Jeff Flake-Foe Rich Carmona on Taxes, the Deficit, and Immigration

Superflake

The "Deficit", the "Great Recession", and the "Foreclosure Crisis", all began January 2008 at the same exact time as the "Anti-Immigrant Rant" and "Attrition" E-verify, and I.C.E. Deportations/Incarcerations?

The Twenty-five years prior to January 2008 was "The Most Prosperous Period in Total U.S. History".

We all worked together towards America's Prosperity, including the Twelve Million Hard Working Parentys of our own Citizen Children that we now persecute.

Immigration Reform Important?

Look at America prior to the mid 2007 mass exodus of good, hard working Immigrants, and look at America ever since?

Someday I hope a Politician will figure this out?

Too bad Flake, and Mc Cain didn't have a spine, or the Courage to stand by their "Convictions" on Immigration Reform in 2007, prior to our Economic Demise?

To: The Deficit, and Immigration.

Superflake

Flake lives up to his name.

He voted for Obamacare to help it pass origionally, yet now he pretends to be against it?

Quite Flaky indeed.

He flip flops very well, seemingly any way the wind blows?

truthseekeraz topcommenter

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Dr. Carmona is a great choice for Senator who would add knowledge and intelligence to this important position -- serving the men, women and children of Arizona.

Bnbk

Jeff Flake, a lobbyist's best friend and why shouldn't he be,after all,he is a lobbyist. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/20/jeff-flake-arizona-senate-lobbyist-facebook_n_1612511.html

donnagratehouse

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Flake is a radical right winger who has gotten free passes and moderate cred, even (astonishingly) from liberals for years, due to being genial and occasionally appearing to be reasonable on immigration. He should be polling behind the truly moderate Dr. Carmona but may well become our next Senator because so many people (wrongly) think he's moderate. I got my shit jumped here recently over Jerry Lewis and Bob Worsley but Jeff Flake is EXACTLY why liberals in AZ shouldn't gush over so-called "moderate" Republicans who really aren't moderate at all.

dennis20 topcommenter

@donnagratehouse I'm proud to be part of Pearce's recall and I'll take Lewis over Pearce any day. I'll also take Lewis over the wing-nuts from the lib. party and the wing-nut dems who almost ran and would've insured Pearce's victory. Even if a solid dem would've run-he or she would've lost. Another thing , I'm welcome in Worsleys home with my camera and Lewis will talk on camera with me anytime. In fact Lewis and I can even discuss issues we disagree on. (imagine that.) Yet when its the dems I'm hassled for trying to film a candidate? I find it somewhat insulting but mostly ignorant and bad politics. Of course the event received no media coverage anyway and I wonder why.

My goal was to talk with Penzone, Ableser and Sherwood and get them some coverage, cover the new headquarters etc. I guess I thought way too much of them to expect that. Liberal censorship is and always has been really fucking stupid. If these folks think they are too good or important for me or any independent media thats a problem I can't fix. But when I get treated with more respect and access at Republican meetings and hassled at dem gatherings I find it hard to believe that our party has its act together.

The democratic party is not the big tent party when it tries to censor independent media. It's a problem I wont waste my time, gas or money trying to fix after last saturday until they get their act together. I despise censorship worse than republicans.

donnagratehouse

@dennis20 If Lewis beats Ableser that's one more Republican voting with the caucus. Which even if he "only" does 80% of the time, it means more corporate tax cuts, private prisons, cuts to education and healthcare, inaction on climate change, attacks to women's health care etc. It means Cathi Herrod and those Goldwater dorks and ALEC have yet more power over the lege. It means Republicans continue to control all the committees and Democratic members have even less input.

If you were denied access to whatever event you were describing, that does sound like bad and unwise behavior on the part of the Dem Party. They shouldn't deny reporters access to events.But this is about issues and we are in a battle between two very fundamentally different worldviews. There are some Democrats I can't stand and Republicans I think are quite charming. But amiability isn't the same as moderation. I'll take an obstreperous asshole who votes my way most of the time over a charmer who does the opposite. Flake is a nice handsome guy and occasionally throws liberals and moderates a bone. But in 2011 he and Trent Franks got identical 100% ratings from the hateful Family Research Council.

dennis20 topcommenter

@donnagratehouse I agree Donna. But the messaging problem is ours to fix. When we've got republican Darren Mitchell on the ballet collecting $22,000 in clean election cash and he doesn't even live in his district yet has democratic challenger we become insignificant.. When we run no county attorney candidate we become an embarrassment to democrats everywhere and attract no interest. I don't blame any single person for that nor do I wish to jump on the Dem bashing bandwagon. But how do we fix it? The issues you bring up are simply preaching to the choir with me. I could add a few to that list. My prediction is in less than 4 years tent city will be replaced with a shiny new private facility and it will be supported by both parties. This is our fault, And if we keep blaming republicans instead of doing actual strategy and base building it will only get worse. The Tea party strategy is to run candidates in every election from school board to dog catcher in every town and state. It's a smart strategy. What is ours? Groups like CBA have opened the door for the democratic party to step up. It's up to the party to get it's act together. Carmona is a good step but real change starts at a more local level.

eeniemeenie

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Rich? How about Ricardo. I don't like his stance on MMJ nor his response to the mess our state politicians have made of this law by using our tax money to thwart the will of the voters. It's about sick and dying patients who need pain relief without feeling like a criminal.

Both candidates need a dose of COMPASSION

MyohMy

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@eeniemeenie What is MMJ? Carmona was Surgeon Genneral. He believes Obama care didn't go far enough. He understand health issues better than any candidate or sitting Senator.

arizonaeagletarian

@MyohMy @eeniemeenie MMJ is medical marijuana. Carmona isn't going to please everyone. But he's very smart and articulate and will commit to thoughtfully address the challenges and issues that come up in the US Senate.

eeniemeenie

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@arizonaeagletarian @MyohMy @eeniemeenie

His reply on the subject of MMJ is that it needs more studies and that doctors could loose their licenses by writing prescriptions.#1 they don't write prescriptions, only recommendations. #2 It has been studied, GW Phamacueticals are coming out with a spray, Marinol has been around for years. I just think if you are going to represent the PEOPLE than you should be for the PEOPLE, not for Big Pharma, which is exactly what the Surgeon General did. Half of the voters in Arizona approved it's use, so you would think the candidates would be better learned on the subject.

Bnbk

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Why in hell does some one who calls him/her self a Denocrat not know who Mr. Gillman is ? Makes one wonder what the hell is going on down there at the County Democratic Party.............Rich Carmona is by far, a better candidate for the U.S. Senate seat,while Jeff Flake is just another self serving hypocrite.............http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/11/jeff-flake-farm-subsidies_n_1874696.html