Bill Montgomery's Apartheid Policies Challenged by Puente's Carlos Garcia in Videotaped Confrontation

At one point, Garcia mentions the case of Sol Zenil, a 23 year-old undocumented woman who spent six months in jail nonbondable on bogus charges, which Monty's officewas forced to drop to a misdemeanor, after it was discovered she had been using her own lawfully obtained Social Security Number to work.

As Garcia observes, the Zenil case demonstrates that Monty has prosecutorial discretion to reduce all of these unjust felony charges against the undocumented to misdemeanors, not just when the MCAO screws up a case.

My favorite exchange in the video occurs when Garcia states that Montgomery obviously has aspirations to statewide office. Then Monty insists that he is not running for governor.

"That's good to know," Garcia responds, "because I don't think anybody in our community would even think about voting for you right now."

Montgomery never recovers from this tongue-lashing. Scarlet-faced, he attempts to defend himself, making an unusual autobiographical claim, which I've never heard before.

"I know exactly what it looks like when your parent goes away and you don't see them," Montgomery tells the audience. "My father spent time in prison. I know exactly what it looks like. I know exactly what it is to fear what's going to happen, where's food going to be at that night, when are they going to come back? I know. Do not try to tell me I'm acting in ignorance on that point."

I've heard Monty sing the blues about his supposedly impoverished upbringing in California, but this is the first time I've heard him drop that his pop was in prison. What for, I wonder?

If this sob story is true, he has even less reason for treating the undocumented as he does. Because I'm guessing Monty's dad did something a lot worse to land in the Big House than working at a restaurant or garment factory.

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bill
bill

I think it's time for another recall.


ConcernedCitizenAZ
ConcernedCitizenAZ topcommenter

Reposted a spot-on comment that is too good to get buried. It says it all so succinctly.  

david_saint016 days ago

Dear Monty, if you tried to find the evidence against arpaio as hard as you work on undocumented cases, youd find it pretty easily..GET OFF YOUR ASS AND START LOOKING! ps start acting like the West Point man you claim to be, and less like a politician

ConcernedCitizenAZ
ConcernedCitizenAZ topcommenter

The video is a great public service. You can see Montgomery turn beet red with anger. Montgomery says "show me the evidence". A stonewall tactic, when there's years of documents in the Maricopa County Attorney's office and the Maricopa County Sheriff's office that is unless they was shredded. Taxpayers are tired of the MCAO wasting our tax dollars on stall tactics on this well established case. Montgomery failed to address Mr. Garcia's serious concerns and questions. We are talking about lives and families here. Parents never to come back. Their America citizen children thrown into the broken CPS system where they is no love like that of their own mother and father. Montgomery's solution is more destruction and dysfunctional children and families. War time strategy -- destroy the women and children and their families. 

DNichols
DNichols

If Tom Horne was an undocumented Immigrant Montgomery would have sought the death penalty for his trivial crimes, and would have never intentionally screwed up the case.

Arpaio has strong ties to Racist Neo Nazi's , and has been photograhed conversing with them at an  Immigration March where Arpaio's Pal J.T. Ready stood in front of Arpaio's tent city jail as a center peice between M.C.S.O. Deputies sreaming Racial Obcenities at Women and Children in Arpaio's honor.

Could Arpaio's raids be racially motivated?!

dennis20
dennis20 topcommenter

Somehow, in the world of the racists, working is worse than drinking.

 I guess working is what causes under age dui's and deaths. Not drinking. 

 They say racism and ignorance go hand in hand.  IYPS and JAFFY keep proving that with every post. But they are entertaining. 

dennis20
dennis20 topcommenter

Props to Carlos Garcia for putting Montgomery in his place.  The employers are not charged even when it's obviuos they forged documents as in at least 2 cases. ( look them up. Lemons wrote about both) Fake ID's used to by liquor by mostly white college students are treated as slap on the wrist offenses yet workers are hunted, jailed and prosecuted like hard core criminals. Only cowardly ass-hats like Montgomery and YPS could defend this type of injustice. Neither do very well at it either.  

