christ, all this sturm und drang over one stupid little article? If these commenters are anything like the type of people who hang out at Tedibertos, I think I'd be better off avoiding this downtown doucheteria.

so.over.it
so.over.it

I cannot believe all these disgusting and demeaning comments (most of which I'm sure are from the same people, given the similar usernames and writing styles, and obviously the resturanteur herself or her cronies). What is wrong with you people? I get that you're upset that your little illegal money-making operation got outed, but is it really necessary to stoop to scatalogical insults and threats? Shouldn't professionals conduct themselves with more restraint and decorum? All you're doing is bringing the restaurant's reputation down and looking pretty obviously guilty in the process. Nobody buys the "private party" fiction, which is an obvious ploy by many a shady business. If you really believe in your establishment, why not put your energy and passion into becoming a legitimate business rather than attempting to undercut your fellow entrepreneurs by breaking the rules. And stop acting like a schoolyard bully who got caught red handed and tries to blame the kid who told on him. The sad thing is that a vegan Mexican restaurant sounds like a delicious idea that I otherwise would be all over, but if the comments here are any indication of the staff and clientele, I think I'll steer clear.

Phoenician
Phoenician

Benjamin. You're a bitch made ass bitch. Anytime I see you anywhere now, I'm gonna talk mad shit. You are OFFICIALY on the OUTSIDE with your dorky-ass rag-tag gang of "homies". I get being a journalist... yeah blah blah, that's your job... but such a bitch move. You will be heckled henceforth and probably banished from all non-corporate jock-ass events. I used to smile when I saw you.

phxjustice
phxjustice

Benjamin,

 

Wow!  Talk about the hate being thrown your way.  The way some of these people think, it would seem that you killed some baby instead of reporting on what appeared to be the illegal serving of alcohol in an unlicensed establishment.

jackmav3rik
jackmav3rik

I've known Ben for a few years and he's always been a really sweet dude. We don't agree on everything, and that's fine. He's a very low-key man. Almost stealthy for a man of his stature. I don't agree with the New Times habit of outting small businesses for infractions such as this. The New Times is a pretty anti-establishment weekly rag on the whole, so I always find their "outting" of small businesses like this to be incongruent with the rest of their paper. But while I don't agree with the premise or the concept behind this article/blog post/whatever. I feel like people aren't arguing on those merits. I believe the "private party" defense to be as suspect as Mitt Romney's retroactive retirement.  As I said before, I know Ben, I've hung out with and talked to him. I've sat with him. And there have still been times when I didn't even notice him in the room. He's a subtle guy. There is no way in the world that he caused a scene/got kicked out/freaked out.  That is just a completely out of character accusation.  There's enough here to be pissed about without having to bring character assassinations into it. But making the argument for civil discourse on the internet makes it seem like it's my first day online. So, I'll leave it at that. ;)

Shasta Sheen
Shasta Sheen

What a wonderful response to the hypocrisy of favoring some underground establishments but slamming on others that you CLEARLY have a vendetta for. Chow Bella, as sophisticated and forthright in their writing as always!

fairymagic13
fairymagic13

This is a good lesson for Ben, don't blog while you're loaded!

 

mmmirele
mmmirele

Two, nay three,  thoughts:

 

1) A vegan *bertos? Who'da thunk it?

 

2) Does Pabst Blue Ribbon count as "beer"? 

 

3) If you're going to break the law, wouldn't you do it in style, with something better than PBR?

 

fuckNT
fuckNT

I'm kind of wondering what the fuck the New Times is doing enforcing liquor laws. This isn't journalism, and frankly it's none of your fucking business. Isn't there a Mexican out there who doesn't have a burrito, or any one of your other pathetic causes?

AZDiva
AZDiva

This isn't the first we've read about downtown Cenpho businesses hawking liquor illegally and after hours. Good for th reporter to call them out on the carpet. If they aren't operating their business ethically in this regard, think of the other areas where they may be cutting corners...like paying taxes, insurance premiums, vendors and even employees!

