Joe Arpaio-Foe Paul Penzone Blasts Sheriff's Hypocritical New Ad

truthseekeraz topcommenter

The wolf in sheep's clothing must be stopped and voted out of office!

Legislators: A Truth in Advertising Law is needed, especially for those elected law enforcement officials who send people to prison in Arizona with NO evidence or put together with lies. A non-violent, first offender sentenced to 75 years under disbarred, ex-Maricopa County Attorney Andfrew Thomas and his henchman, chief "charging" prosecutor disbarred ex-DCA Lisa Aubuchon.

With the same lying ads, regular witch-hunts searching for the 'high-profile" crimes of the day to win office is not only disgusting but thoroughly dishonest! Dishonest people are sitting in prison today and dishonest officials belong in the prisons they designed for others!

Its time to end this years long pattern of lying and deceiving the ignorant and uniformed public they "prey" on.

The Maricopa County Board of Supervisors and Legislators have "protected" the county sheriffs and county attorneys long enough at the expense of the people whose lives they destroyed and the taxpayers paying for the approaching ONE BILLION $$'s in lawsuits in the pipeline along with the unnecessary prison growth Arizona does NOT need.

Time to end this sham and fraud on the people. Those in positions of power the public is supposed to trust instead is allowed to lie and deceive when ordinary people would be sitting in prison.

JaniceS

Nipples Pezones is a tool. As a Democrat, I like Staufer as an alternative to Joe. Don't let the stooge Pezones loses this for Staufer.

truthseekeraz topcommenter

@JaniceS Stauffer = Scottsdale Police department. Police recklessly shooting 7 people in their low-risk upscale community, with "shoot first, ask later" mentality. The narcissists who drive that department should never be Maricopa County Sheriff.

NO to Stauffer "Olivia Cortez" of the ticket.

truthseekeraz topcommenter

@JaniceS Educated (spelling) in Arizona?

GreenHornet

@JaniceS The only tool is u Janice. And ur being used by Joe as an enema.

ExpertShot topcommenter

In the youtube video below - Sheriff Arpaio admits he's been hamstrung by the Superme Court which, through its decision, has made SB1070 impotent. The requirement to carry papers was declared unconstiuttional - and it is. However, the question "May I see your immigration paperwork" is not unconstitutional. However, it is NOT a crime to not show or "prove" your immigration status to anyone, including law enforcement officers so there is no legal ability by the Sheriff or his men or anyone else to arrest anyone who doesn't show their papers. It's mute! However, if an officer believes an actual CRIME has occurred (and not just a civil infraction like being in the country illegally is) then the Sheriff has the right to arrest the suspect and take him to jail - there, after having been tried and convicted of a crime, the suspect serves his or her sentence and then is turned over to ICE who will deport them. All is well and right with this situation. I'd say we should declare victory!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SdyQcyVCSs&feature=related

fairymagic13

You're right - it's done - I watched the video and sure enough - the old coot eventually gives in to the finality of what the Supreme Court did and admits he's a toothless lion. Any more attention we give this issue will only rile up his base and help Arpaio get re-elected. If we don't stop this beating a dead horse we will be snatching defeat from the jaws of victory very soon!

loosecannonsbluesban

@fairymagic13 Let no one mention Mr. Penzone's opponent's name again. Let him fell into the dustbin of history SILENT and undisturbed. Like the name "Beetlejuice" - say it enough times and he will reappear! NEVER Mention your opponent by name - it's just free publicity. Always say "Mr. Penzone's opponent" from now on. He has been defeated already.

danzigsdaddy topcommenter

YourProductSucks made a comment in here that "misrepresenting the truth is still a lie". that is something i will agree with him on, but with the addition of "and that is what EVERY politician does" (YPS, i am not trying to argue, i just want to hear politicians tell the truth, not half truths from them). examples of this would be Jan Brewer saying Arizona will not issue drivers licenses to illegals (no shit Jan!! the law says you cant) or as in the Arpaio ad mentioned here where Joe says he wouldnt release people early (again, the law says he cant) why dont they all get on a topic of something they CAN affect? tell us about what procedures you would change and how.

