Paul Penzone (Video), Rich Carmona Still in Play, and the Problem with Provisionals (w/Update)

Dennis Gilman and I talk to Penzone following his concession

Above is a video from election night of Democrat Paul Penzone, shortly after he conceded in the sheriff's race to Joe Arpaio. Needless to say, Penzone looks like he's been through the proverbial ringer.

I know there are those who disagree with his decision to concede. However, I think you can tell from this video that Penzone is sincere, and he made what he thought was the best decision.

Also, all bets are off if the numbers change. It's not like Penzone's concession is an oral contract. It's merely gesture, nothing more. The votes still get counted.

See also:
-Ken Bennett Says 602,334 Votes Left to Be Counted Statewide
-Maricopa County's Number of Remaining Ballots Unknown

"If a miracle happens, I'm a believer," he explained last night, "I believe in the Lord. Then we'll celebrate. Right now, I want to do the respectful thing, let my supporters go home, have some closure tonight. And if for some reason, we have a turn of events, we'll come right back here and celebrate it."

Which sounds like a solid plan, with 415,000 votes left to count in Maricopa County, 115,000 of them being provisional ballots.

Still, the gap between Penzone and Arpaio may narow, but is likely too deep of a hole to dig out of.

The county counted more than 44,000 ballots yesterday, but the numbers in the Penzone-Arpaio race have not budged by much. Currently the spread there is 9.48 percentage points.

It's a different story when it comes to the Rich Carmona v. Jeff Flake U.S. Senate contest, where Flake is up by a mere 79,867 votes, or 4.8 percent.

Republican golden-boy Flake must be sweating big ol' bullets right now. Yesterday, the Arizona Secretary of State's Office announced that there are more than 600,000 provisional and early ballots remaining statewide to be counted.

According to one of the savviest political experts I know, Democrat and former legislator John Loredo, Carmona could make up that gap with that's left to count, especially considering that many of the "late" ballots turned in at the polls will tend to be Democratic.

(Seems Republicans mail in their early ballots right off the bat, being the goody-two-shoes they are, while Dems tend to cogitate a bit before sending them in or dropping them off.)

"I think he's still in it ," Loredo told me of the Carmona race. "We'll know in the first couple of days what the trend is."

Loredo believes the late and provisional ballots "should break Carmona's way," and that the gap is narrow enough for Carmona to overcome.


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dhuiz
dhuiz

I don't see how we can say Pezone lost when all of the ballots have not been counted yet. I do not understand why Penzone would throw in the towel before the count was done.

vlhhwood1626
vlhhwood1626

This is freaking hilarious. Now all of the morons are going to start charging out of the woodwork and pointing fingers at each other. This damned election was lost 6 months ago, I and many others tried to tell you this but you wouldn't listen. You wanted to listen to Mr. Loudmouth, know it all arrogant 'Don't tell me nothing' 'Randy Parraz. You followed a self serving idiot down the tracks to loserville and now that you reached the destination, you want to become angry and place the blame everywhere except where it belongs. My anger and frustration was vented months ago when the race was originally lost.

 

At a time when Joe Arpaio was most vaulrnable, the MCDP failed the people of Maricopa County. The next 4 years of Arpaio are courtesy of Ann Wallack, the MCDP and "send me more money “Arpaio foe, Randy Parraz. How many damned times do you keep trying the same strategy and getting your ass kicked before you realize it doesn’t work? Any idiot knows that you could run a damned sock puppet against Joe Arpaio and garner 40%-45% of the vote. There is a large amount of Anti-Joe votes to be had by ANY candidate, THIS IS NEVER ENOUGH..DUH!!!

 

We need a qualified candidate that has a background, education and experience level that will attract the voters who are in the middle of the road on Arpaio. The candidate HAS TO be able to pull away some of the Arpaio votes, not the hardcore racist vote, which he will always have but people who are voting Arpaio for other reasons and may see a need for a change if there were a desirable candidate. This is NOT and NEVER will be Paul Penzone.

 

Hopefully Randy Parraz has made a big enough ass of himself that he will go find a job instead of trying to make a living off of people’s misery. Randy does an excellent job of convincing Republicans to vote for other qualified Republicans in a single LD, but when it comes to selecting which candidate to support in a countywide race his judgment and tactics leave a lot to be desired.

 

Hopefully Stephen Lemons will go back to being a Lackey/mouthpiece for Sal Reza, as annoying and as obvious as that was, he somehow had more credibility in those days and managed to do some decent work. During his stint as a Randy-Bot, I have never seen a more ignorant and misdirected series of articles than the nonsense hit pieces he wrote against Mike Stauffer. I will forever doubt the credibility of anything Stephen Lemons publishes. The sheer stupidity displayed by the amount of time that was wasted trying to demonize a candidate that was obviously never even going to be a factor. This alone should tell everyone the idiocy and stupidity that was in charge of this campaign.