Chow Bella
Chow Bella

Guess we'll have to agree to disagree and see what the future holds for Tediberto's.

elS82
elS82

they have a lot of private events i guess

nope
nope

Okay, I'm all for outing people/establishments when they break serious laws or laws that put innocent lives in immediate danger, but this is straight up bitch shit right here. Come on Ben, you make New Times look bad when you tattle about unimportant baloney like this. By all means, out the Louie Purolls of this world, but don't go snitching to the cops for shit like this. It ain't right. Maybe it's just me, but I don't want to be reading a narc alternative newspaper (that's what main stream news outlets are for). That being said, the owner of the hipster joint isn't getting of the hook either. Selling alcohol, without a license, in the open like this is just asking for trouble. I wonder whose harebrained idea it was. Even without being outed by a newspaper, it was just a matter of time before this place was busted. Use your head people! If you want to make money illegally, it's a good idea to keep that shit on the DL. It's quite simple really, don't let money blind you!

Shasta Sheen
Shasta Sheen

Definitely some snark! New Times is acting like they care about breaking the law yet they give The Quincy "BEST OF" for their debaucherous after-hours parties. So why is it OK for some people to break the law but not others? Obviously New Times is holding hostility towards the owner for not kissing their toes. I'm also pondering if an insecure business owner is out to get the Tediberto's location or to take them down to eliminate competition. Someone who is in cahoots with the New Times. I wonder how much a restaurant would pay New Times to harass another business if they felt threatened by its presence? Can't blame them. If I were an established business I'd be threatened by Tediberto's too - they've just opened and they have some of the best food I've tried in Phoenix and definitely the greatest ambiance in all of downtown. We need to make New Times the Old Times and get a NEW alternative press that is TRULY alternative and doesn't make trashy attempts to destroy the downtown community.

dr.doomcuad
dr.doomcuad

Sooooo this "journalist" parties at this place after hours, drinks their drinks after hours, kisses a couple of guys before he leaves and then complains about it in the morning?!?!?! Are you kidding me?! New Times, you guys are fucking up.

shashasha
shashasha

Oh the HYPOCRICY!! New Times gives The Quincy  "BEST OF" for their illegal after-hours parties, yet they are throwing out accusations (even going so far to SNITCH to the cops) that this new and independent restaurant is doing something illegal after-hours? Hmm- seems suspicious, doesn't it? Like Ross, I am guessing that there must be someone out to get the Tediberto's  location or take them down to eliminate competition and they are in cahoots with the New Times. I wonder how much someone would pay New Times to harass another small business if they felt threatened by its presence? If I were an established business I'd be threatened by Tediberto's too - they've just opened and they have some of the best food I've tried in Phoenix and definitely the greatest ambiance in all of downtown. I smell HATERS! This article is trash and the New Times is turning into junk as well.   How do we boycott a free newspapaer? LOL!

BenjaminLeathercock
BenjaminLeathercock

This is almost as riveting as the article written about Radiohead was. Thanks for asking those tough questions New Times.  Up until I read that article I just assumed that since Radiohead sounded great and was awesome that it meant they were a great band. Now I know better, because that article taught me that even if music is really good, you can still hate it and it makes you feel important and different. I am siding with the journalist on this one. Fun should be abolished. All rules should be followed no matter what. Community is not important, the rule of law is important. Freedom is overrated. Being controlled is quite pleasant and easier. Everyone who steps out of line should be punished.

BenjaminLeathercock
BenjaminLeathercock

The only thing more lame and useless than the state liquor board is the journalist that wrote this piece of crap.

Ross
Ross

Touché!  Not many New Times articles appear on Friday nights, but this one was obviously timed to surprise the proprietors if they chose to continue their "what part of illegal do you not understand?" comic tragedy.  I expect photos of the Liquor Department weekend raid to appear here by Monday morning. 

 

The story behind the story, of course, will certainly not be reported.  Which small business in the neighborhood tipped off the New Times about the lawbreaking nearby?  A couple owners are quoted.  I doubt that they had to be sought out.  The question is why they had to go to the media, rather than to law enforcement.  One wonders if payoffs are involved.

PNTlies
PNTlies

The author of this article is a blatant liar. What actually happened is he crashed a private party and was kicked out when he was caught. He got offended because he felt that his "press pass" should be valid anywhere he wants to go. He was overheard ranting after he was kicked out  that "they" (tediberto's) would be sorry and that they didn't know what they just did by kicking him out.  When the press uses their power to serve unethical ends, that's the real crime. When pride makes you destructive, untruthful, and willing to jeopardize someone's livelihood (owner and employee's alike) that's maligned and twisted, especially when they are a part of a community that *you* (PNT + author) supposedly support. This author should be ostracized and probably fired for having PNT publish complete fabrications. That's the thing about "reporters" - they can pretty much say whatever they want, if it's published it must be true, right? Whatadouche. 