ExpertShot
ExpertShot topcommenter

The only thing about Monty's response regarding whether he knows what people separated from their parents feel is that this issue was not even brought up by Mr. Garcia.  Monty used this as an excuse not to address the actual points of overcharging the people which Mr. Garcia did bring up.  The fact that Monty knows how bad it is and STILL DOES IT, tells volumes about Monty's lack of compassion for the children of these people who are charged.

yourproductsucks
yourproductsucks

Carlos Garcia is a pussy.  I watched him back down and let others get arrested in his stead.  He has no moxy, whatsoever. 

stephen, what was the outcome of the melendrez v. arpaio trial?

It's interesting that the media has largely ignored the complaints of racial profiling and discrimination against DoJ Attorney Thomas Perez (the author of the DoJ letter used to bolster pussy garcia's points) and the investigation reference those complaints.

Garcia sounded like a moron.  Thomas' rebuttle was intelligent and accurate.  I'm certain Garcia had no idea that Montgomery's father had done prison time.  That fallacious appeal to emotion fell flat on it's face.

DNichols
DNichols

Bill Montgomery is just another Racist Arpaio "Puppet" jumping for Arpaio no matter of the absolute "Evil" Persecution of good Families, ripping Parents away from their Legal Citizen Children.

Adolph Hitler and his S.S. thought that they were "Enforcing thier Laws" as well.

America needs to realize that there are "Human Rights " being Trampled by Arpaio, and his "Henchmen"!

Stop the Racism/Hate.

America was Built on Far Better Principles, and Values than those of Racist Bill Montgomery, and his Boss the "Tyrant" Arpaio.

History will show Arpaio, Pearce,Thomas, Brewer, Montgomery, ect. for the Racist Trash they are.

To:Humane Immigration Reform.

alwesley
alwesley

I am so tired of Montgomery saying he needs to see the proof of racial profiling from doj. He is counting on people being ignorant. He had all the proof he could ever want from mcso. That is where the doj got it. It's very simple. Go over the simple percentages. That in itself is proof enough for any intelligent person.

Reggievv
Reggievv

Monty's action seem like North Koreans charging someone with "crimes against State security". Class 4 felony? Ludicrous! Lets see, these people are working at low end jobs, paying taxes, keeping quiet. Yup, sound like felons---- to Kim Il-sung. Maybe we should put their families in prison to the third generation. Just to be sure to protect the State.

theloushow
theloushow

PHOENIX TALKBACK RADIO SHOW - 2013 April 28, 2013 (Show #5)
THE THOMAS KOBACH MONTGOMERY SHOW
Welcome back to "Phoenix Talkback", the world's first Jewish-Chicano Radio Show!!
IN THE FIRST HALF: Lou and Bobby broach the week's biggest news, that Kris Kobach filed suit in Texas against Obama's DACA program, disgraced and delusional former Maricopa County Attorney Andrew Thomas has declared himself a candidate for Governor, and; Bill Montgomery has been creating alliances with local organizations that really need to denounce his prosecutorial disrespect of the Undocumented.
IN THE SECOND HALF: Gail, the Bohemian Activist and Viva, a local Chicano Citizen, join in on a panel discussion about Andrew Thomas, Bill Montgomery, and the general state of politics in Arizona.  Belle calls in.  (This show originated out of KFNX Studios, Phoenix, Arizona, 10:00 AM - 11:00 AM, on April 28, 2013)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKkmMDt4e5k

robert_graham
robert_graham

If you don't want to be separated from your family don't break the law. All illegal aliens should be required to leave the country immediately and take their families with them so they won't be separated.

robert_graham
robert_graham

Give me a fucking break, is this a fucking joke or what? Those people broke the law and they were locked up where they belong regardless if they have families or not. Not only were they caught working in this country illegally but they stole identities to do so. And you don't think they should not be thrown in jail? Where is your logic and common sense?

Mr. Lemons, since you feel that stealing identities is okay, let me dig for your social security number and post it for anybody to use. Or have you already given it to illegal aliens to work.

