Joe Arpaio Recall Scores 120K Valid Signatures: 85 Days Left, a Little Over 215K More to Go

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Chad Snow of Citizens for a Better Arizona lambasting Arpaio's lies and slurs against recall organizers

With Sheriff Joe Arpaio still out of commission from his "broken arm," and with Respect Arizona's announcement today that they have 120,000 valid signatures demanding his recall, Arpaio's best career move at this point would be to resign from office for health reasons.

See also:
-Why Sheriff Joe Actually Is Nervous About the Recall Effort Against Him

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No wonder Arpaio's sick...

(Note: I first reported this via Twitter, beginning early this a.m. So, like, follow me, bitches.)

Or choke on the proverbial chicken bone. Because the recall is bearing down on him like a semi with no brakes, and as Arpaio's campaign guru Chad Willems has already admitted, if Respect Arizona scores the needed 335,317 signatures from qualified electors, then, "Joe Arpaio goes away."

According to Lilia Alvarez, the recall's campaign manager, RA has scored around 150,000 signatures total, 120,000 of which have been verified via the county's voter access network.

Standing next to an illustration showing the recall's progress in the law offices of Snow and Carpio, with recall supporters behind her, and stacks of recall petitions before her, Alvarez noted the more than 5,000 new voters registered by the effort so far.

"We are...committed to seeing justice in Maricopa County," said Alvarez at the press conference, standing next to an illustration showing the recall's progress. "This thermometer is symbolic of that. We are on the move toward justice."


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david_saint01
david_saint01

ok, lets do this..anyone looking for a signature gatherer, please post a public area close to you and lets see if we cant get a few out to your areas... ( i am not part of the recall org, but i do support it and have no problem finding out and trying to coordinate this for you all..)

Tiffany Wohl
Tiffany Wohl

Nick, you can volunteer ANYWHERE you want to! I have volunteered by simply printing out the petition sheets (on legal paper) from this website: www.recallarpaio.com On that website, you can sign up into their system to volunteer, or make a donation. I just carry the forms with me everywhere i go and it is really that easy! there is also a facebook page called "People Against Sheriff Joe Arpaio" that is a great source of information on the efforts. You can join conversations and stay up to date...Respect Arizona also has a fb page with info...they typically post a schedule for the weekend of locations and times where you can sign, though i havent seen a schedule for this week yet, likely because they are hosting an event down town saturday and need help and volunteers. You should attend and tell your friends! Here's the event listing for this Saturday, 9am-1pm1550 N. Central Ave. Suite 300 https://www.facebook.com/events/351179065000081/

Nick Atkins
Nick Atkins

Hey Tiffany is there any way to know check where/when volunteers will be? I've already signed and have been pestering my roomates too as well, but we live in the east valley. Is there a website or anything we can use to figure out where would be the closest volunteer?

toersbijnsc
toersbijnsc

One has got to be thinking about the next power grab if Joe retires or gets booted by recall - there have to be multiple snakes scurrying (do snakes scurry) for a power position in case Joe leaves,. Much unlike the Hugo Chavez departure (of yeah he died) his wishes willl not be followed as the game will be played by jungle rules and not nice.. good luck MCSO.. I foresee splintered powerplays in the near future, for it is with high certainty Joe willl go

Tommy_Collins
Tommy_Collins

The old man took his first fall last week. This next fall is going to be a huge crash heard around the world and is going to be politically fatal to him (not a threat). He will be ushered out to pasture in the snow laden fields of Massachusetts, I hope. I'm hearing some of the neighbors on Via Del Sol are complaining about him, again.

Tiffany Wohl
Tiffany Wohl

I think those numbers are low...there are hundreds of collected petition sheets in the hands of volunteers that have yet to be turned in, like mine! We well have a new sheriff in November and that makes me sooo excited! Although a recall election is not free, it would cost us a very small fraction of what it would cost us to go through another 4 years of injustices. Did you know, we pay a $5million dollar insurance deductible for case settlements, which is an increase from the previous $1 mil deductible we used to pay because of the increase in cases? There are still 2400 cases that are on the books to still go to court. Although you may not see the logic in this recall effort, I assure you, it is 100% legal, and within our rights as spelled out in the AZ constitution. If you don't like that, change the laws...until then, we have the right to exercise our rights within the laws as they are written today. I'll be at bookmans tonight on 19th ave and northern from 7pm-9:30ish if you would like to sign! :)

Warrior-X
Warrior-X

I think RA needs to expand beyond the borders of Phoenix. They need to trek out to Mesa, Chandler, Gilbert, Scottsdale, Tempe, Glendale, Surprise etc. There are plenty of voters out there, who are not within the Phoenix area, who wish to get their signatures on that recall petition. That will add a whole of extra sigs to the cause.