Slipnslider
Slipnslider

 @Phoenician Wow...You're going to post anonymously and then talk mad shit about some one when you see them?!?  Ouch...that's harsh.  (Yes I am aware of the irony in my response, are you??)  All he was doing was reporting on a story about a place that was ILLEGALLY selling alcohol when they shouldn't be and what the consequences would be if you were caught.  You break the law and this is the chances that you run.  No need to get your tight girl jeans in a twist.  Have another PBR and chill. 

PNTlies
PNTlies

 @phxjustice So, do you little bitches at least get paid to suck Leathermans little bitch dick?

PNTlies
PNTlies

 @jackmav3rik While you may have hung out with him before my guess is that you haven't seen him in adversity. The fact is that that's exactly what happened, whether it seems in character with what you think you know or not. You should be careful of your Leatherman friend unless you want one of your up coming mobile Long Wong's after hours "private parties" to become the subject of one of his next  "outings". You think this guy is your friend? Well, so did the people he outed  in Phoenix, don't forget that. He plays the same game everywhere he goes. 

mmmirele
mmmirele

 @fuckNT Actually, it is journalism. The reporter came on a story where an establishment was serving liquor without a license and after the legal hours for serving liquor. The reporter went around and found out how long it takes to get a license and what kind of hoops you have to jump through to obtain one. (I would have never thought about having to repave one's parking lot, for example.) 

 

So, on the one hand, you have establishments that do it legally and spend a lot of time and money. And then you have the freeloaders, the guys who don't have the ADA compliant restrooms and don't pave their parking lots. I want businesses to succeed, yes I do, but I also want a level playing field. Serving liquor without a license is not a level playing field. You're ripping off the people who followed the rules. And, I'm sure, there are fees not being collected and taxes not being paid because this establishment decided it was too good to get a liquor license. So the state is also deprived of its just revenues.

 

But hey, if it makes you feel better, go ahead and keep telling yourself NT isn't doing journalism. *rolls eyes*

PNTlies
PNTlies

 @AZDiva "Oh my goodness, just think of all the other naughty stuff that could be happening!"*yawn* 

Phoenician
Phoenician

 @nope I agree. Still real lame on Ben's part. It was a private party i heard/

shrug
shrug

 @nope There's nothing hip about it.  It looks like Scottsdale.  It's cheesy and tacky.  

PNTlies
PNTlies

 @Shrug , You seem awfully invested in this topic for someone that's trying to impress upon everyone how unimpressed they are by, apparently, everything. Evidently you make a habit of frequenting establishments that you can complain about. I have a suggestion, try spending your time around the people and places you enjoy (if there actually are any). If you have so much disdain for the people you consider to be  "disco-fried trendy fashion victims desperate in their eternal search for after party, then sure, uh, it's "hip". ...douchebags in Urban Outfitter clothing...It was hollow.", and you hate the "Scottsdale Gay bars", then  what the heck are you doing going to these places? Do you just like to go to places that you hate so you can bitch about them and how nothing is living up to your standards of cool?

 

 " wanna-be bourgeois"? What the hell does that even mean? Do you know what it means? Are sure you know  the meaning of the term "wanna-be" or the meaning of the word "bourgeois"? Wanna-be bourgeois? That's just nonsense. Most of your commentary is nonsense, don't get me wrong, but that's down right dumb.  Apparently you really like the words "bourgeois" and "low-brow"- you're obviously a pretentious little bitch, "Shrug". 

  "snorting coke in the back of the kitchen"? That's a terribly presumptuous, and I'm guessing, completely unsubstantiated statement to make. How much time have you spent  in "back of the kitchen"? Your style is very similar to the writers. All kinds of unsubstantiated, baseless claims. You're a real shit-heal to go and willfully make intentionally harmful statements without any actual substance.  Watch this, I'm going to show you the same trick I showed to Pablo the Pedophile. The person that is using the sn "Shrug" on the PNT site is a RACIST. Shrug is known to keep company with racist friends and racist organisations, as well as engaging in racist activities including, but, not limited to: hazing, harassment, lynching, cross burning, and raping ethnics. Shrug has also been known to engage in gay bashing.

 

We can all play the "unsubstantiated claim" game.

