Steve Martin, the Occupy Phoenix Protest, and the Non-Conformist Oath

Gilman's vid, from the ramparts...

Here's activist videographer and all-around hell-raiser Dennis Gilman's latest video of vignettes from last weekend's Occupy Phoenix protest. Shannon Rivers, as always, is way cool. And the gal on the guitar is quite talented.

Martin, from back in the day...

The first thing the chanting made me think of was Steve Martin's "non-conformist oath," which goes like this:

Martin: Let's repeat the non-conformist oath:I promise to be different. 

Audience: I promise to be different.

Martin: I promise to be unique.

Audience: I promise to be unique.

Martin: I promise not to repeat things other people say.

Audience: [Laughter, mumbling.]

Martin: Good!

Apparently, I wasn't the only person who thought of this old Martin bit, as a guy at Occupy Pittsburgh got the crowd there to repeat it. Funny stuff.

Not everyone's lost their sense of humor, thankfully...

I know many lefties are ticked off with my colleague James King's scabrous take on the Occupy Phoenix protest, but if he's hitting a nerve, it means the nerve is there. 

Don't be so thin-skinned, people. I might want to join a protest. I'm less inclined to join a religion. 

Keep in mind that radicals like Abbie Hoffman used humor as a weapon. They weren't afraid of it, and gave as good as they got.

Finally, when I look at a King post on the OPP where he scored 200-plus comments, that means he's doing something right. 

Like the classic Naughty by Nature joint goes, I'm down with OPP, yeah, you know me. But sans comments and pageviews, we're dead in the water, folks.

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Restitutiontouscitizensfirst
Restitutiontouscitizensfirst

"This is a clear case of socialism for the rich and rugged, you're-on-your-own individualism for everyone else."

On the results of the Fed Audit.

We knew this already but just for your James King types . . . .who need a little help with their input . . . .

http://sanders.senate.gov/news...

This does not make me a pinko commy - just that it seems that everybody has a piece of the truth and we are all blind men describing the elephant.

Gordon Duff also has an idea . . .

"THE BUSH GAME, STEALING ALL THE MONEY IN THE WHOLE WORLD

Stealing More Than You Can Imagine

Here is a factoid for you, genuine classified information, something you are officially forbidden to know, leaked from the bowels of America’s government:

The total worthless “derivative debt” held by major banks is officially estimated at a staggering $1,400,000,000,000,000. 

This is according to a State Department memo that got sidetracked somehow.  In Washington, they pronounce this as “one point four quatrillion dollars.” 

America’s official national debt is around

$15, 000,000,000,000.  Note the number of missing “0′s?”  This is only “fifteen trillion.” 

Later in the article Mr. Duff makes the following points that I think many PNT would like:

"BORN AGAIN “RON PAUL”

He would call for a new 9/11 investigation based solid facts that disprove the official version involving Muslim hijackers.  Nobody belongs in the White House willing to peddle Bush conspiracy theory as fact.A program to phase out the Federal Reserve System on a realistic time-table is an absolute necessity.All “derivative” assets would be declared worthless and taken “off the books.”  Institutions holding enough worthless assets to cause their failure would be allowed to fail.All “offshore” corporations would be declared illegal and their officers and directors prosecuted for tax evasion.The system of state banks and savings and loans would be restored and multinational banks would not be allowed to operate in the United States.The “Global War on Terror” would be renounced as a con.A war crimes tribunal would be organized which would have jurisdiction over members of congress, the Supreme Court and the executive branch.The Department of Homeland Security would be dismantled.The military services of the United States would be allowed 100 generals and admirals, no more.  All others would be demoted to E-7 or below.All congressional districts would be reformed to reflect normal and reasonable geography and population, ending the “gerrymandering” that has made states like Texas a joke.Private prisons would be ended and the criminal system in the US overhauled.  The justice system in the US will have to be recognized for what it is, a form of class warfare against America.One of our first admissions would be that there would be no narcotics in the US without the complicity of congress, the CIA, FBI, Homeland Security, ICE and key elements of the American military.A grand jury be empaneled to investigate the Supreme Court of the United States."

Restitutiontouscitizensfirst
Restitutiontouscitizensfirst

Poll: Most Americans Support Occupy Wall Street

A new survey shows that Americans overwhelmingly support the self-styled Occupy Wall Street protests that not only have disrupted life in Lower Manhattan but also in Washington and cities and towns across the U.S. and in other nations. Some 59 percent of adults either completely agree or mostly agree with the protesters, while 31 percent mostly disagree or completely disagree; 10 percent of those surveyed didn't know or refused to answer. What's more, many people are paying attention to the rallies. Almost two-thirds of respondents--65 percent--said they've heard "a lot" or "some" about the rallies, while 35 percent have said they've heard or seen "not too much" or "nothing at all" about the demonstrations.

http://poorrichards-blog.blogs...

pjskeleton
pjskeleton

Hello there!