WhoKnows
WhoKnows topcommenter

Is AZREDNECK actually little Robby Jaffy's new pen name?  Jaffy himself has gone missing!

Dolly
Dolly

Lemon's man crush for Arpaio is kind of cute in a gross way.

James Rate-McIntyre
James Rate-McIntyre

I didn't vote for him. I don't like him. He's a jackass. But he's a jackass that keeps winning, so clearly some people do like him. What I don't like is the idea of another long, drawn-out campaign process that will end with the same result. If he couldn't win while the anti-anti-immigration fervor was at it's loudest, why would he lose now? There are too many people upset about the ICE releases and amnesty laws for him to lose, especially if there is an extra election specifically because the man they elected is under what they would perceive as an attack. Meanwhile, he's not doing the job people elected him to do because he's wasting time (and therefore taxpayer money) on a recall election. Democracy is not being a stick in the mud because of a difference in ideals, it's about evolving the ideals of government into those of the people. It may not always work, and it certainly may not end up representing our personal views, but that's just how it goes sometimes. That's okay. It's why positions like his are decided by elections and not appointed, and why we have election cycles. The sickest thing about all of this to me is the New Times trotting out more #Journalism from people like the author of this article, a man with a very clear, easily-evidenced bias. A man literally rooting for a recall election. And a foray into political discourse by someone who refers to his readers, albeit sarcastically, as bitches.

AZREDNECK1958
AZREDNECK1958

YALL DONE PISSED ME OFF.  LISTEN HERE.  IM TIRED OF ALL THE THREATS ON MY EMAIL AND TRYING TO CUT ME DOWN A NOTCH.   I AM A PROUD ARIZONA CITIZEN.  I AM WHO I AM.  I TALK THE WAY I TALK.  I WALK THE WAY I WALK.  I EAT THE WAY I EAT.  AND I SPEAK THE WAY I SPEAK.  I AM A DAMN PROUD REDNECK YOULL EVER MEET IN YOUR LIFES.  ALL I ASK IS THAT YALL RESPECT THE OLDER AUTHORITY AND THE WAY WERE RUNNIN THE STATE.  TRUST ME YALL DONT WANT IT RAN THE WAY ITS RUN IN CALIFORNIA.  THEY CANT EVEN HAVE RIFLES OVER THERE.  WE DONT WANT THAT HERE DO WE? 

david_saint01
david_saint01

@Nick Atkins FWD:Tiffany Wohl

5 hours ago

I think those numbers are low...there are hundreds of collected petition sheets in the hands of volunteers that have yet to be turned in, like mine! We well have a new sheriff in November and that makes me sooo excited! Although a recall election is not free, it would cost us a very small fraction of what it would cost us to go through another 4 years of injustices. Did you know, we pay a $5million dollar insurance deductible for case settlements, which is an increase from the previous $1 mil deductible we used to pay because of the increase in cases? There are still 2400 cases that are on the books to still go to court. Although you may not see the logic in this recall effort, I assure you, it is 100% legal, and within our rights as spelled out in the AZ constitution. If you don't like that, change the laws...until then, we have the right to exercise our rights within the laws as they are written today. I'll be at bookmans tonight on 19th ave and northern from 7pm-9:30ish if you would like to sign! :)

david_saint01
david_saint01

@Nick Atkins go to any library, they should be there...if not respond, and ill help you find a location

stefrod60
stefrod60

@Tommy_Collins What is wrong with you people?  We need more like him............its about time these people do their jobs, he did his............YOU ARE A BUNCH OF IDIOTS, must be a bunch of kids!


david_saint01
david_saint01

@Tiffany Wohl thanks for your efforts Tiffany!! 

deniseaz2003
deniseaz2003

@Lone_Wolf i was checking the bus map, there is just a few places West as the bus goes , . may have to get some time this next week and try to get at least as far as the bus can take west . and give it a go , 

pszymeczek
pszymeczek

@Lone_Wolf I know they've been in Mesa - last week, in fact.  Makes me wish I had a permanent address up here so I could change my registration.