And I've got news for you, Shrug, EVERYTHING EVERYONE does EVERYDAY is an act of desperation.  Don't fool yourself, you're not above this desperation. Just  because some engage in forms of escapism that don't appeal to your own sensibilities doesn't for one second mean that you are somehow more edified and above it all.  Get over yourself. You're just a desperate as the people you're trying so hard to elevate yourself above. The funny thing is that all these people that you're talking so much shit about, even if they weren't into whatever coping mechanisms you indulge in, they wouldn't sit there and make such inflammatory judgement calls against you. HEY!!!! I JUST GOT A GREAT IDEA, SHRUG!!! WHY DON'T YOU TAKE YOUR BITCH-ASS INTO TEDIBERTO'S AND GO TELL EVERYONE WHAT YOU THINK OF THEM!   Or are you the kind of person that hides behind the anonymity of the internet to run their idiot-bitch mouth off?

 

Your nonsense finished unraveling right around here " "Hip" is a club that anybody seems to be invited to."  What happened, Shruggy? Did the cool kids not give you enough attention? Were you kicked out with the PNT party crashing "journalist"? #1., You know nothing about marketing. Exclusivity sells. #2., it's not nice to say mean things about people just because they didn't want to play with you, bad Shruggy, bad.

Ross
Ross

 @ShrugSo other than that, you liked the place?

 

marcy
marcy

 @PNTlies An establishment can serve booze at a "private party" without a license and you can't have a "private party" and charge people for booze either.

 

So I think what actually happened was a violation of the law, deal with it instead of whining about getting caught.

jmav
jmav

 @PNTlies I hear you loud and clear. No press allowed. Not even Rob Kroehler ;)

 

PNTlies
PNTlies

 @mmmirele Hey, next time you have a party at your house and you provide alcohol for your guests we'll send Leatherman over so he can call the cops and write an article about, ok?

7ate9
7ate9

@Phoenician Private party my ass. That's a load of shit and you know it. Same old tired excuse. Not to mention the fact that liquor sales in an establishment without a liquor license are illegal no matter what, regardless of whether it's a private party or not.

shrug
shrug

 @PNTlies I was invited, personally, so I guess I am one of the cool kids, and I get plenty of attention, thanks...I can still be a patriot  & be critical of certain aspects of my country, right?  Well...I did say that I enjoyed the food, I thought it was creative, and pretty good, it was just the atmosphere & design that I didn't dig.  Everybody has different taste.  I don't believe I attacked anyone personally, nor will I get into name-calling, as I understand where your coming from on certain issues.  No, I don't know much about marketing.  I also didn't get the idea that there was anything very 'exclusive' about it, I knew quite a few of the people there.  The crowd seemed to be made of a variety of downtown movers & shakers & the men & women who party with them, some really great people who I respect.  I was hoping for something different, that's all.  I, personally, wouldn't have made the choice to out them publicly.  I'm entitled to my opinion, just as you are, obviously, we have different taste in this particular area.  I have no investment in the place one way or the other.  I'm sure we both have our reasons for choosing to be anonymous.  Given what vitriol you have cast in my direction for us merely not sharing the same opinion, I'm sure you be able to understand that choice.  I'd like to think we live in a community where we can have differing opinions without getting attacked personally for them.  I'm not sure I get the comment about people not wanting to play with me, I mean, I think I know what you're getting at, but you might be making some incorrect assumptions there, but again, I understand why you might assume that.  I do think it is unfortunate the New Times journalists are under pressure to come up with stories like this.  Sadly, these stories get lot's of attention (we're both here wrangling traffic to the site), but it is the world we live in, shitty as it may be.

 

 

Shrug
Shrug

 @Ross I really should have proofread that before posting..Yeesh.  I mean, the food was fine, everything else was just silly, and I dunno, it seemed like it was trying too hard.  It was like taking a nice painting & putting it in a shitty frame in a shitty gallery.  The food is overwhelmed by the bad aesthetics.  I  imagine that the chef made a very poor choice of partners.  The food would be better served by an understated, classic,  modest, and tasteful framing.  Maybe, I dunno, more like the Roosevelt.  I don't know why everything has to be all flashing lights & thumping music.  It's a very fickle demographic.  How many people who feel the need to drink past 2 in the morning care what kind of food they put in their body?  PBR plus a line of coke plus a mushroom taco sounds like puke city...

