Russell Pearce Supporter and Tea Party Chairman Greg Western Submits Sigs for Olivia Cortes

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Tea Partier Greg Western, just after submitting signatures for putative vote-diluter Olivia Cortes

Like you needed more proof that Olivia Cortes' candidacy in the November 8 recall election in Legislative District 18 is all about "diluting" the vote and helping state Senate Russell Pearce beat challenger Jerry Lewis, East Valley Tea Party Chairman Greg Western submitted 1,177 signatures on behalf of Cortes today, just under today's 5 p.m. deadline.

Sources have indicated to me that Western recruited Cortes to run, as they both attend the same Mormon church in Mesa and know each other from there. As he left the Arizona Secretary of State's Office where he'd just dropped off Cortes' petition sheets, he admitted that he and Cortes attend the same church, but he denied that he recruited Cortes.

"I didn't recruit her," he said, as he left. "She decided to run and I decided to help her."

He also denied knowing who paid Petition Pros to gather signatures for Cortes, or ponied up the dough for her illegal campaign signs, bearing the Cesar Chavez slogan, "Si, Se Puede."

"Somebody was paid," he said of the signature-gathering, "but I don't know who did it."

Interestingly, the East Valley Tea Party recently advertised an event for Pearce, and in a 2010 statement to the Maricopa County Republican Party Web site, Western cited Pearce's ascension to the state Senate Presidency as a win for the Tea Party.

"We gained 680 state legislative seats with Arizona and Texas having super majority's [sic]," he wrote in the item. "Russell Pearce has been elected Senate President and has called the upcoming Senate the Tea Party Senate."

Two weeks ago, I stopped by Western's house in Mesa to question him about his involvement in Cortes' candidacy. A woman identifying herself as his wife came to the door. I asked to talk to Western. She said he wasn't home and asked why I wanted to see him.

When I told her, she said didn't know about Cortes' candidacy, but she insisted that her husband supported Pearce.

"I know he's for Russell Pearce," she explained.

At the Secretary of State's Office, I questioned Western about his wife's statement, but he wouldn't answer. Later, I got on the elevator with him, but he refused to ride down with me and took the stairs. So I took the elevator down and waited for him to emerge from the stairwell at the bottom.

I walked behind him outside, asking him about his wife. 

"She told you what she thought she knew," he grumbled.

Earlier, he wouldn't even commit to voting for Cortes, and said he was helping her out to get "experience" in working on campaigns.

Asked about the reports from yesterday of paid signature-gatherers telling people that getting Cortes on the ballot would help split the vote in favor of Pearce, Western said, "Maybe that's why they were helping her and they were putting words in her mouth."

But a second later, he admitted that, "Obviously the more people in there, the less votes that is for everybody else."

Well, no duh, Sherlock. Whoever put Cortes up to run must've thought this was a pretty smooth move. If I were them, I'd be praying that she doesn't make the ballot. Because if she does, she'll be an albatross around his thick, sweaty red neck.

She needs 621 signatures from qualified LD18 voters. A challenge of the 1,177 Western turned in for her is possible.

Libertarian Michael Kielsky was a no-show, BTW. Earlier in the day, he bowed out and threw his support behind Lewis. Kudos to him for doing so.

Irony of ironies: Pearce is the most anti-Latino politician in America, and yet his supporters recruit a little Latina lady to help him out.

Which, in the end, may be his downfall. How delicious is that?

Note: Garin Groff's article in the Tribune states that, "Western, chairman of the East Valley Tea Party, acknowledged he had recruited Cortes to run in the special election, saying they both belong to the same Mormon church." Actually, Western denied this, according to my recording of the media scrum jumping Western.

Update: Pearce-foe Jerry Lewis has issued the following statement regarding the Cortes-Western charade:

"I am in this race to bring integrity and respect to Mesa's politics. This political stunt, designed to deceive voters, is a symptom of our currently ailing political climate. I am very disappointed. I call for a fresh start for Mesa, focused on how we can improve education and bring back jobs and strengthen our economy."