Tommy_Collins

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@danzigsdaddyMrs. Brewer issued her 'executive order' simply as a show of force and authority. Of course she knew that licenses would not be issued. It was just a show of her imagined political prowess and assumed strength as she goes through each day "governing" (as she is wont to say on may occasions). She simply wanted to hear the clacking of her teeth once again on the telly. She is very dimly lit.

danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@Tommy_Collins dim??? come on tommy, that light never lit

Tommy_Collins

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@danzigsdaddy @Tommy_CollinsI was thinking in terms of an intermittent night light.... You got me.

danzigsdaddy topcommenter

joe says other places let people out of jail when jails are full and he wont. joe couldnt even if he wanted to. the olny person who can end your sentence early is the court or the governor. there are laws (one of them is the truth in sentencing law) that pretty much make it to where you do your time and absolutely no less. no jail and no prison can release you earlier than what your sentence states. if you have a 3 year sentence, you will do 3 years unless the court states you are eligible for early release. if you are eligible for that, the earliest possible time you could get out would be after you serve 85% of your time and no less than 85%. the courts will also allow for a conditional release of a maximum of 72 days earlier. in county jail there is an option if you are working and have no jail infractions where you can be eligible for 1 day earned for every day served and again that is only if the court allows it. no sheriff, cop, jail commander or warden in arizona can release you early for ANY reason unless it is ordered by the judge or governor. and to get that you would have to have your case appealed or reheard. another way is to be granted clemency by the governor (and jan doesnt grant clemency). the only way they could clear the jails because of overcrowding, is at the sentencing stage. if they are overcrowded so bad, they will hand out lesser sentences or recommend you for probation instead. joe is straight up lying and trying to scare people by saying he is whats keeping people from being released early

danzigsdaddy topcommenter

after he tells you how other people let inmates out early he says the exact words of "I WOULD NEVER DO THAT" he says that because the law says he couldnt even if he wanted too. he also neglects to mention that that does not and cannot legally happen anywhere in arizona. since its absolutely not possible for him to do, why doesnt he just promise not to raise the dead? he has about as much chance of pulling that off too

truthseekeraz topcommenter

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Maricopa County Sheriff Arpaio's "Tent City" ad shows California state prison inmates -- violations of overcrowding and inhumane conditions. While he's featuring California, then the public needs to see what's going on with the LA County Sheriff, who is under fire. The well-established tradition of cruelty and inhumanity by these tyrants-wearing-badges, needs to end. Now!

"Investigators slam Sheriff Baca, Tanaka in jail violence probe" -latimes.com

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/09/panel-investigators-slam-baca-tanaka-in-jail-violence-probe.html

excerpt: "Updated at 11:02 a.m.: While investigators found that the majority of deputies were hard-working and ethical, they concluded that other deputies had a “disturbing mind-set” that valued using force first rather than as a last resort. In addition, some department leaders tolerated and even expressly encouraged "a code of silence" in which jailers were reluctant to report excessive force and other problems.

Last month, a federal grand jury demanded that sheriff's officials turn over all correspondence they have had with the blue-ribbon commission.

The subpoena suggests that federal authorities, in the midst of a widespread investigation of the jails, are expanding their probe to include allegations unearthed by the commission.

In recent months, the county panel has heard testimony from current and former sheriff's supervisors who have publicly alleged that top managers fostered a culture of abuse inside the jails.

But many more sheriff's employees have spoken to the commission privately. The subpoena could inadvertently force those sheriff's officials to out themselves to the department as informants."

bob_lablaw96 topcommenter

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@truthseekeraz We need a "Truth in Campaigning ads" law more than the "Truth in Sentencing" laws.

Joe is an asshole, and he breeds warts of similar makeup. Like Baca, he never actually touches and inmate (gross little wetbacks!), but his mindset rules the day.

As a 30 yr veteran cop, I would like nothing more than seeing Joe voted out of office, then convicted of felony stupidity and made to eat his own shit, and David Hendershott's dick!

godhatesdems

Penzone spent 20 + years with Phoenix PD and never rose above the rank of Sargent, hmmmmmm.