ConcernedCitizenAZ
ConcernedCitizenAZ topcommenter

@dennis20  Only those who have to live under the years long reign of terror in Maricopa County have credibility. MCAO has NO credibility. Montgomery inherited a disgraced office from disbarred ex-MCAO Andrew Thomas and his chief charging prosecutor, ex-DCA Lisa Aubuchon, also disbarred, and has done nothing to right the wrongs done in the name of the Maricopa County Attorney's office or to change it. Just more of the same. An unbalanced justice system, with all the resources, money, and power to crush whoever they want. No accountability, no oversight and absolute immunity = tyranny.

yourproductsucks
yourproductsucks

@dennis20 title 4 deals with alcohol related offences.  I assure you there are as many Mexicans using fake id's to purchase alcohol as there are "white college students".  You can't avoid race baiting, can you?

yourproductsucks
yourproductsucks

@ExpertShot Garcia appealed to emotion in his argument, parading the children out, Montgomey put Garcia in check.  It was rather comical to see a West Point Graduate, in impromptu fashion, face check Garcia's planned attack of fallacy.

yourproductsucks
yourproductsucks

@ExpertShot The Statutes are clear.  If you are of the mind that they are too harsh, legislation is the mode of change.  Asking the County Attorney to ignore criminal statutes is not.

Bill Montgomery is doing his job.  You want change?  Write your legislator.

yourproductsucks
yourproductsucks

@alwesley The DoJ gave up all their "evidence" in Melendrez v arpaio... it wasn't even sufficient enough to meet a preponderance of evidence threshold. 

No evidence, only hyperbole.  Perez attempted to bully Arpaio and lost.

shadeaux14
shadeaux14

@alwesley Problem is that there is a definite shortage of "Intelligent Persons" in Arizona.

IdontRecall
IdontRecall

@jJAFFY. Are U aware that soon all those "Illegals" are going to get a working permit and LEGAL STATUS, and there's nothing U can do or the cesspool of racist like U. Then U R gonna be foaming from UR mouth, and shiting alll over the place and not able to do anyfucking thing. how about that. BTW, U need to start learning spanish or U R going to be left behind as U always been left. Probably all UR hate for those "Illegals" comes from not beign  able to get UR gaping vagina fucked by one of them, ah JaffyBoi. U R DESPICABLE & U R THE ILLEGAL.

dennis20
dennis20 topcommenter

@JoeArpaioFan  Arpaio has yet to prove even one identity was stolen or damaged. Who stole his credit card info? That was identity theft. It wasn't any of those he arrests for working. 

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@JoeArpaioFan

Do it! Please, DO IT - it will be the first time you have EVER done any of the bullshit you say you are going to do.

You still haven't posted my name, even though you 'claim' to have it and said you would. So POST IT ALREADY!! Post my social security number as well!! 

Still waiting for you to do ONE thing you have said you were going to do Robert.

What's my name bitch?

IdontRecall
IdontRecall

@JAFFYBOI, U R A SCANDALOUS LITTLE BIATCH, all UR rantings are FUTILE 'cause not matter what U say or do, those "illegals" are going to be in this country and there's nothing U can do, even if the POS SHURF puts Them in His CONCENTRATION CAMPS or Monty makes Them removeable.These two (the POS and Monty) are the criminals and URself, since U R saying that U R going to "dig for Mr. Lemmons SS number and post it for anybody to use", I dare U to do so, unless is another one of UR empty threats. U R full of shit and semen JaffyBoi. GO EAZY ON THAT COCK AND ASS FAGBOI.

AllanC
AllanC

@JoeArpaioFan Do you believe that white college students who use bogus/stolen/"borrowed" ID to gain entry to drinking establishments should also be arrested for fraud and held without bail?  Or is this somehow different?

DNichols
DNichols

@YPS:

dennis20 spoke of racists? your response about Hispanic's, and Whites seems to prove he was addressing your World?

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@yourproductsucks@dennis20 

blah spin blah spin blah spin blah spin

You are a broken record with a deep scratch 

i.e. something that serves no purpose and is simply annoying

dennis20
dennis20 topcommenter

@yourproductsucks @dennis20  And you are wrong again.  Check the stats with Tempe. They are overwelmingly white.  Are you this ignorant or are you hoping someone will actually agree with you? 

dennis20
dennis20 topcommenter

 @yourproductsucks @ExpertShot  YPS,  Garcia appealed with facts.  If the truth is too much for your emotional state you may want to up the meds. 