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Dumoudan
Dumoudan

Is this law Racist? Are the people who agree with this law racist?Are those who want this law enforced racist?Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who:Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact; has committed a federal crime.Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense.

Gerry_C
Gerry_C

We got an election now!

AZGregory
AZGregory

These people are not smart enough to get away with this ill-conceived dirty tricks fiasco.  The deep thinkers never figured out how they were going to explain why the hard-core Tea Party supporters of Pearce happened to be supporting an opponent, conveniently a lady with a hispanic surname.  Given the ham-handed way in which they have handled this so far, I have no doubt that they have completed screwed things up from a legal standpoint and they are going to face some serious embarrassment as things unfold or some potential criminal liability, or both.  Someone already paid for campaign signs (not cheap) and paid petition circulators.  I am willing to bet a large sum that it was not Olivia Cortes.  You can't just fund a campaign by buying signs and paying circulators without violating campaign finance laws.  There are limits to how much individuals can donate to a campaign and records have to be maintained and filed.  They are going to have to disclose eventually who the shadowy figures are who have funded it up until now and whatever they intend to do from here on out.  No more anonymity.  The only way to maintain their secrecy from this point will be if they expand the lies and deceit and try to hide the money trail.  Given the stupidity and dishonesty displayed thus far, I am guessing that is the way they will go. It is a short election cycle and they may get away with hiding the identity of the wizard behind the screen until after the election but only at the cost of a deeper and more long-lasting scandal.  

Concerned Citizen
Concerned Citizen

If Greg Western is the voice of the Tea Party, people you better wake up and take action. It's time to gather support for Jerry Lewis! Arizona gets scarier by the day. A state that would wipe away the 20th century. 

Johnfalky
Johnfalky

Isn't election rigging something that could land you in jail?

Jason
Jason

Cortes is nothing but a shill for Pearce. She is now an ally for Pearce, helping him retain his seat.

Jerry Lewis needs to open the industrial-strength and industrial-size can of whoop ass on both Pearce and Cortes in order to secure Pearce's seat.

Welcome Jerry Lewis for LD18 Senator.  

Tommy Collins
Tommy Collins

It must have been a slow day at work. Mr. Western found time to schlep the signature pages to the SOS office.

http://www.azhometheater.com/a...

I wonder why Ms. Cortes couldn't do so. She indicates she is retired and she seems to be out and about, shopping, an awful lot.

Could it be that some folks are being duped by all this nonsense from the pearce camp?

wherewasi
wherewasi

Awesome picture of Western!  Are those the Flames of Hell burning behind his glowing eyes?  Or is he just another ordinary blood-sucking vampire?

LOL!  Mr. Lemons, your account of his childish behavior (getting off the elevator to avoid riding with you, blaming "your confusion" on his wife misunderstanding his political belief, etc.) are pretty comical.  For all their tough talk and beligerent grand-standing, they sure act like a bunch of bratty kids when confronted.

Lala
Lala

Pearce's newest email:

Dear Citizen:You have probably heard by now that there is an effort to RECALL me from public office.  That’s right.  A group of left-wing community organizers are abusing Arizona’s election process and are trying to have me recalled because of my tough legislation against illegal immigration.

They don’t like the laws that I sponsor and support, like SB 1070, Arizona’s tough illegal immigration law.  So, they went out and spent tens of thousands of dollars to collect petition signatures to force a recall election this November.  (We don’t know how much they raised or spent because they refuse to disclose where the money came from!)

I am now preparing for the toughest campaign of my life.  We already know that the organizers of this recall effort have deep ties to big labor union bosses, the open-borders and amnesty crowd and are going to pour tons of money into my legislative district to remove me from office.

Will you stand with me to stop this recall?

I’ve never backed down from a fight and I’m not about to start now.  This recall campaign, if successful, will be just the beginning of a concerted effort to remove conservatives from office around the country.  We cannot let that happen!