GreenHornet

@godhatesdems maybe he didnt suck cock as u did

godhatesdems

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@GreenHornet

You're the typical little wimp who hides behind a computer and gets himself sexually aroused talking tough, too funny little man.

LegitQuestions

@godhatesdems Genesis 1:27, "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them"

loosecannonsbluesban

@LegitQuestions @godhatesdems So, God created men and women who are dems. How can he hate his own creation? Do you have experience in God's "hate"?

Tommy_Collins

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@godhatesdemsI'm not a dem, so I'm not offended by your pseudo. It's very unlikely that any dem actually would be, however, since the pure mutual exclusivity of the 'statement' is absurd, at best. If one really believes in the "God" deemed most acceptable by Christians it would seem that God really hates no one, especially due to political affiliation. How about changing your handle to something catchy, like "TeaPartyTwit" or something as appropriate, such as "MCSO Commander"....

godhatesdems

@Tommy_Collins

If a name offends you so be it, funny how if some christian makes a mistake how you little prks are quick to call them many disgusting names, now that being said go FFFk yourself.

Tommy_Collins

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@godhatesdemsWho would be that Christian you're referring to having made a mistake?

truthseekeraz topcommenter

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@godhatesdems That's a good thing. Then he isn't tainted by the "entrenched" system that has driven Maricopa County law enforcement.

danzigsdaddy topcommenter

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if nobody else saw it yet, the latino community just brought in over 21,000 registered voters to the election table. they brought in the registration yesterday. you can look it up under the "adios arpaio movement" i thought that was pretty damn funny. and by the way JAF? they arent illegals, they are registered here and everything and are maricopa residents

danzigsdaddy topcommenter

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you can check it out at www.aflcio.org

truthseekeraz topcommenter

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In the video, the inmates in "orange" are California STATE prison inmates NOT Maricopa County jail detainees. Very misleading. Arizona looking like California?? Aren't there violation of copyright issues here?

danzigsdaddy topcommenter

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@truthseekeraz which ad, so i can look it up. i used to deliver to the prisons in arizona, so i will look and see if it is an arizona prison

truthseekeraz topcommenter

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@danzigsdaddy The "tent city" ad in this article, pg. 2. The ad is labeled "tent city" while the inmates in orange say CDC (California Department of Corrections). Bad, bad, bad...

truthseekeraz topcommenter

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@danzigsdaddy People need to stay on this and get it reported because it is "theft" of someone's copyrights.

This does not belong to Arizona's jails or prisons. Arizona likes to distance itself from California, so it makes this arpaio ad that much worse. The CA inmate film portion of the ad, documents the prisons' violations of overcrowded conditions of confinement that the U.S. Supreme Court ruled on -- to release hundreds of thousands of inmates.

Now is Arizona is following these violations with Arpaio bragging about his 'toughness"? Tough = violations which = lawsuits costing taxpayers hundreds of millions of $$'s. Are we to understand arpaio doesn't care about this??

danzigsdaddy topcommenter

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@truthseekeraz okay just saw it now, couldnt draw up the ad on my phone before....you are right its cali.

danzigsdaddy topcommenter

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@truthseekeraz i was on my phone checking it, home now so i will go back and double check it. thank you

danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@truthseekeraz arizona state inmates also wear orange, even in the private prisons. i cant remember what federal wears though

truthseekeraz topcommenter

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@danzigsdaddy Sheriff Arpaio is in charge of the county jails, NOT the ADOC (Arizona Dept. of Corrections) though he acts like a de-facto governor / prison director of Arizona. He even had you fooled, so you can see how deceived the public is... just saying. Details matter.

truthseekeraz topcommenter

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@danzigsdaddy Sheriff Arpaio runs the County jail where his detainees / pre-sentenced wear black and white stripes with pink underwear showing. Why is he using CDC (California Department of Corrections) inmates to make a point in Arizona? It's deceptive, misleading and has nothing to do with Arizona. Did he get copyright permission to use the CDC video portion in his self-promotion ad? Dennis Gilman please weigh in on the copyright issues.

truthseekeraz topcommenter

@danzigsdaddy They are showing it both ways. One where they removed the California state prison inmates from the ad and another which was seen yesterday with the California prison inmates. Who's going to get this reported and stopped?