Warrior-X
Warrior-X

@WhoKnows Just why do you worry so much about this Mexican-turned-woman-arpaio-ass-licker JAFucker? Its best to let him/her/it be and forget about him/her/it. If JAFucker is weirdly obsessed with illegal aliens. Then you're somehow obsessed with that enemy.

MotherJones
MotherJones

@Dolly Wishing someon e chokes oin a bone and dies is a man crush? Nutty.

david_saint01
david_saint01

@AZREDNECK1958 then turn your alert off..no one is emailing you directly...lol arpaio supporters pissed me off long ago, but i deal with it...im sure you  can too

JohnQ.Public
JohnQ.Public

@AZREDNECK1958 WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO CONVINCE YOU DAT YOU HAVE NO IDEAR WHAT YUR TALKING ABOUT? DAT DEAR SHERF IS A BAAAD MAAAN. HE DONE DID RESPONSIBLE FUR HIS PEOPLES. DAT MAYR GOT HIMSELF NO SAY OVR DAT DER SHERFS OFFICE. DAT GUBNER JAN GOT HERSELF NO AUTHURTY OVER DAT DER SHERF. DAT SHERF IS RESPONSBLE FOR HIS DEPUTIES AND HIS DEPUTIES DONE KILLED PEOPLE IN DAT SHERFS JAIL. DOES DAT HEP YOU UNDERSTAND DAT DE SHERF IS A BAAAD MAAAN?

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@AZREDNECK1958  so you want us to respect an older authority? how about respecting the people who fought for this country? Marty Atencio was a damn fine American who like myself and many others put his life on the line for this country and how was he repaid? they beat and tased a mentally ill vet into brain death. this was done by a bunch of spineless cowards who revelled in the punishment they heaped on a man who never came back from his war the same. and do you know what the man you are touting as a patriot did to his people after they did this to him? NOTHING, he did nothing at all to discipline those people. he even ran the booking photo of the guy they killed on the front page of his "Slammer" magazine to make fun of the guy the killed. they have no remorse for killing a man who gave everything to his country.   nice way to treat us vets isnt it? and thats who you want us to respect? screw that, i respected my enemies in Grenada more than I respect that asswipe rapist loving sheriff

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@AZREDNECK1958 

Threats in your email? Were YOU stupid enough to give out your actual email address?

" ALL I ASK IS THAT YALL RESPECT THE OLDER AUTHORITY AND THE WAY WERE RUNNIN THE STATE"

No, just because you are older does not mean you get automatic respect. You earn respect from me through your actions. When I SEE you do something worthy of respect, you will get it.

The more you demand I respect you simply because of the quirk that you were born before me, the more I have NO respect for you since you are DEMANDING something you have not earned.

So far you have done nothing to earn my respect. Actually quite the opposite.


As to your being 'pissed off' - better than being pissed on, maybe you should just be thankful for that.

ExpertShot
ExpertShot topcommenter

@stefrod60 @Tommy_Collins But he is NOT doing his job - he may be doing the part of his job you want him to do, but he is not protecting our children from sexual predators nor the jail inmates from undue punishment, two of his ACTUAL jobs.  The most important part of his job is serving warrants, he is DEFINITELY NOT DOING THAT JOB!!!  He's not even doing a good job at what he prefers to do, round up undocumented workers - he's spent a MASSIVE amount of money with very few people actually deported.  Other law enforcement agencies around the State do a much better job at picking up undocumented people than Sheriff Joe does.  You are completely NUTS if you think he's doing his job - he's simply NOT and we're going to get rid of his ass in the way our State Constitution and laws of Maricopa County say we can -  RECALL.


AZREDNECK1958
AZREDNECK1958

@danzigsdaddy YALL GOT AN AGENDA THOUGH AND IM SORRY THAT ALL THIS HAPPENED BUT THIS AINT THE SHERIFFS FAULT.  I WISH YOU WOULD SEE THAT AND KNOW THAT THE GOOD SHERIFF DOESNT MEAN ALL THIS, THIS IS BECAUSE OF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COLLECTION PAYCHECKS TRYING TO WORK FOR THE SHERIFF.  THATS ALL THEYVE DONE IS SIT BACK AND COLLECT A PAYCHECK FROM THE GOVERNMENT WHILE THESE THINGS HAPPEN AND JUST BLAME IT ALL ON THE SHERIFF.  