It was recently reported that President Obama and his Administration have instituted a back-door amnesty plan for those who are in our country illegally.  He has intentionally avoided having the law changed by Congress because he knows he doesn’t have enough votes.

This means that those of us who care for and respect the rule of law must re-double our efforts to stop any amnesty scheme for those who have broken the law.  I will continue to sponsor and support tough illegal immigration laws, but I can’t do so if they’re successful in removing me from office.

So, I desperately need YOUR help.  I simply cannot compete with the local and national media that distort my record and the job I’m doing to protect this country.

The Washington Times recently reported that this campaign against me could be the most expensive legislative race in our state’s history.  There is an expectation of this campaign costing millions and millions of dollars.

Your support for my campaign is now critical.  If you agree with me that we must stand by the rule of law, I humbly ask for your financial contribution today.  This will be an expensive campaign, but with the support of good people like you, we’ll be victorious this November.Please make a much-needed contribution today.  I cannot thank you enough for your support!

Sincerely,

Signature

Senator Russell PearceArizona State Senate

Hock
Hock

So, can a man with integrity prevail over Pearce's good ol' boy politics and shenanigans?   Mesa voters have not impressed me in the past.  

DG
DG

How come nobody's ever published a picture of Olivia Cortes?! What does she even look like?!

Gerry_C
Gerry_C

Pearce, Western, and Cortes could shake the belief that many have about Mormons being generally good people.  There are always renegades that don't fully practice and there are those that have left.  But to have very public, allegedly good Mormons setting out to deceive people and play games with an election really brings values into question.  I suppose it comes down to an issue between them and Heavenly Father in the end.

Olivia Cortes is really taking the cake in this issue.  To allow herself to be exploited like this, to take free help for signatures and signs, to focus these acts on her race and heritage, to not even state campaign postions or speak to the press, etc.  She is doing nothing more than dialing back the clock one women's rights and status, the position of hispanics in America, and selling out her soul.  If my child did that at her age, I would leap from my grave and kick her in the butt.  You expect this behavior out of a drugged up whore, not someone with a modest position in society such as Olivia.  Am I reading her wrong?

Jewel in the desert
Jewel in the desert

Russell Pearce is his own worst enemy.  Every time he talks he says stupid things that hurt his campaign. So he was told by his own party to shut up.  But even without saying a word publicly his bullying tactics have continued and he continues to look like the extreme, dishonest, win at all costs, person that he is.  People are tired of it and he is losing many more votes than he is gaining by his lame attempts at deception.

Coz
Coz

So Pearce is resulting to Election rigging, I didn't expect anything less out of the Pearce camp.

wherewasi
wherewasi

I can't wait for November 9!  No more Pearce bullshit.  This whole sordid story makes me sick.  I trust the voters in LD18 will make this right by kicking this hill-billy to the curb!

Tina
Tina

There is not one person of sound mind that  I can even imagine (except perhaps Pearce himself) who would sell their good name at ANY price in order to deceive 68,000 people -- the registered voters in Legislative District 18.  I was most gratified to read the statement from Jerry Lewis about this whole unconscionable matter.  

ExpertShot
ExpertShot

It is the failure to disclose who paid for the signs and petition gatherers which will be the solid evidence the County Prosecutor will have to proof "corrupt practice" in the Tea Party Supporter, Greg Western's deceit to falsely induce voters to vote for Olivia Cortes. 

BTW - I saw Olivia at the local fetish vendor asking for whips and a mouth gag the other day.  She said it was for Pearce - he promised her a party should he with (with her help of course).  Those crazy Mormons!  They don't even believe that Jesus was part of the triune god (God, The Spirit, and the Son).

Tina
Tina

Two commenters on azcentral cited statutes to that effect.  

US War Veteran
US War Veteran

Yes it is, but its more like prison rather than jail, but pearce and his cohorts feel pretty safe that they have the Arizona Attorney General tom horne in their pocket, horne like brewer is nothing more than a corrupt puppet.

wherewasi
wherewasi

Actually, I'm wondering if Olivia even knows she's running...