ConcernedCitizenAZ
ConcernedCitizenAZ topcommenter

Write your legislator?? Are you kidding? Many have written them for years.  They do not answer. Montgomery knows that as well. The pattern is well established for years. No oversight. No accountability = tyranny.

dennis20
dennis20 topcommenter

@yourproductsucks @ExpertShot  This is the only county in the USA  targeting and over charging these Mickey mouse offenses purely to feed the blood thirsty racist base.  It's sick and anyone with an once of decency knows its wrong.  If there is a hell, those who applaud this will have a special place there forever.

dennis20
dennis20 topcommenter

@yourproductsucks @alwesley How ignorant are you? The Melendrez Vs. Arpaio case is where the DOJ will probably get evidence. They never contributed evidence to it. (duh)  The case is closed and we are waiting for the judges ruling. There was plenty of evidence even after Arpaio's goon squad destroyed some. Where you one of the losers who did that?  Your love for Arpaio is showing.  No surprise. You are still a coward and a dumb one at that. 

robert_graham
robert_graham

@IdontRecall HA!  That's what you think. You are only hoping they will but any reform as you see fit will be stopped before it happens. 

I guess that you don't care if an illegal alien comes and takes your job now do you because that's what would happen if reform passes.  You are despicable.

I have heard that if immigration reform passes the way you see fit, there will be civil unrest across the country because truth is the American people won't stand for it. 

The next petition circulated to recall will be Obama's. First it was health care and now it's immigration reform.  He has been a disgrace to this country since the first day he took office.

robert_graham
robert_graham

@IdontRecall I'm glad you don't like what I have to say but too bad. What's wrong with posting Mr. Lemon's Social Securuity number for others to use?  He thinks it's okay for illegals to use stolen numbers to work so let's let somebody use his or do you think it's only okay to use anybody's number except his?  Time to give him a taste of his own medicine.  And I should also dig up Matthew Hendley's and Ray Stern's SSN too because they too think using stolen identities is okay.  It shouldn't be too hard to find those numbers.

robert_graham
robert_graham

@AllanC @JoeArpaioFan Those white college students did not use bogus ID's to illegally work in this country.  Those white college students did not steal identities to put on those licenses. Those white college students did not defraud the American people. Those white college students are not in this country illegally. Those white college students did not steal people's social securuity numbers.

dennis20
dennis20 topcommenter

@yourproductsucks @dennis20 No dumbass. But Maricopa County is the only county in the entire USA where the laws are twisted so badly that working is considered ID theft , forgery and fraud. Real LE chases people who steal credit cards, etc., and cause actual harm.  Thats beyond Arpaio the media whore and its beyond your pea brain to comprehend so don't even try. 

yourproductsucks
yourproductsucks

@dennis20 Tempe is the only city where people drink underage? 

It's hard to race bait whilst using common sense.  If you were to pull stats from the swap meet at 35th ave and Buckeye, the people being arrested for underage consumption would be lopsidedly Hispanic.  Go to South Chandler, and you'd find the same thing.

dennis20
dennis20 topcommenter

@yourproductsucks @dennis20  My ignorance of what issue? It's you that is trying to change what is already known as history.  True enough, I am white and Arpaio's corupt behavior hasn't effected me personally. But it goes beyond your shallow vision of humanity as to why people care about others and get involved. Selfishness is a desease that effects the small minds of losers like you who only do something for personal gain. No wonder you don't get it. 

yourproductsucks
yourproductsucks

@dennis20 Your ignorance of the issue does not make it noneexistant.  You are the typical hanger on.  You have not been personally affected by arpaio yet you fly the banner and dismiss any others who don't fit into your like cube of reality.  What happened to you?  Some deputy told you not to kick a cone? 

You see tragedy and you leech onto it for personal gain.  You are a nobody, gilman.   

dennis20
dennis20 topcommenter

@yourproductsucks @dennis20  "we deputies" ? 

I have no isea what DOJ investigation of Arpaio started in 2003.  Weren't you vacationing with Hendershott in Honduras back then? The racial profiling one started in 2009.  If you deputies had half the courage Carlos Garcia has shown you would do the right thing and come out. Instead you hide like the cowards you all are.   Go clean Arpaio's bed pan. Thats all you are good for these days. 

yourproductsucks
yourproductsucks

@dennis20 Melendrez happened long after the DoJ started their investigation...years after.