truthseekeraz topcommenter

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@danzigsdaddy Yes, the public does need to see a film of the Arizona state prisoners conditions of confinement, overcrowding and yes they'll be wearing "orange". The ADC hides these hell-holes from view.

danzigsdaddy topcommenter

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@truthseekeraz we talked about this before, and now i am actually seeing it on T.V. , have you noticed that now, on T.V. they dont show the cali inmates anymore? its almost like they pulled it, so you may have hit that one right on the head. they also dont show the one about joe being kidnapped either (at least that i've seen)

danzigsdaddy topcommenter

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@truthseekeraz if they are on the news, thats one thing, but using them for stuff like commercials or advertising IS against policy

danzigsdaddy topcommenter

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@truthseekeraz i dont know about cali, but i do know ADOC will not allow you to use photos of the inmates, so you may have a point

truthseekeraz topcommenter

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@danzigsdaddy Sheriff Arpaio used California inmates in his political ad for re-election. Besides being misleading, there may be copyright violations using the filmmaker's work (possibly NPR Frontline) in Arpaio's political ad.

danzigsdaddy topcommenter

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@truthseekeraz ill look it up, and i only brought up the orange because you were referencing california, he might have been trying to use adoc is what i was suggesting

truthseekeraz topcommenter

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@danzigsdaddy I believe the video portion was swiped from an NPR special report on California prison overcrowding.

truthseekeraz topcommenter

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Using California inmates to get elected in Arizona makes no sense except to create "fear" among the people. The conditions of confinement shown in the ad are in violation. This cruel and inhumane treatment resulted in the U.S. Supreme Court ruling -- after years of costly litigation to the taxpayers -- to release tens of thousands of STATE inmates.

truthseekeraz topcommenter

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"If There Were Any Victims..?" by Bill Louis, retired police chief

http://www.iftherewereanyvictims.com/

truthseekeraz topcommenter

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Every voter should read this book. It confirms Sheriff Arpaio failed to do his job and instead swept these over 430 un-investigated sex crimes cases --- against children and women -- under the rug! Truly despicable!!

We will campaign and vote for Paul Penzone for Maricopa County Sheriff 2012!

yourproductsucks

It's also ironic that Penzone mentions the bungled sex cases of MCSO yet does not address similiarly staggering numbers of bungled sex cases within his alma mater PPD.

GreenHornet

@yourproductsucks so how many was that, yps?

yourproductsucks

Penzone's understanding of the JEF Bond and tent city is incorrect.

The funds from JEF that were "misspent" have been miscategorized ad nauseum.

JEF Bond was passed in 1996 and the money from the bond paid for the building of and staffing for the 4th Ave jail. This jail facility replaced the antiquated Madison Street Jail upon it's completion.

The "misspent" monies that everyone is up in arms orver and seem to think was frivoliously spent and now needs to be replaced has been accounted for 100%. The issue related to the misuse of the money came when those who were hired and paid through JEF funds either promoted out of or transferrred from JEF positions. The vacant positions were obviously filled by other employees. The problem was one related specifically to not changing hte funding string which paid the employee's salaries. If a JEF hired employee moved on to a postion which wasfunded through another source they remained on the JEF funding string erroniously while the person who filled the spot vacated continud to be paid through, oh lets say, the General Fund (for the purpose of this example.) WHen audited it was deteremined this practice was obviously wrong and neededto be remedied. All that occurred was the funding sources were changed to correctly reflect a JEF position was being paid from the JEF funds.

The money wasn't misspent as much as it was incorrectly tracked.

Penzone should know this, since he is vying for the job. Misreppresentation of the truth is a lie.

danzigsdaddy topcommenter

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@yourproductsucks im not going to argue the money, because it will go back and forth with both of us making accurate points. penzone did however make a point on the sex crimes. yes PPD had them too, but they found the problem and set to correcting them. they also aploogized for the situation. Joe made a half assed apology that cast doubt on the victims and other people had to bring it to light because MCSO wasnt doing anything on it. the victims went to the police in both cases and were left out to dry. to me these are the crimes we should be devoting more time and energy into

yourproductsucks

@danzigsdaddy @yourproductsucks arpaio's statements reference the El Mirage cases were bullshit.