Tommy Collins
Tommy Collins

Liz, it's his cigar. No one wants to be near Mr. Lemons when he is smoking his cigar...

Tina
Tina

Interesting.  That's far more accusatory and desperate than his 8/26/11 mailed letter sent to LD 18 voters   (possibly just Republicans) which was also accusatory and had great stretching of truth, but not as great as this email. 

Ross
Ross

PS -- The Arizona Constitution requires that the state pay my campaign expenses, but I don't trust my fellow bozos in the Legislature to obey that law.  However, I assure you that anything they allow me, will be used to pay you back.

wherewasi
wherewasi

Enough to make one gag.

"...I humbly ask for your financial contribution today."  What a crock.  Pearce doesn't know the meaning of humble.

Tina
Tina

I think  Mesa voters have wised up.  

Tommy Collins
Tommy Collins

["You expect this behavior out of a drugged up whore, not someone with a modest position in society such as Olivia.  Am I reading her wrong?"]

Gerry, I don't think you're reading her actions incorrectly. For some reason that we're likely to never know, she sold her soul to the pearce camp and I would think she is probably regretting it. I suppose she will get her 15 seconds of shame out of it when her grandchildren Google her name and find out what she has done (or has did, as Mrs. Brewer would say).

I am really bothered that many people are equating this election issue to be on parity with a religious assignment, of sorts.

I will also state that if I were a member of the Mormon church I would be working vigorously to get rid of pearce. Only because he doesn't publicly disavow himself from the church, hoping to garner votes from those Mormons who are ignorant enough to believe his mush he spews forth. I think folks of the Mormon faith are generally good people. I know others from other religions who fit the same mold. I also know agnostics and non-believers who are also very good people. pearce is not amongst them and I think he is a true stigma to the the church he openly flouts.

JesusHChrist
JesusHChrist

year, isn't like a sin or somethin for Mormons to lie?

Ross
Ross

I am always amused by Lewis's paeans to education, when he knows many of his constituents through his work in brainwashing high school students who are released from classes daily to attend religious indoctrination sessions.  Still, the Mormon model is more cost effective than the Catholic system.  Parochial school students are programmed all day at their own expense; an hour a day for public school students seems to work just as well.

A search for Lewis's website led me, of all places, to the Sonoran Alliance website, which has a link to Lewis's interview on Arizona PBS Horizonte. 

http://sonoranalliance.com/201...

Lewis is relaxed and laid back for much of the 18-minute segment, but starts gesticulating when asked about his views on immigration policy.  Fortunately at the end he does tell how to get to his official campaign website -- something I challenge you to find with a Google search -- and it is there that I found this statement:  

>I support a rational and fair solution for dealing with immigrants who have committed no crime other than being here without proper documentation.<

Apparently the "education" candidate needs to be taught that overstaying a visa is not a crime.

Tina
Tina

Actually, I'm wondering if Olivia (still) exists.  Did her "sister" steal Olivia's identity?  I hope Karen Osborne checks Olivia's signature on her voter registration with her signature on her nominating petition.  

Tommy Collins
Tommy Collins

Maybe MCSO ought to be looking into her birth certificate, huh?

I hear that's their newest gig.

wherewasi
wherewasi

LOL ... ok, you mean he left the elevator because of the cigar.

I was thinking you were talking about the glowing eyes and wondering why Lemons would waste a perfectly good cigar poking around in the cavern between Western's ears...

Tina
Tina

I had the same reaction to his use of the word "humbly" at the end of his mailed letter.  There he doesn't ask for a financial contribution, however.  He just says, "On November 8th, I humbly ask for your support and your vote.  If you would like to speak with me, please feel free to contact by email at russellpearce@cox.net or go to www.russellpearce.com.  I look forward to hearing from you."