JohnQ.Public
JohnQ.Public

@PissOnArpaio @AZREDNECK1958 I DONE HAD A HORSE NAMED PROZAC ONCE. KEPT FALLING ASLEEP ON DEM DAR TRAILS UP IN DA HILLS. YOU CITY SLICKERS HAVE NO IDEAR WHAT IT'S LIKE TO HAVE A SLEEPY HORSE ON DEM STEEP TRAILS IN DEM YONDER HILLS.

AZREDNECK1958
AZREDNECK1958

@Flyer9753 MAM THATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE OLDER AND YOUNGER FOLK.  YALL HAVE NO RESPECT FOR AUTHORITY.  CANT EVEN LOOK YOUR OWN GRANDPARENTS IN THE EYES AND TELL EM THAT YOU AINT TURNED COMMUNIST.  YALL THINK ALL OF US WILL GO AHEAD AND JUST EVAPORATE LIKE SOME HORSE PISS IN THE DESERT, BUT LIKE I TOLD THE OTHER ONE IF MORE OF US OLDER FOLK HAD ACCESS TO INTERNETS AND COMPUTER  SCREENS YOU MIGHT SEE A CHANGE OF SITUATION.  AND ALSO MOST OF YALL GREW UP WITH IPHONES IN YOUR HAND THINKIN YOU KNOW THE ULTIMATE UTOPIA. 

JohnQ.Public
JohnQ.Public

@Flyer9753 @JohnQ.Public NOW MY FLEET ENMA IS STARTING TO TAKE EFFECT SO I GOT ME SOME PERSONAL BIZNUSS TO TAKE CARE OF BUT I'LL BE THINKING OF YOU FLIPPY FANCY FLYER WHILE I'M PICKING THE SLIVERS FROM MY WOOD TOILET SET OUT IF MY ARSE AFTER IM DONE TAKEN CARE OF MY BIZNUSS IN DAT DER OUTHOUSE

JohnQ.Public
JohnQ.Public

@Flyer9753 DON'T YOU START THINKING YOU CAN SWEET TALK ME THER MISSY CAUSE I DON'T GO THAT WAY LIKE YOU PHIL GORDON LOVIN CITY FOLK. YOU CAN GET ALL MAN MUSHY THERE FLIPPY FLYER BUT NOT ME SIR. GIVE ME MY TRUSTY HORSE PROZAC AND DEM YONDER HILLS AND I'LL SCHOOL YOU ON HOW DAT MAYOR IS RUINING DIS HERE COUNTY.

JohnQ.Public
JohnQ.Public

@Flyer9753 YOU DON'T KNOW NUTTIN DERE YOU YOUNG WHIPPER SNAPPER THERE FLYER. WHAT ARE YOU SOME SORT OF PILOT OF THOSE NEW FANGLY METAL BIRDS UP IN DA SKY? YOU THINK JUST CAUSE YOU CAN FLY THOSE NEW FANGLY JETS THAT YOU THEM THAR KNOW HOW TO ENFORCE OUR HERE LAWS. YOU DON'T KNOW HOW KEEP THEM THAR I-LEGALS IN THEM THAR PLACE!! YOU DONE NEED TO LISTEN TO YUR ELDERS CAUSE WE SAW WHAT HAPPENED WHEN PEOPLE GET UPPITY DON'T NO LONGER NO DER PLACE. YOU DON'T KNOW NUTTIN THERE YOU FANCY FLIPPY FLYER.

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@AZREDNECK1958 @Flyer9753 @danzigsdaddy  

No one is fogetting upholding the law, but they have to work within the law too.

A lot of other police departments all across this country, thousands of them, uphold the law without violating it themselves and MCSO should be able to do the same.

What about the several people who have died in Arpaio's jails who have not been convicted of a crime? Don't they deserve the same justice as you would demand?

Guilty people are punished yet people who have not been found guilty are dying in Arpaios jails, but you call this justice - so I can just accuse you of a crime, I have not presented any evidence, you have not had your day in court, yet I can beat you up or kill you because you committed a crime right? Who cares that I have not proven that yet, right? That's exactly what you are saying.

You are doing nothing but making excuses and having to scrape deeper and deeper each time to come up with excuses as Danzig and I tear each of your offered excuses, to shit. 

Personally I think you are just being a troll, arguing to argue.

