George Zimmerman, Trayvon Martin, and the Way of the Gun

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No, that's the rapper Game, in a crass, racist email in circulation since the shooting

The recent acquittal of George Zimmerman in the death of Trayvon Martin is of particular relevance to Arizona.

In many ways, Florida is as racist and as gun crazy as Arizona, though here in Sand Land, the divide is Latino/Anglo more than anything else.

Like a lot of folks, I've been perplexed by Florida State Attorney Angela Corey's statement following the not-guilty verdict that, "This case has never been about race or the right to bear arms."

Of course, she's dead wrong.

What the entire country knows, is that the Zimmerman/Martin case always has been about race and guns.

I mean, is anyone really surprised that an almost all white jury of six women in the state of Florida, a state that was part of the Confederacy during the Civil War, didn't side with a black teenager wearing a hoodie?

Please.

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True, Zimmerman, 29, is half-Hispanic, as his mom is from Peru.

So if Zimmerman profiled Martin, it's no small irony that in Arizona, the neighborhood watch volunteer would be at risk for being stopped by the cops.

You know, for "driving while brown."

Still, there is the reality that race affects how people are charged and convicted in this country. And blacks get the worst of it.

Stats are not hard to come by.

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eeecuzin
eeecuzin

This is so pathetic. Even with the bias from the media, asshat sharpton a b movie director with holding of evidence hiding his criminal activity  benefitting travon the truth still managed to avail. I even see where the elected losers are pushing gun control again. Just like the left said about ovomits documents" too bad live with it " Justice prevailed.

xhibitsb
xhibitsb

Debra Milk has been transferred to the 4th Ave Jail in Phoenix AZ.  I'm going to start a sit in or a march downtown Phoenix I could some supporters.  I find it necessary to make a detail (not lengthy) flyer to raise awareness on who Debra is.  She has been damaged by the Arizona Judicial System.   I am 15 minutes from downtown.  My name is Belinda I am the woman Armando Saldate Jr extorted for sex in 2009 as a Constable.

sirandyinga
sirandyinga

God bless the jury for making the right decision!

kschaeff
kschaeff

Thank you for this wonderfully insightful and well-researched opinion piece, Steve Lemons.  So excellent, in fact, that it appears from the vast number of hateful comments that you've rattled the cage of every bigot in Maricopa County.  Well done, sir.  Here's another excellent article that pretty well sums up the return of Jim Crow:  http://sojo.net/blogs/2013/07/18/zimmerman-verdict-and-resurrection-old-jim-crow

Best wishes,

--Keith Schaeffer

Cozz
Cozz topcommenter

That would be a bigger lie than the one's he tells.

fratdawgg23
fratdawgg23

I just find GZ's self-serving version of events less than credible based on his cop fetish, frustration that the others got away (47x in 52 wks prior to shooting!), the choice to insert himself into the equation, his knowledge and use of police jargon, his knowledge of self-defense laws and that he sounded too much like the police report of an officer's statement in a questionable shooting - as if he made sure to spit out the highly subjective terms describing Trayvon, yet he was vague about where he was supposedly attacked, the timeline didn't. Plus his own two previous arrests involved violence and anger.


The whole thing was so easy to avoid. Wonder if his Dirty Harry moment lived up to his fantasy?

jonnyquest
jonnyquest

There certainly seemed to be an effort to railroad Zimmerman. Do you know what Martin was doing in Zimmerman's neighborhood?

sirandyinga
sirandyinga

@kschaeff Race card denied. This was a self defense case, not a race case. If you looked at the evidence you would see Zimmerman took a black girl to the prom, tutored black children in his home, protested the beating of a black homeless man named Sherman Ware by white police officers. Furthermore GZ's great grandfather was black.


jonnyquest
jonnyquest

You're right. The right of self defense endangers all of society. When attacked, so called "victims" should submit. If the attack is intended to be fatal, have the good grace to die quiety. Think of the children.

sirandyinga
sirandyinga

@fratdawgg23 You forgot the part where Trayvon comes back 4 minutes later from 70-100 yards away and attacks GZ breaking his nose, pounding his head into the ground, and trying to grab his gun.

Not guilty-self defense

yourproductsucks
yourproductsucks

@truthseekeraz Truth is, mandatory sentencing is legislated as a deterrent to crimes involving guns...It's a failed deterrent since you can't legislate evil out of existance.

sirandyinga
sirandyinga

@jonnyquest  Martin's dad was staying a few days with his girlfriend Brandy Green. Trayvon had been suspended from school and his mother sent him to stay with his dad because she could not handle him.

Rather then punishing Trayvon,Tracy Martin let him walk the streets while he and his girlfriend were out partying.

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@truthseekeraz  

Never fire a warning shot.  It's just as illegal to fire a shot into the air (or ceiling) as a warning as it is to fire one to celebrate, since it isn't using deadly force in self defense.

If you are in fear for your life, shoot the attacker in the center of mass, enough times to neutralize the threat, then stop.  Given modern medicine and good response time by paramedics, you probably won't even kill them.

 

david_saint01
david_saint01

@truthseekeraz this chode sirandy thinks its cool to talk about other peoples kids being killed truth..(directed at me)..dont waste your time with he/she..as ron white said, "you cant fix stupid" 

jonnyquest
jonnyquest

It's hard to find the truth behind all the emotion in this case. Do you know what Martin was doing in Zimmerman's neighborhood?

sirandyinga
sirandyinga

@yourproductsucks@fratdawgg23You are a liar.