Tommy Collins
Tommy Collins

Not true. There was that one time when he flatulated on a crowed elevator headed for the 19th floor. He, very humbly, looked at the MCSO shurf and said, "I think you may have soiled your adult undergarments, shurf"...

Now that is indeed humble.

Tina
Tina

Who knows if that is even her,  if she exists.  It might be her "sister."

wherewasi
wherewasi

That looks like a scary nanny-cam picture.  She looks damn near as ornery and cantankerous as Pearce.

Ross
Ross

Grandchildren?  We haven't heard anything about a husband or children, yet.  Just some woman who lives with her and claims to be her sister.

Of course, we haven't heard anything from Lewis about how his church handled the Brock sex molestation case.

Tyler Montague
Tyler Montague

Ross, I don't see the point you're trying to make.  First, taking a class in religion isn't "brainwashing." 

Overstaying your visa, or entering the country illegally both qualify as being in the country illegally.  Russell Pearce wants to round up all of those people, without differentiating among them, and deport them.  That includes kids who grew up here for 20 years and have no connections to their former country, as well as people who got here last week--he wants to treat them all the same.  If he can't round them up (via his buddy Arpaio) he will then attempt to starve them out, by cutting off access to work, schools, hospitals, transportation, housing, etc.  Again, he doesn't care about these people, or the businesses that rely on the labor they provide, or the families he may break up.  In stark contrast, Jerry Lewis, who would also like to solve the problem, favors sealing off the border, getting rid of criminals (undocumented aliens committing felonies here), and coming up with some sort of guest worker program for the rest.  They would have to pay fines for violating the law, just like we do with other civil violations, and wouldn't be handed citizenship--that's something people must earn.  They both want to solve the illegal immigration problem, but Lewis wants to do it in a way that recognizes the humanity of these people.

Tina
Tina

Best idea yet -- Lewis challenging her to a debate.  That's better than a debate sponsored by a news outlet, where she could cop out more easily. 

Tina
Tina

Or anybody checking into the possibility of a death certificate for Olivia.

Mistalee
Mistalee

Absolutely. I bet close scrutiny of her birth certificate will reveal that PDFs of it displayPDF-like artifacts, proof that she is in fact Barack Obama.

Anon
Anon

Tommy, Well said. Call legislator Burgess -- get her on this one.

wherewasi
wherewasi

I think it would be pretty funny if she wins - LOL!  Remember Ruth Bussie (or Buzzie - I don't remember how to spell it) beating Arte Johnson with her purse on Rowan and Martin's Laugh In?  I can just picture Olivia beating Pearce with a big shopping bag, screaming at him "You said it was all just a hoax!!"

I wish Lewis would challenge her to a debate.  Someone with some pull needs to call her out so she can "put up or shut up."

wherewasi
wherewasi

That's reassuring.  I would have thought that he would have taken the arrogant stance in that situation and proclaimed "my farts smell damned good!"

wherewasi
wherewasi

Yeah.  She sure does "shop" a lot, doesn't she?

Tommy Collins
Tommy Collins

I have to wonder is she is also her sister who happens to answer the door and phone... I guess, like me, she might be Gemini and be able to get away with it, eh?

Chad Snow
Chad Snow

Tina, I would expect someone like you to have better reading comprehension.   The "written policy" referred to at the end of the King piece had NOTHING to do with LDS leaders reporting matters of wrongdoing.  It was an instruction for church leaders not to inject themselves into legal proceedings to which the Church is not a party, such as becoming a character witness at a sentencing or testifying on behalf of a church member. 

King used it as a cheap attempt to add legitimacy to his argument, for which I lost a lot of respect for him as a journalist. 

Tina
Tina

Gerry, pick up a copy of the Sept 8-14 New Times.  (I picked up one today at a Mesa Circle K.)  Big, big story by James King -- thoroughly documented, nothing left out ("Brocked up") --  and yes, the shurf did give preferential treatment to Fulton Brock.  Another item near the end of the piece quotes a written policy for  LDS leaders, how they should NOT volunteer/report matters of wrongdoing by members to the authorities.  You'd have to read the lengthy policy to get an idea of why those bishops apparently felt it their "duty" to keep the sordid abuse by Susan Brock within the confines of the church, not report it to police -- which the boy's father ultimately did himself.  