It does not accurately reflect the changes that have taken place within MCSO's sex crimes unit. They have upwards of 10 fulltime detectives now aassigned who are motivated and professional. You only have to go as far back as the case with the woman who was arrested (and convicted) for soliciting beatiality who was in turn sexually assaulted. Even she stated she was treated with dignity and respect and the suspect was arrested and charged. You can't continue attacking MCSO for ignoring sex crimes when they have, in fact, changed course. PPD did make changes as well. In that you are correct. If both agencies made appropriate changes why is only one agency forgiven?

What happened in El Mirage was a travesty.

MaskedMagician1967 topcommenter

@yourproductsucks The MCSO shurf doesn't like children?

Then why did he have two of them? Including one whose husband is the editor of the editorial pages of the Arizona Republic?

Tommy_Collins

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@danzigsdaddyYep, accidents happen. As you know in the 'old days' the first baby could arrive any time. Subsequent babies mostly took nine months. But, those were the days when people actually got married before they started having babies. Now they 'date' for six years and have four children before the become engaged or choose to marry. (No, this has nothing to do with this story)

danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@Tommy_Collins she really should have given contraceptives a lot more thought than she did

Tommy_Collins

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@yourproductsucks @wherewasi @danzigsdaddyIs it true, I wonder, that his mother once said, "If I knew Joseph would turn out this way I would have aborted him"? Just a rumor I once heard....

yourproductsucks

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@wherewasi @danzigsdaddy

He doesn't like children, regardless of their color.

truthseekeraz topcommenter

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@yourproductsucks Whatever the MCSO is doing now does not matter -- its ALL politically motivated. When the harsh spotlight is turned off, then it will be back to business as usual.

truthseekeraz topcommenter

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@danzigsdaddy @yourproductsucks arpaio is a proven hypocrite and liar and has succeeded in fooling the public that makes their decisions with "sound-bytes" and media stunts. The sheriff has NO credibility. Time to slash his PR budget that the taxpayers cannot afford.

truthseekeraz topcommenter

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@yourproductsucks The public doesn't know if they've changed course except it would make sense now that its a Presidential year, this is when they "go after" high-profile sex abuse / chld abuse / sex crimes cases, especially the "easy" convictions. There's an established "pattern" well in place. they care about the "children" when they are looking for a vote and your money. After that then back to the witch-hunts of the day related to illegal immigration.

wherewasi

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@danzigsdaddy @yourproductsucks

You also noticed, I'm sure, that all of the children in Joke's commercial were white Anglos. Those are the only children he even pretends to care about.

danzigsdaddy topcommenter

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@yourproductsucks it was a typo, it was supposed to be ignored not ignores. i still have doubts as to their investigating them now though. not trying to argue, its just a way "I" feel. and here is why. joe says they changed policies and procedures and are now taking correct measures (maybe they have, maybe they havent). i just have a hard time accepting what he says as truth. and here is why. he had his book, and said he wrote it, then he said that they were his words. he said all of this and then when he was questioned as to parts of the book, he said he didnt say that or that he knew nothing about what was said. he even said he never read it. its a book he was claiming to be HIS story and promoted it as such and never checked it? he had YEARS to find out what was in that book and never did? both of his stories in that situation cant both be true...ergo, he is lying one of the times he is telling us its the truth. how about his commercial where he claims to be kidnapped? he wont tell us any of the story and every resource either says it didnt happen or there is no evidence of it happening. why wont he tell us about it? hes the one who brought it up by allowing it to be in his commercial. if he is going to say he knew nothing about it being in the commercial, why hasnt he issued a statement about how he didnt know they were going to put it in there? he keeps saying one thing, then saying something else completely different. how can i believe anything he says now? so when he says he changed policy, can you see why i have difficulty believing him? i am not happy with PPD either with their sexual assault cases, but Joe is MCSO's leader, he is responsible for his department. when they make a big bust, he is right up there in front of the camera saying how HE had his guys do this or that, and taking credit it. if he can do that he can also take the blame for the screw ups. i feel rape and child molestation to be the sickest acts and most despicable crime anyone could commit. so when joe pulled officers off of the couple hundred sex crimes that were already on their plate for his immigration sweep which would probably pullin about 8 illegals, i dont think he put as high of a priority on those assaults as i do. .

yourproductsucks

@Bnbk

Hold arpaio accountable then.