I'd just like to say that the Occupy Pittsburgh Nonconformist Oath video, well, that's me with the megaphone and my dad taped it! I'm fully ecstatic about it being used here. 

Miles2Go
Miles2Go

"The occupation continues"? ROTFLMAO. Anyone been by Cesar Chavez lately? Today there were more cops than actual protesters. They could fit the whole crowd cops included into a Circle K.  

LilOccupier
LilOccupier

But the point is that people ARE there.  Rome was not built in a day and this occupation shall not smooth things over.

Even the Occupation of Wall Street took time to grow.  The numbers fluctuate in the morning and the afternoon and drop at night because of the fact that we cannot sleep there and will get warned, ticketed, or arrested if found sleeping at Cesar Chavez Plaza. People have lives as well.  They have jobs, schooling, and kids to take care of.  They cannot be at Cesar Chavez Plaza the whole time.

Aaa5691
Aaa5691

WE BUY JUNK CARS. !!! 1-800-956-2290 :)

MyNuggetsOnYourLiberalChin
MyNuggetsOnYourLiberalChin

I like the way King writes. He has an insight most liberals don't get. As I read the article, I begin to feel as if I were transported there, walking amongst the very bums and panhandlers he describes. Thank you Mr King. Very insightful.     

restitutiontouscitizensfirst
restitutiontouscitizensfirst

Lose your job - lose your citizenship?  Jobs you paid tax/TARP to keep here get offshored and then jobless you gets redesignated as a bum and/or panhandler.  STFU!

Dennis Gilman
Dennis Gilman

For those that want real insight and healthy critacism of this movement I suggest you read what David Morales is writing.He has genuine criticisms. http://tucsoncitizen.com/three...He also understood the video Lemons sort of watched.http://tucsoncitizen.com/three...

Restitutiontouscitizensfirst
Restitutiontouscitizensfirst

Dennis Gilman & David Morales promote racism, prejudice, racial divides, race warfare!

This is ridiculous.  The argument could also be made that many "minority" people have kept their jobs in this economy due to government protectionism and therefore the jobless has disproportionately affected the "white" employment rates, housing - all of it.  Even national "liberal" media like NPR has admitted that illegals and minorities are faring better than the "majority" "white" in various articles while proving their schizophrenia by denying it in others.

It is time to stop this BS!

DGisahomo
DGisahomo

Dear God don't click on those virus infected links. You will regret it big time!

Dennis Gilman
Dennis Gilman

For those who read this trash article expecting to learn something about the movement or the many complex situations with city managers, police or any evidence of what is really going onwith Occupy Phoenix - I apologize. I really do.    

Here is a link that may help you understand why people are communicating that way.

http://www.nycga.net/resources...

King's first article got lots of hits because people actually believed that New Times would give this movement a fair shake.  It's now obvious that wont be happening. When hits are more important to a media outlet then facts-that publication has sold out and reflects the corporate media's interests over the community it is suppose to represent. When a reporter like Steve Lemons writes about it as acceptable behavior for responsible journalism-thats just sad.Lemons writes "I'm down with OPP, yeah, you know me."   Thin or hard skin-I find that statement really really funny. Yes Steve. I know you.  You aren't down with OPP. If you were you would be helping find out who the cop that dragged that girl by her throats name and badge number is instead of attacking the movement at every opportunity. Only wackos like Glen Beck have gone so far as to call the movement a religion. So congratulate yourself. Now please, for christ sake stop pretending to write or care about it.  Thanks but no thanks.  So far NT's coverage is about as informative and fact based as Greg Patterson's coverage of Olivia Cortes or Jerry Lewis. At least he's a lobbyist. What's your excuse? 

StephenLemons
StephenLemons

Dennis, I love you, man, but you've just proved my statements correct. A "religion" is something you're not allowed to criticize or even tell a joke about. "Sacred cow" is probably a better word, but you get the point. 

I looked at the 2 page doc you linked to. Didn't mention the word-repetition. I think the fact that an occupier in Pittsburgh gets the joke should offer some pause.

When I said, tongue in cheek, that I'm down with OPP, I meant simply that I think it's great people are expressing themselves if they want to. I know you want me to slavishly agree with the OPP, praise it uncritically, and cover it wall to wall. Right now, I have bigger fish to fry.

Once November 8 comes and goes, I'll be writing about other stuff again, including Occupy PHX, if it's still around. Right now, I'm spending most of my time on Pearce and Pearce-related matters. 

Democracy is not about who can talk the longest or shout the loudest. It should involve an exchange of ideas, ideally. In this case, you just want me to operate as a left-wing echo chamber and worship the sacred cows. Not in my nature.