Gerry_C
Gerry_C

Even though the shurf has not a clue what goes on in his organization, has not a clue about the budget and how it is spent, has not even a tiny clue about the actions of his direct reports, has not a clue what is included in the autobiographies he has 'written,' he still has the knowledge and aptitude to know what not to do as shurf such as attack Fulton Brock at this time, conduct raids in Scottsdale, raid Danny's CarWash, etc.

Tommy Collins
Tommy Collins

Ross, I don't know about a husband or grandchildren, either. That statement was intended as a rhetorical.

I don't expect Mr. Lewis or anyone else to make statements about the Brock crimes. The church as already stated their position of no wrongdoing, regardless of what others might think. Unfortunately so many people deeply ensconced in religion genuinely believe their church can handle a criminal episode and 'cure' the perpetrator. The difference between a church and professional law enforcement is that most of the time law enforcement has the ability to conduct an objective and meaningful investigation.

Don't you find it interesting that the normally vocal shurf of MCSO has NEVER said a word about the Brock crimes? Including those of Mr. Brock?

Richard
Richard

I actually called the INS on this. overstaying a visa isn't a crime it is a civil violation. Entering without a visa is a crime. However an error by Mr. Lewis on this is rather small no? Deportation is a given if the person is caught, and if they have overstayed by a year or more it will be very difficult to get a new visa. Why are you hammering Lewis, considering the things Mr. Pearce has said in the past. Lastly, you do realize that dragging all the anti-mormon crap into a discusion (no, I'm not mormon) is a red-herring, right?

Ross
Ross

And I'll send $50 to the Lewis campaign as soon as he corrects his website.

Kcarson
Kcarson

Follow the link, below.  Read down to the debate comments from James Sensenbrenner, JD, U.S. Representative (R-WI), speaking of the then-current state of the law:

"However, unlawful presence itself, such as by overstaying a visa, is not a criminal offense, but only a civil ground of inadmissibility..."

The debated bill did not become law.  The civil distinction remains in place today. FWIW: it's hard to prove a negative."

Kcarson
Kcarson

Quick point of fact, overstaying your visa is not a crime.  It's a civil wrong. That's why we deport them using civil, not criminal, courts.

Tommy Collins
Tommy Collins

Ok, I will send 50 and you can send 50, how's that?

To be splitting hairs we can say the actual overstaying of a visa is NOT a crime until which time the visa holder (alien) has been given an ordered departure date. Once that day has come and gone and the alien has not left the country THEN it is a criminal offense as follows:

TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER II > Part V > § 1253Prev | Next

§ 1253. Penalties related to removalHow Current is This?

(a) Penalty for failure to depart

(1) In general

Any alien against whom a final order of removal is outstanding by reason of being a member of any of the classes described in section 1227(a) of this title, who—

(A)willfully fails or refuses to depart from the United States within a period of 90 days from the date of the final order of removal under administrative processes, or if judicial review is had, then from the date of the final order of the court,

(B)willfully fails or refuses to make timely application in good faith for travel or other documents necessary to the alien’s departure,

(C)connives or conspires, or takes any other action, designed to prevent or hamper or with the purpose of preventing or hampering the alien’s departure pursuant to such, or

(D)willfully fails or refuses to present himself or herself for removal at the time and place required by the Attorney General pursuant to such order,

shall be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than four years********************************************************************************************************

That is federal law, amigo.

By the way, the folks in the house behind me were recently evicted after living there after not making house payments for six months or more, twice. Not Mormons. Probably not any other religion that I know of. They always had money for lots of alcohol and tobacco products, and some products that are commonly thought to be illegal.

That is civil law.

Visas and immigration are considered both civil and criminal.