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@AZREDNECK1958 oh??? so nobody needs to go to court?? because all these fatalities are occuring before anyone is found guilty. so if you are saying that once someone is accused of something they are guilty, Joe has been accused of plenty, so he must be guilty, and according to the treatment they give anyone who is accused of stuff, they should be being punished as if they are guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt. innocent people have been treated as criminals just the same as the guilty by MCSO. and Joe is in charge of MCSO. he does nothing......absolutely nothing to stop this behavior either. we have courts for a reason, MCSO was not designated judge, jury and executioner, yet they are acting as it, and people like you are condoning it by absolving joe of his responsibility as the head of that agency

AZREDNECK1958
AZREDNECK1958

@Flyer9753 @AZREDNECK1958 @danzigsdaddy THEY NEED TO UPHOLD THE LAW!  YALL ARE FORGETTIN THIS BIT.  NEED TO READ THE LAW BOOKS AND SEE WHAT CRIMINALS HAVE FOR RIGHTS AFTER COMMITIN ALL THESE CRIMES.  BUNCH OF COW PIES IF YOU ASK ME.  THEY DONT NEED ANY SPECIAL TREATMENT AFTER COMMITTIN CRIMES THEN DOIN MORE HARM.  YALL FORGET BACK IN THE WILD WEST BACK IN THE OLD DAYS IF A PERSON CHALLENDGED YOU TO A DUEL YOU ACCEPTED AND DID IT.  IF A PERSON RAN IN AND COMMITTED CRIMES AGAINST THE TOWN THEN YOU WERE PUNISHED.  IF A PERSON THOUGHT THEY WERE SOME CITY SLICKERS COMIN IN TELLIN YOU HOW TO RUN THE PLACE THEN YOU LET THEM KNOW THE LAW OF THE LAND.  AND RIGHT NOW THE LAW OF THE LAND IS BEING RUN.  AND WISH IT WASNT BEING MET WITH THIS JUVENILE DELINQUENT ATTITUDE LIKE IT IS HERE ON PHOENIXNEWTIMES.COM.  THANK YOU.

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@AZREDNECK1958 @danzigsdaddy  

Of course everyone is twisting your words around....

uh huh... just another excuse and escape - can you take responsibility for anything or is everything always someone elses fault?

Don't bother answering, it's a rhetorical question

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@AZREDNECK1958 I do read my Bible, I do love my neighbor, I do lead a christian life. I will not support a man who's very actions go against the teachings of the book you are telling me I should read. 

AZREDNECK1958
AZREDNECK1958

@danzigsdaddy NO IT DOESNT SOUND LIKE THE CHRISTIAN THING TO DO BUT YALL DONE WENT AND TWISTED MY WORDS ROUND ABOUT.  

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@AZREDNECK1958@danzigsdaddy 

" ITS THE MAYORS FAULT EVER SINCE PHIL GORDON"

Whose name are you going to pick out of the hat next?

Anyones name but the responsible party, Joe Arpaio I am sure...

"THE RIGHT WAY TO BE IS THE OLD WAYS WERE THE BEST, READ YOUR BIBLE, LOVE THY NEIGHBOR, TREAT OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM TREAT YOU, AND FOLLOW THE 10 COMMANDEMENTS.  ITS ALL IN THE BIBLE DEAR DANZIG.  ITS ALL THERE THE WISDOM FOR US TO READ AND APPLY TO OUR LIVES"

hmm.. ok - so if we are supposed to treat others the way you would have them treat you, that means you are ok with me or anyone else coming up to you, restraining you, tying you to a chair with a hood over your head and leaving you until you die right? That's what Joe and MCSO did and you support them, so you must agree with that treatment for everyone.

I guess it's ok for me to tase you multiple times then, since again that is what MCSO does and they are just treating people the way you would want to be treated.

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@AZREDNECK1958 okay so maricopa county is only the city of Phoenix? and as for do unto others as you would have them do unto you?????  MCSO and the sheriff better  hope to god people dont start following that one.  I believe in law and order and i believe the people who enforce it should also have to follow it. they have killed people who never had their day in court....does that sound like a christain thing to do? how about Jesus helping the sick and infirm? how about jesus tending to the lepers?  JESUS DIDNT BEAT AND TASE THE SICK INTO BRAIN DEATH .....JOES PEOPLE DID. dont preach the bible unless you want to discuss an eye for an eye also. and Joes people dont follow THOU SHALT NOT KILL

AZREDNECK1958
AZREDNECK1958

@danzigsdaddy ITS THE MAYORS FAULT EVER SINCE PHIL GORDON LEFT THE CITYS BEEN CORRUPT WITH GANGS AND THEFT, ROBBERIES, AND ASSAULTS!!!  UNTIL THEY START TO CRACK DOWN ON THE CRIME THEY WONT SEE ANY PROGRESS TOWARDS THE RIGHT WAY TO BE.  THE RIGHT WAY TO BE IS THE OLD WAYS WERE THE BEST, READ YOUR BIBLE, LOVE THY NEIGHBOR, TREAT OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM TREAT YOU, AND FOLLOW THE 10 COMMANDEMENTS.  ITS ALL IN THE BIBLE DEAR DANZIG.  ITS ALL THERE THE WISDOM FOR US TO READ AND APPLY TO OUR LIVES.