Also, "attacking the movement at every opportunity"? I've literally written two blogs about it. This was the first,

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.c...

restitutiontouscitizensfirst
restitutiontouscitizensfirst

Dennis didn't prove nothing lemonhead!  Most people anymore make the survival of themselves and their family a "religion" of sorts and by that definition only could you call this movement a "religion."

Yes democracy should involve an exchange of ideas and at least PNT promotes and allows that by having the opportunity to comment - something other media either do not allow or make extremely difficult by enforcing TWIT My FACE kinds of rules.  However, Dennis Gilman's point is correct in that PNT's coverage has only presented mostly an attempt to not present ideas but to marginalize the entire effort and the people making that effort.  Furthermore, PNT (KIng) has done this at a level easily comprehensible to a third grader, I presume to reach out and have an affect on more people, giving them permission to not pay attention to what the occupiers are saying, effectively perverting the public dialogue to suit the desires of your corporate masters, not a true effort at journalism with integrity of purpose to enhance the public dialogue.  So much for exchange of ideas.  

Also remember that most people do not search PNT diligently to find your blog.  The link you provided does show hope but I did not notice it as a headliner article and probably most people also will not catch it unless they are gifted with time and caring to seek it out.  

Dennis Gilman
Dennis Gilman

You are allowed to do whatever you want. I wont stop you. I will critacise you without mercy though when you get it wrong. Comparing this movement to Ayn Rands philosphy of individualism is hardly funny unless we are laughing at you. 

Here is funny:http://www.youtube.com/watch?f...

You and Kings names could be exchanged easily for those used in this and it would be even funnier. Can you see the comparision and look at and luagh at yourself? Where is your sense of humor? 

And so what if you posted a video and wrote a paragraph on the arrests last week. You'll break your arm patting your own back over that. If you are really down with OPP you will have to prove it. So far you've failed.

restitutiontouscitizensfirst
restitutiontouscitizensfirst

VERY FUNNY!

I don't like Steve Martin.

I do agree with below "Morales" about focusing on local issues STOP . . . AND national issues;  focus on local issues in the context of national issues.  Take care of the big stuff and the little stuff might just fall into place. . . . or we can deal with it later . . . . or, you know what?  If people have decent paying jobs most of them will just forget about the little stuff.  Si Se Puede - local CAN AFFECT WALL STREET FROM ARMORY PARK IN TUCSON!   SI SE PUEDE!

If everyone has a good job and racism is not used against them to get, keep, and move up in, a good job - won't all that racial crap kind of fade into the background? Wouldn't that be an example of a huge national issue, focused on appropriately, helping to resolve local issues as well?  If various communities unite to focus on the big one - jobs, once everybody gets one would not the combined effort hopefully serve to tear down walls of hate and fear that divide us?

No, it is the criminals who want us divided.  It is the criminals who want us to view our problems through racially tinged lenses.  JUST SAY NO!

StephenLemons
StephenLemons

Ayn Rand? Who mentioned Ayn Rand? I certainly didn't. And Steve Martin's stand-up act was way better, BTW ;)

I like the link to Mahr.

I'm not patting my back over anything. They were your videos, bro. I'm glad you did them. That's why I put them up. Because they were good.

Totally agree with Morales on this:

"Focus on local issues. You are NOT going to affect change on Wall Street from Armory Park in Tucson. However, you can help out with local issues, and if every city takes care of their own problems, we can make a difference."

Ridinmaureenschinny
Ridinmaureenschinny

I like the way King writes. He has an insight most liberals don't get. As I read the article, I begin to feel as if I were there, amongst the very bums he writes about. Thank you Mr King. Very insightful.

MaureenBee
MaureenBee

I just looked at the rest of his articles, andnoticed he was a right wing toolbag and dismissed him. If he likes corporatemoney buying up his politicians what can you even say to that. I feel a littlepity for people who can't see how hard they getting screwed. In the end thismovement does not seem to be going away and whatever changes it accomplishespeople like your  toolbag friend will benefit from them as well as therest of us.   Lefties are not the only ones out there, and we are gettinga lot of support. OccupyPhoenix is just a small part of whole movement, so hecan sneer at the number of protesters out there but dont forget the ones in new york and portland, andseattle, and somany other cities in this country and around the world. :)

ExpertShot
ExpertShot

1 hour ago

So do the Daughters of the AmericanRevolution!

Sid
Sid

1 hour ago

What's the dealyo with repeating whatsomeone with a mic says? I don't get it. They all look homeless. Do they haveshelter?

Mutumbo
Mutumbo

1 hour ago

I like the black fellow dancing a jig tobagpipe music.

mbsanchez
mbsanchez

1 hour ago

What does Iran, N Korea, the Nazis ofAmerica, Communist Party of America, Socialist Party of America, DemocratParty, and Obama, Pelosi, Reid  have in common?