 

The next time you see a workplace raid and witness parents being torn away from their children or families being torn apart due to arrests that were made as a result of racial profiling, don't blame Arpaio...BLAME YOURSELF AND YOUR STUPIDITY!

 

dmcrane1
dmcrane1

I understand why he would have conceded at that time, but that was on the basis of thinking there were a mere 200K+ ballots, not over 600K ballots, to be counted. I worked a poll in another county and we had fully a quarter of our voters having to vote provisional, absolutely ridiculous. A huge number of those had ID & voter registration card but were not on the voter roll.  No excuse for this. Another embarrassment for Arizona. 

jim3k
jim3k

Even though the law seems to say that a provisional voter must vote in the right precinct, it does not necessarily mean that the ballot should be tossed.  If the voter is registered, the ballot should simply be sent to the right precinct.  Provisionals are in envelopes with information on them, such as addresses and signatures.  It should not be a problem to send the envelope to the right place and--voila!--the voter has voted in the right precinct!  This type of statute should be interpreted to favor counting, not to disfavor it.  This is not a big problem for election officials to resolve.

JustAnotherFucktard
JustAnotherFucktard

The limp dicked fat fuckup Arpaio will die before hes done this time

funcre8v
funcre8v

600,000 votes uncounted: More than your typical Arizona Clusterfraud.

 

jbrooks91
jbrooks91

The provisional votes will be heavily weighted for Penzone because most we're new voters that did not make it onto poll rosters. it is irresponsible for the SOS not to require accurate voting rosters on Election Day. the registrations can also be verified online with the current system. There is absolutely no excuse for this and thare must be an investigation into the way the elections functioned. Poll workers also reported problems. if Bennett and Purcell can't get their acts together they need to resign.

Sue White
Sue White

I certainly hope so; I voted early, so apparently my ballot has not yet been counted.

wtf....
wtf....

the gap wouldn't be so big and we'd be more hopefull if stauffer wasn't in the race!!! fuck you mike stauffer...you don't even deserve for me to capitalize your name!...

leonardclark
leonardclark

Thanks to Mr. Penzone for the hard work he put into this race and for the UN-TRUE smears he endured !

Leonard Clark

November 8th, 2012

david_saint01
david_saint01 topcommenter

the people working my poll were pretty on top of letting people know if they were at the right poll or not..making sure to ask everyone "do you live inside this area on the map?" before handing out ballots. 

JeffsDad
JeffsDad

 @funcre8v When you dump off 600K on election day, that's what happens. They don't count eartlies or provs that day, they send them to the county, the county takes as long as needed to count them. Try educating yourself.

vlhhwood1626
vlhhwood1626

 @wtf....

How old are you, 12?  People with your level of intelligence are the main reason we have Arpaio to look forward to for another 4 years. Please stick to playing video games and leave politics to adults..

It is unfathomable that this exact type of thinking has just led to another Arpaio reign and still YOU, the people who are responsible for it remain oblivious to what you have done.DUH!!!

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FACT: Mike Stauffer is and NEVER was a factor in this election, yet people like you chose to waste countless hours and countless resources obsessing over him. Did it ever occur to you that all of this time could have been better spent on something else?

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FACT: Despite anyone’s childish and asinine equations that Mike Stauffer would only pull votes from Paul Penzone, THE FACT remains, history dictates and common sense assures that Mike Stauffer also pulled many votes away from Arpaio. There are thousands of hard-line Republican voters who are disgruntled with Joe Arpaio yet could never bring themselves to vote for a Democrat candidate. These ‘Protest’ votes went to Mike Stauffer. Mike Stauffer quite probably pulled far more votes from Arpaio than from Penzone. If you have to be told this or have difficulty comprehending it , then you have the IQ and political savvy of a damned potato seed.

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FACT: The same STUPID tactics were used against Arpaio during this election that were used against him in the previous elections and guess what…THE RESULTS WERE THE SAME, WHAT A SURPRISE!! The WRONG candidate was selected, backed and supported by the Democratic Party; the same exact mistakes were made. Self promoting activists who have been around long enough to have known better, apparently didn’t (or did they?) Hundreds of thousands of dollars were spent and countless volunteer hours were wasted trying to defeat Arpaio (once again) solely with the “Anybody but Arpaio” vote and attempting to shove a mediocre candidate down everyone’s throat.

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FACT: Many Randy-Bots are not known for quick thinking and common sense, then again neither is their leader.

 

dhuiz
dhuiz

I think the early ballots should be counted as soon as they are received and added to the count on election day.

Another thing we could do is vote on line. I'm sure someone could come up with a program that would recognize your voters registration and as soon as you were done voting, it would lock you out so you could not vote more than once. That would cut back on taking two weeks to count the ballots.

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