 

PNTlies
PNTlies

Marcy, you can think anything you like. 1. No one got caught. 2. no one sold booze. 3. there was no violation of any laws. 4. you are also a moron. Deal with it. xoxo

fairymagic13
fairymagic13

 @marcy From Leatherman's reporting I thought this was a public event - he did not state in his article that this was a private party.  He is either too lazy to find out these facts for his story or he is an arrogant hipster reporter which has misused his franchise as a member of the 4th Estate for personal retribution.    What I wrote below is correct - for public businesses BUT NOT FOR A PRIVATE EVENT!!!!

 

Yes, one can charge for liquor at a private event - it's done all the time by political parties and those raising funds for candidates.  Practically every political or non-profit fundraising event features a paid bar - that's a ridiculous statement Marcy.  There are tons of private parties I've been to in many different locations, bars included, which are closed to the public that serve liquor and charge for it.

 

 I agree, Leatherman is in trouble and he knows it - that's why he's responding so much and in such a defensive manner.  

wherewasi
wherewasi

 @PNTlies Tediberto's is NOT someone's private home.  It is a public business which is licensed to serve food.  That makes them subject to the state's licensing board, whereas a private home is not.  There are some situations where a business licensed to serve food might be granted a special event license to serve alcohol, however, it does not appear that this "private party" was one of those events, or that a special event permit was sought or obtained.

 

Piss and moan all you want, Yin.  You got busted fair and square.  There is NO exemption in the law that says a licensed food service business can sell alcohol at a private party without a special events permit.

PNTlies
PNTlies

" I don't believe I attacked anyone personally, nor will I get into name-calling"

 

 @shrug , you silly bitch. You may have deleted the original comment of yours that I was replying to, but, if you refer to my reply you'll find that I directly quoted you, and you most certainly were attacking not only the business but the people that were at the party.  From your missing / deleted comment: "disco-fried trendy fashion victims desperate in their eternal search for after party, then sure, uh, it's "hip". ...douchebags in Urban Outfitter clothing...It was hollow." Now, unless we're somehow misunderstanding your use of the term "douche bags" and every other derogatory and inflammatory remark you made, I'm pretty sure that your statements qualify as both "attacking"  and "name calling". You can back-peddle now, that's fine. I would still LOVE to see you walk into that place and tell everyone what you said in the post of yours that mysteriously disappeared. :)

marcy
marcy

 @BenjaminLeathercock Benji,

It doesn't matter if it was a private party.  They needed a liquor license to sell booze, period.  You must be as ignorant of the law as the people selling the booze without a license.

fairymagic13
fairymagic13

 @wherewasi I understand they were serving magic mushrooms that night too.  Where they gonna get a license for that?  Sign, Sign, everywhere a Sign . . . . .

 

wherewasi
wherewasi

 @fairymagic13 ...and they needed a special events permit to serve alcohol if it was being served at a business that does not have a liquor license.  Yes, special events often have alcohol served where normally the public would not be served.  According to just about all the pissing and moaning I've read on this site, the owners are justifying breaking the law by saying "it was a private party" - NOT by saying "we had a special events permit".

fairymagic13
fairymagic13

 @marcy Actually, I've been to many victory celebrations of political candidates which were in warehouses in Phoenix which served liquor (sales) and did not have a special event permit.  They definately stayed up all night - I played in the band at a couple.  Evan Mecham' s celebration party was like that. 

 

So was Symington's.  I remember a number of parties which sold liquor and stayed way later when Reagan won (yes - I've been preforming for a LONG TIME in Phoenix).

 

The antique car auctions have held private parties that last all night in private homes where they sell liquor.  No problem there.  Tons of private clubs in the Phoenix are stay later than normal and are not reported. 

 

Perhaps the law is in place that states that but the State of Arizona liquor license department does not enforce those laws on an equal basis, if at all!  There are so many loopholes for those who violate the liquor laws in Arizona it's not funny.  For those restaurants and bars with "political pull" there are exceptions.  For those that have the temerity to refuse entrance to a reporter for New Times - I'm guessing the State will throw the hammer down on them.  Knowing how frightened by the Phoenix New Times the State of Arizona is.

 

 

marcy
marcy

 @fairymagic13  @marcy They can have a paid bar but at an establishment that has a liquor license with a few exemptions, let me know if it met any of these:

 

Private home

Government owned or operated facility

 

If the establishment doesn't already have a liquor license you can apply for a special permit.

 

Bottom line, you are incorrect in your assumption you can sell booze at a "private party" with no need for a liquor license.  Even if the private party is at a private home there can be no direct sales of booze without a license.

 

 

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