Ross
Ross

I'll send a $100 donation to the Lewis campaign, even if they won't even give me a bumper sticker, as soon as any of his supporters can cite a federal law that makes it a crime to stay in the United States after a visa expires.

Many LD18 homeowners, including some Mormons, are living in their homes despite not having made a mortgage payment for six months or longer.  Are they criminals?  No.  Can they be evicted?  Yes, eventually, in a civil proceeding.  Is Lewis going to defend them by saying their only crime is defaulting on a debt?  Of course not.  When it comes to defending middle-class white people, he has some basic knowledge.

Tommy Collins
Tommy Collins

Ross, I don't know what his source is, but I will ask Mr. Lewis when I meet him. In the mean time I've not found a credible source that says overstaying a visa is NOT a crime. You criticize the guy but don't seem to have a basis for your criticism. That doesn't speak well for your postings.

Ross
Ross

I'm not running for office.  Mr. Lewis is.  What is his source for calling it a crime?  Perhaps he found it on some golden tablets, later lost in upstate New York.  Or a black guy told him before it was cool to be African-American and crypto-Masonic. 

Tommy Collins
Tommy Collins

Ross, what is your factual basis for your statement that it's not a crime?

Interestingly, I found one source that says:

Criminal Record

Overstaying a visa is a crime, which means that any person who overstays a visa will now have a criminal record. This once again will be a problem for those who wish to be granted a visa to enter another country or to be allowed back into the United States.

Read more: Penalty for Overstaying a Visa | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/about_6328...

Yet, another source says it's not a crime and the overstayer of the visa won't be charged or jailed. Unfortunately I did not save that link and can't now find it.

In any case maybe we can accurately say overstaying a visa is at the very least a civil violation which would normally result in voluntary deportation, yes?

This is such a convoluted subject I'm not sure any candidate could intelligently say it's not a violation of federal law. In fact, the MCSO shurf routinely spouts that it's a 'felony' to be in the United States without documents. We know that is NOT true, of course, but truth and fact rarely have anything to do with what the MCSO shurf wants to say at the time his mouth is moving.

Your thoughts, Ross?

Ross
Ross

It's not a crime, and intelligent candidates should not call it a crime.

Tommy Collins
Tommy Collins

If it's not a crime then it must be a civil violation, yes Ross?

If I go to Australia and stay 182 days on a 180 day visa then I can be arrested and deported.

Our friend from South Africa had to leave because she divorced her U.S. husband and her residency status was about to 'expire'. She was given a number of days to voluntarily leave the U.S. or be arrested and deported.

Ross
Ross

First, the difference between a cult that brainwashes and a religion that requires teen-agers to attend classes, is probably about a million members.

Second, overstaying a visa is not a crime.  Say it ten times and maybe you and Lewis will understand it.

Gerry_C
Gerry_C

Good piece Tommy.  Key point I got from it is that Pearce does not listen and won't even pretend to take the time to listen.  He talks and talks and talks.  It is characteristic of a bully.  It is hard to represent people if you don't listen to them.

Tommy Collins
Tommy Collins

Tyler, the big difference between the philosophy of Mr. Lewis and pearce is simply one of logic. pearce doesn't have the ability to understand or apply a logical solution to a global problem. He is a bully who only understands bully tactics.

As an example: He didn't like passive demonstrations earlier this year at the senate. So, instead of letting citizen demonstrate he ordered two DPS officers to arrest two folks for trespassing.

He GIVES speeches, but doesn't communicate with his constituents. When he opens his mouth to speak he expels mush in the form of tired and ineffective rhetoric, using 'data' that is simply made up as his mouth moves, forming more lies.

Mr. Lewis actually has the desire and ability to LISTEN to what others have to say. He has the ability to analyze information and separate fact from fiction.

He has the ability to engage in two way communication and he has CLASS.

Most importantly, Mr. Lewis appears to CARE about others. Something pearce has never demonstrated. Well, other than taking his family and friends to free college football games.

Mr. Lewis is certainly the better option for LD18.

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