You are blinded by your righteous indignation and are missing the point. I am not arguing that the failure to aid the victims (not all of the 400 plus investigations were valid btw) should be ignored.

My argument is that the MCSO is not currently ignoring sex crimes, as the above poster stated.

Bnbk

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@yourproductsucks @danzigsdaddy

OK.make that IGNORED sex crimes.Whatever measures MCSO took after all these ignored sex crimes came to light,is too little too late for alot of the victims......This decision to remove officers from these investigations and move them to politically motivated witch hunts should never be forgotten or forgiven. When an elected official chooses to sacrifice the safety and well being of innocent women and children in order to pursue his political agenda and then question if there were any victims,it is time for that official to be held accountable.............If there were any victims ? BULLSHIT!

yourproductsucks

@danzigsdaddy You are right on all accounts.

It still doesn't support your initial claim that the MCSO ignores sex crimes.

danzigsdaddy topcommenter

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@yourproductsucks yes it was, but joes halfhearted apology was just as awful. those people deserved more of an apology than that. if he wrote that apology himself...he should be ashamed. if he had a publicist write it.....he should have fired them and then made a more sincere apology. the cavalier apology he made made it SEEM as if A) he doubted there were any rapes, and B) as if them being uninvestigated was no big deal. granted i am a penzone supporter, but even the joe supporters have to admit that the whole handling of that is something that will NEVER be forgotten or forgiven. even if he personally went out and caught every one of them right now, people will never forget how callous his apology came out. to this day, he still has not even come out with a simple statement like "that came out wrong, and i am sorry for the way it sounded" maybe if he did that after that horrible way he did handle the apology, then maybe, just maybe it wouldnt be as big of an issue to people, but he didnt. and after that having a commercial that claims he is the "GREATEST" protector of children? bad, bad,bad move

GreenHornet

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@yourproductsucks gee, thanks, lisa allen for the snow job. u and ur corrupt POS boss used the cash to meet the payroll of dipshit deps obeying Henderblimp's orders and chasing wicox, stapley, et al. u and arpaio are the ones who shld be in prison. enjoy the six figure salary while it lasts. u'll be the first dismissed whn penzone retires Joe to ftn hills.

yourproductsucks

@GreenHornet

You aren't texting.

GreenHornet

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@yourproductsucks texting to your MCSO cell phone? come on, you are lisa allen arent you? u can tell me. promise not to call up Hendy and sickem on ya.

chadsnow

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So why did Arpaio's on CFO Loretta Barkell tell your boss and Hendershott several times over the years that the money was being "illegally misspent"? Her words, not mine?

Is Barkell full of shit or are you?

yourproductsucks

@chadsnow

A very adversarial Board of Supervisors reviewed this and came to the same conclusion that I wrote.

Yourproductsucks

@GreenHornet Again, the board of supervisors came to the conclusion. I am simply providing the facts.

GreenHornet

@yourproductsucks gosh, the fact that the MCSO lied about the theft of $,$$$,$$$ for YEARS has nothing to do with it, eh? or the fact you assholes tried to cover it up? u knew what u were doing was illegal. that's why u lied. that's why u covered it up.

yourproductsucks

@GreenHornet For the sake of argument I will agree with you that the MCSO fought "tooth and nail not to give this info up" and "the amount revealed dwarfed what was anticipated."

How does your argument refute my statements? The amount is irrelevent to the reasons how it occurred.

GreenHornet

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@yourproductsucks @chadsnow u are so full of crap. the mcso fought tooth and nail not to give this info up. after mcso was forced to do so, the amount revealed dwarfed what was anticipated. barkell said laws were broken. she said she told Arpaio and he said he wldnt let the beancounters rule. ur a liar, mcso freak.

yourproductsucks

@chadsnow

Barkell was dead on right. She was an accountant who knew the sloppy accounting practices were going to come back to bite. I'm not stating what happened was right. I'm presenting the facts as they occurred.