They ALL fully support Occupy Wall Street!

mikefrombisbee
mikefrombisbee

And who was it, Goober, who was in charge when greed imploded our economy in 2008? Who was it who lied us into a war we didn't need to fight with a bullshit story about weapons of mass destruction? Who hired ideologically-charged incompetents to run reconstruction projects in Iraq and pissed tens of billions of dollars down the drain? Who let Osama Bin Ladin get away? Who put a right wing activist who didn't know shit about his job in charge of FEMA and let New Orleans withe in agony? Who supported Saddam Hussein AND traded TOW missiles to Iran in exchange for hostages? Who ran a covert operation of right-wnig Nicaraguan thugs ("the moral equivalent of our founding fathers") who financed their operation with cocaine smuggled into the United States? Who plotted with right-wing thugs and corporate fat cats in Chile to overthrow the legally elected government? Who hired a bunch of right-wing Cuban thugs to burglarize the Democratic national committee headquarters?. Who hired right-wing goons to break into a psychiatrist's office to steal confidential patient information to discredit a whistle-blower? Who runs the Arizona governors office as a political whorehouse - a sordid place for professional right-wing pols to get cushy corporate jobs in exchange for lucrative contracts with the state? Who lies about headless bodies in the desert of Arizona? Who sponsors known Nazis for positions in the Mormon church? Who has used hate as a political policy? Who beats his wives and tries to fix elections by drafting a foolish, ignorant woman as a sham candidate?

If you prefer to see the world through your bullshit right-wing prism, that's your right. Just don't expect anyone with a memory to believe your twisted nonsense.

I don't believe your name is Sanchez. I believe you are an East Valley shill. A bullshitter full of bullshit.

Kris Casey
Kris Casey

Who were the Klan? Who murdered , raped, and used terrorism to prevent the black man from exercising his rights? Democrats.

mikefrombisbee
mikefrombisbee

I don't know if you're smart - but your education is certainly superficial. You certainly didn't deliver. It (the move of white conservatives out of the Democratic Party) started, as you should well know if you were well-read in American history, in 1948 with the ultra-racist Strom Thurmond running as the Dixiecrat candidate in reaction to the efforts by Truman to integrate the armed forces and to add a civil rights plank to the party platform. The movement gained impetus in 1964-64 with the passage of the civil rights act and the voting rights act - that was the beginning of the end of the solid south. The Democratic Party, as you should have known, was to a large extent a coalition of white southerners and big city machines for many decades. The swing of southern states from democrat to republican occurred, as you should have known, as white southerners abandoned the Democratic party for Wallace and Nixon in 1968 (have you ever heard of the Nixon campaign's Southern Strategy, Goober? Look it up. The Chicago riots were largely the result of social discontent stemming from a variety of factors - such as the Vietnam War, discontent with the progress of change in society regarding race and the disgust of younger people with machine style politics. The seating of old-school cracker delegates from specific southern states was one factor in the anger in Chicago. And the riot was as much precipitated by Chicago cops as by the demonstrators. And, as I remember, there were riots all over the United States in 1968. You can't remake history to suit your own beliefs, Goober. The movement of white racists and religious conservatives to the Republican fold was because the Democratic party WAS admitting people of color into positions of influence and was supporting policies that were leading to the end of segregation. And the Democratic Party is where people of color have been happy to remain ever since (Herman Cain and Clarence Thomas excepted). And the racists and paranoid whites moved to the Republican Party - where they have been happy to remain ever since.

Now go drag out Cleon Skousens and tell me it ain't so...

Kris Casey
Kris Casey

ok you asked for it. Speaking of shallow understandings of history...Look up what year the Democratic platform changed to anti-segregation. Hint-it's not in the 1960's. The 1968 chicago riot was prompted by the slimy dixie-crats who still controlled the platform committee even though they no longer commanded a majority of the delagates. When it became clear that those vermin were going to keep segregation in the platform- that's when the riot happened. So tell me MISTER I'm from po' dunk AZ and think I'm smart.... What year did the democrats abandon segregation?

mikefrombisbee
mikefrombisbee

If you knew anything about history - and your post shows you have a very superficial understanding at best - you would know that the Democrats of the 19th century and early-mid 20th century in the south were conservative and the party of ex-Confederates. Not many republicans in the south until the Democrats pushed for racial integration in the 1960s. But, being an ignorant Goober who isn't well-versed in history, you wouldn't know that. Too bad for you.

Bnbk
Bnbk

Great post Mike !

StephenLemons
StephenLemons

Had a little technical error here, and lost a few comments. Not on purpose, so no conspiracy theories, please! I'll repost the comments I find in the system with the pseudonyms used by the posters. If I miss yours, just repost. You're not being censored. Thanks.

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