“Robert J. Zimmerman served as a full-time magistrate from 2000-2006. Please be advised that in Virginia magistrates are judicial officers, but they are not considered "judges" and do not possess trial jurisdiction. More detailed information on the role of the magistrate in Virginia is available on Virginia's Judicial System Website .”


During that time period you did not even need a college degree for the position.


Cozz
Cozz topcommenter

@yourproductsucks

I agree. You can increase sentencing all you want, you can enhance the sentencing, you can ban guns and do whatever you think it is that will reduce violence, but the fact is evil people do evil things and nothing will ever change that.

david_saint01
david_saint01

@sirandyinga @david_saint01 still waiting on you to admit you wouldnt like some stranger following you around, or your child. its kind of laughable to me you think a person being followed has no right to stand their ground, and defend themselves to what they perceive as a imminent threat to them

sirandyinga
sirandyinga

@david_saint01@sirandyinga If he continued in that direction the crime scene would not be 70-100 yards away moron. When you FOLLOW someone you end up close to THEIR destination idiot.

Trayvon either made it back to the place he was staying or was close to making it back to there.

Sybrina Fulton on Good morning America:“…Trayvon as an average teenager that was minding his own business, that wasn’t committing any crime, that was coming home from the store and was feet away from where he was actually going,”


How come Trayvon died 70-100 yards away if he was just FEET AWAY like Sybrina Fulton claimed?

According to Rachel Jeantel, in a sworn statement,  Trayvon made it to the place he was staying at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfVTM8sqz4k about 9:19 

Zimmerman Trial Day 4: Jeantel: When phone reconnect, TM said he was in back of his father fiance's home.

These are 3 people on the Prosecutors side who Trayvon either made it back or was close to making it back.


Waiting for you to explain why the crime scene was 70-100 yards away from where TM was staying at buffoon.








david_saint01
david_saint01

@sirandyinga @david_saint01 lol you just said it right there! "he lost him"..so, why did he continue in that direction genius? lol i keep telling you, were just going to go round and round on this..learn im not going to give up on that FACT, and move on..or continue to waste your time trying to convince me of something i will never believe..lol thats on you..the verdict is what it is..im not upset about that really..there was reasonable doubt. My issue is with people thinking he had a right to follow a kid, PERIOD, based on some unfounded suspicion..even though the guy he talked about with the robberies had been caught the week before. Thus, he really had no right to follow him..unless he made a predetermination about martin with no basis or merit, other than his appearance..which is called "profiling". and cops technically arent allowed to profile (though we know they do anyways)., so you do the math..now, dont talk about other peoples kids the way you did..admit you wouldnt like someone assuming youre a criminal and following you around, or your child..and have a nice day 

sirandyinga
sirandyinga

@david_saint01@sirandyinga Why talk about following since GZ never followed him after the dispatcher asked him not to.

Dispatcher: What’s your apartment number?
Zimmerman: It’s a home it’s 1950, oh crap I don’t want to give it all out, I don’t know where this kid is.

Rachel Jeantel: "Trayvon lost him"


How do you follow someone when you don't know where they are fool?

david_saint01
david_saint01

@sirandyinga @david_saint01 @truthseekeraz dude you have been insinuating that the entire conversation..that because of "suspicion" it gave him the right to follow him...but you never answered my question about how you would like it being followed around by a stranger..so, im going to take that as a no..typical republican/tea kook.."do as i say, not as i do". youre done little one..bye bye 

david_saint01
david_saint01

@sirandyinga @david_saint01 @truthseekeraz ps my father put me in boxing at age 11...i was always taught to run..but when you run, and they continue to follow, then what do you expect the kid to do..crawl up in a ball and hope for the best? like i said..use some common sense. if no one is around to help, teaching a child to defend themselves is prudence, not "thug" behavior..whats so hard to understand about this concept? better to be prepared, then suffer the consequences. oh, and you are fighting a losing battle trying to call me out to people ive been commenting with for years..they know me, you dont. 

david_saint01
david_saint01

@sirandyinga @david_saint01 @truthseekeraz your lack of intellligence regarding stalking kids is amusing to me..dont blame me when some parent, or the kid, reacts..i tried to explain to you the dangers of doing so..you choose not to listen. So, go follow someones kid around..see how that works out for you 

sirandyinga
sirandyinga

@david_saint01 @truthseekeraz Davey the moron stated that he would teach his kids to attack others who "follow" them and I said don't be surprised if the end up like Trayvon. Rational people teach their kids to call police and flee rather than act like thugs.

yourproductsucks
yourproductsucks

@truthseekeraz You are as out of touch with reality as they come.  Zimmerman's father was not a judge in Arizona, so your dilusional mantra is meaningless.

david_saint01
david_saint01

@sirandyinga @truthseekeraz @yourproductsucks ill follow up on this issue..i agree she left and came back, but when it comes to an abused spouse there should be some leniency. After all, how many times has this happened only for the wife to be found dead the next time. Im not advocating that she get off scott free, but a suspended sentence with probation seemed more to fit this case. Not 20 years. (i know thats the language of the law, but exceptions should be made in egregious cases like this i think)

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