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@AZREDNECK1958 @danzigsdaddy  

You are wrong on all counts. 

The City has no authority over MCSO. The city handles the CITY OF PHOENIX which is inside Maricopa county. The city has zero say in MCSO operations. 

This is why a city police officer can only make arrests in the City of Phoenix and not on county land outside the city, but an MCSO officer can arrest anywhere in the county, even if that is inside the City of Phoenix.

As a matter of fact and law, if the city police do not do their job, it's the county police (MCSO) who can come in and override them, to the point of taking over management of the department, because the city is UNDER the county.

The Governor does not legally have control over MCSO, they have control over what the County Board can do, which in turn is in control over the county offices and agencies like MCSO.

But under Arizona law, the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors does not even have direct control over MCSO, a fact acknowledged by the board in recent hearings.

You really need to learn some facts about REALITY before you continue posting.

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@AZREDNECK1958 why would you have a guy run an agency if he has no authority over the people in that agency? how the hell can he run it? how would that work? 

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@AZREDNECK1958 they do not have the final say over the sheriff.  and you support the governor so why isnt she doing anything either? pick a person, is it Joes fault or is it Jans fault? one of them is allowing it. you said the Gov has final say....so why is she allowing it?  big tip, she has no say over him

AZREDNECK1958
AZREDNECK1958

@danzigsdaddy THE MAYOR AND GOVERNOR HAVE THE FINAL SAY SO.  OTHER THAN THAT ITS  POLITICS LIKE THE CITY FOLKS LIKE TO DO.  CORRUPT.

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@AZREDNECK1958 @danzigsdaddy  

Joe Arpaio is the FINAL word at MCSO. He makes the rules, he enforces the rules. 

If he is not responsible, then who is and what is he (Joe) being paid for?

Quit making excuses

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@AZREDNECK1958 if he has no authority why is he sheriff? he claims to have the authority to override federal law but he doesnt have authority over his own agency??? wake up

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@AZREDNECK1958 @danzigsdaddy  

Yes, it was the sheriffs fault. He made the policies, he enforced the policies, he is responsible.

You blame the worker that is collecting a paycheck, which true he shares responsibility if he was involved, but the sheriff is resonsible for that employees actions. 

Being in charge is not about ability, it's about responsibility - if Joe is not going to be responsible, as his position stipulates, then he should not be in the position and should get out of the way for someone who will be responsible, before and after.

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@AZREDNECK1958 then why does he allow them to continue? he is their boss not their employee. he sets policy, he can dictate punishment....WHY DOESNT HE???????? hes in charge of that agency so its his job to correct it

Tommy_Collins
Tommy_Collins

@JohnQ.Public How do you dumb yourself down enough to write on his level? It gives me a headache just trying to read his prose.

ExpertShot
ExpertShot topcommenter

@MotherJones @AZREDNECK1958 @Flyer9753 I DON'T RESPECT YOU I PITY YOU FOR BEING A DUMBASS OLD SHIT THAT COULDN'T FIND HIS DICK IF IT WAS HANDED TO HIM ON A SILVER PLATTER.  BUY ME A BEER AND WE'LL TALK - AFTER I SNIFF YOUR BUTT, MAYBE I'LL RESPECT YOUR ASS.

MotherJones
MotherJones

@AZREDNECK1958 @Flyer9753 
 "YALL THINK ALL OF US WILL GO AHEAD AND JUST EVAPORATE LIKE SOME HORSE PISS IN THE DESERT,"

Evaporate? Nah. Croak of geezerdom, hate and high blood pressure? Yep. Fuck u grandpa. 

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@AZREDNECK1958 @Flyer9753  

No, the difference is not that we (younger folk) don't respect authority, it's that we don't allow others authority over us simply because of age or other non-tangible things - we allow authority over us to the people who have earned that right and to whom we have given that ability, not those who just assumed it, like you attempt to do.

Age does not beget authority, just as it does not beget wisdom (you are ample proof of that)

Big Difference.

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