The DoJ's investigation began in 2003.  Mark Flatten was a pivotal person we deputies used to help initiate that investigation.  The DoJ proved to be incapable of producing.  They continue their incompetence.  You race baiter's brought nothing to assist in our efforts to defeat arpaio. 

dennis20
dennis20 topcommenter

@yourproductsucks @dennis20 Wrong again dumbass. 

The Melendrez case was started before the DOJ ever filed one. It's been going on for years.  It dates back to when your hero GWB was in office. And the DOJ's racial profiling case against Arpaio is still on-going.  Can't you at least try to do some research? You sure are making a fool of yourself defending Arpaio. 


yourproductsucks
yourproductsucks

@dennis20 The DoJ completed their investigation and closed their case.  melendrez was the backdoor attempt by the DoJ (who worked in concert with the aclu's hunting spree) and they found nothing to support the letter Perez constructed for no legal purpose. 

You lemmings are lost if you think the DoJ is coming to save the day.  That ship sailed long long ago. 

Your name calling is meaningless to me.   

dennis20
dennis20 topcommenter

@alwesley  sorry to tag you in that last comment. It was meant for YPS, Arpaio's troll in LE. 

david_saint01
david_saint01 topcommenter

@JoeArpaioFan @IdontRecall lol i think weve shown, at this point your vague threats mean jack shit to us. just how exactly do you plan on getting said numbers by the way? illegally hacking the SSN dept? stalking them and going through their trash? lol you use words you dont know the meaning of, i doubt you are even smart enough. 

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@JoeArpaioFan stop flapping your gums and do it. you have been making all kinds of threats and promises and have yet to keep a single one of them. all your words are hollow and meaningless. you should have over 200,000 names to pick from for your threats to post the petition signers info, yet you have produced nothing. you dont even have to post all 200,000 plus names, just a few will do, yet again...........you do nothing. every word that comes out of your mouth rings with cowardice and lies. be a man of action and follow up on any one of your multiple threats or boasts and finish something you started.

dennis20
dennis20 topcommenter

@yourproductsucks @dennis20 No they did not. They closed only because they needed to hire new people. What were they cited with? DUH! You are such a dumbass. 

yourproductsucks
yourproductsucks

@dennis20 Pei Wei lost quite a bit.  They shut down several of their locations for months after their illegal help fled the stores not served.

dennis20
dennis20 topcommenter

@yourproductsucks @danzigsdaddy When will businesses lose anything for knowingly hiring undocumented? Answer=not in Maricopa County with Arpaio or Monty.  Even when they or a foerman forged info which is why some of the cases dropped allowed the workers off.  

yourproductsucks
yourproductsucks

@danzigsdaddy all crime is not equal.

Businesses lose licenses when they are negligent in their due dilligence to thart underage purchasers. 

yourproductsucks
yourproductsucks

@Eleanor_Holguin fake id's used to gain entry into a club and purchase a six pack of beer at the Circle K does not have the same negative repercussions as one who uses the identity of another to gain benefits, employment, credit...The fallacious distraction used by lemons lemmings in making a comparison between 19 year old kids commiting status offenses and adults defrauding the system is the perfect example of a comparison other argument. 

Title 4 deals specifically with alcohol violations.  Using a fake Id to enter into a 21 and over bar or underage purchasing of alcohol is appropriately charged as a class 1 misdemeanor.  No Store owner, barkeep or any other person "visiting" the establishment is in any risk because an 18 year old gets in using their older brother's drivers license.

marcy
marcy

@JoeArpaioFan @AllanC 

In Jaffy's usual rant of ignorance he makes it obvious that he doesn't actually know what the law says.

In Arizona it is illegal to use someone else's identity even if, get this, that other person DOESN'T exist.  That's right, it is identity theft if you make up a Social Security number that doesn't exist.


danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@Eleanor_Holguin yep, a crime is still a crime. just because they arent using it to draw a paycheck doesnt mean it wont cost us. businesses can lose their lisences, drunk driving fatalities occur and the list goes on

Eleanor_Holguin
Eleanor_Holguin

@JoeArpaioFan @AllanC You are wrong. Using another persons id is illegal no matter what the use is.

Those "white" college students and the non white ones too defraud the American people each time they use that illegal id to purchase alcohol.

Defrauding business owners and putting every other person in the bar or store at risk.

Try thinking before you blow your load fluffing yourself. 

 


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