Tucson Unified School District's Tuesday Night Debacle

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From Tuesday's demonstration, outside TUSD...

Police in full riot gear, some tech-ed out SWAT-style with pepper-spray guns. A cop chopper overhead. Protesters locking arms to prevent police vehicles from moving. A 69 year-old activist on crutches arrested and cited, along with six others. Cops flinging demonstrators around like rag dolls.

In other words, not your average school board meeting.

Such was the scene last night as the Tucson Unified School District's governing board once more took up the issue of Mexican-American ethnic studies, the target of a new Arizona law championed by now Arizona Attorney General and former state schools Superintendent Tom Horne, seeking to end the program.

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Battle scars for a brown beret warrior...

Before leaving office, Horne declared the program to be in non-compliance with the statute, and called for the complete elimination of the courses. However, current school's Superintendent John Huppenthal has commissioned an audit of TUSD's Mexican-American Studies, the findings for which have yet to be released.

Last week, TUSD board members were expected to consider a proposal to downgrade the courses, making them electives that will no longer fulfill core requirements. But before they could be seated, student activists with the group UNIDOS took over the meeting by chaining themselves to members' chairs.

The protest April 26 was raucous, but nonviolent. No arrests were made.

TUSD canceled the meeting, and rescheduled for May 5, Cinco de Mayo. There was talk of holding it at a local high school. TUSD then changed that plan, deciding to hold the meeting May 3 at TUSD's cramped headquarters at 1010 West 10th Street in Tucson

The proposal from board president Mark Stegeman to make the courses electives, an apparent move to placate Huppenthal before the audit is concluded, was still on the agenda. 

After hours of discussion, TUSD members decided to put off the vote until a public forum can be scheduled to discuss the proffered changes.

The community wanted none of it, however. More than 300 demonstrators had gathered outside the TUSD building, with others packed inside the small board room.

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Pro-immigrant icon Isabel Garcia called the police presence "outrageous, unconscionable"

They were countered by 100 Tucson cops, who closed off the streets surrounding TUSD, filled its halls, and escorted those who intentionally violated the niceties of parliamentary procedure out of the room. These supposedly dangerous radicals were arrested and cited for 3rd degree criminal trespassing, a misdemeanor.

The TPD later issued a statement saying that its presence was at the request of the governing board, as were the arrests.

Not all of the governing board, however. Staunchly pro-ethnic studies members Adelita Grijalva and Judy Burns were both critical of the police state overkill.

"I was told we were going to hire four to six [off duty] Tucson police officers to assist security," Burns told me after the meeting. 

Instead, she said, "I was tripping over cops all night."

So who was to blame for the Fort Knox-like atmosphere? Burns pointed the finger at Stegeman.

"He was told by me, and by [TUSD superintendent John] Pedicone that this was horrible timing." Burns related. "That we needed to wait for the state report...I still believe they will not find us in violation of the law."

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Counter-demonstrator Ray Clark: "The prisons are full of these people..."

But Stegeman, an economics professor at the University of Arizona, remains tone deaf to the furor he has provoked. 

During the meeting, as demonstrators were dragged away by police and those listening outside via loudspeakers seethed with anger, Stegeman went into "lecture mode" as he called it, patronizng those present with hoary tales of "when I was in high school...a 100 years ago."

Indeed, despite his advanced degree, he came off as a class-A idiot.

A reputed Democrat whose term is up next year, he even ignored the calls of his own party, which has been unified in defense of ethnic studies.

Pima County Democratic Party Chair Jeff Rogers, who spoke on behalf of the program before the board, couldn't explain why Stegeman seemed so set on playing the heavy in this drama. Or why board member and Democrat Miguel Cuevas was so willing to cop the role of Quisling, or the "swing vote," as some refer to him.

(Board member Michael Hicks, a prototypical "angry white man" Tea Bagger, is anti-ethnic studies. Naturally.)

Pan Left's take on the TUSD debacle

"No one would have predicted that Stegeman or Cuevas would have supported anything like this," Rogers explained. "We helped both of these people get on the ballot and now they turn their backs on us.

"You've got a school district they say is 60.5 percent -- but is really closer to 70 percent -- Hispanic, and many of their families were indigenous to this area way before it was even a territory or a state. For them to ask to have their heritage taught as part of history, what's wrong with that?"

Some observers are already discussing a recall for Stegeman, with the ultimate goal of firing Pedicone as superintendent.

Pedicone has spoken out of both sides of his mouth on the issue, sometimes praising ethnic studies, sometimes dissing pro-ethnic studies students as "pawns."

Tucson attorney Richard Martinez, who has brought a lawsuit challenging the new anti-ethnic studies law as well as Horne's finding against the TUSD, believes Pedicone is behind Stegeman's proposal.

"This is Pedicone's agenda," stated Martinez, "and he's gotten Stegeman to be his stooge."

But why has Pedicone praised the program in past statements?

"These are people who are afraid to say what they really feel," Martinez told me. "You may not agree with him, but at least Horne has the cojones to say, `I hate what you teach. I don't like the content.'"

Martinez makes a very good case that the Horne-sponsored law will be overturned as vague and unconstitutional. In fact, he's debated Horne at length on the issue. David Morales' Three Sonorans blog has the full give-and-take online, here.

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Former ethnic studies student Erin, now at U of A, praised the classes

Whatever Stegeman and Pedicone had in mind going forward, Tuesday was a disastrous spectacle for them, and totally unnecessary. It inflamed the community, bringing down the wrath of students, parents, politicos and longtime activists, further alienating all to the board.

"It's absolutely outrageous, unconscionable that they put the cops on us in this heavy way," said Pima County Legal Defender Isabel Garcia. "Never, ever have we seen this kind of action."

She said cops and security wanded and patted everyone down, searching bags and purses, forcing attendees to leave their water bottles behind. Garcia was particularly incensed that 69 year-old Guadalupe Castillo, the lady on crutches mentioned above, was arrested after she tried to read portions of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.'s famous "Letter from a Birmingham Jail."

Indeed, the crowd outside rang with the cries of "Free Lupe!" until she was finally allowed to exit the building after being cited.

There have been some accusations of police abuse. One girl, a 16 year-old brown beret told me both her and her mother had been hit and jerked around by the cops. She showed me her hands, which were bleeding, almost like stigmata.

At one point, I and others eyeballed a squad of SWAT-team types, who looked ready to rumble, standing behind a building near some students waging a sit-in. But they did not attack. The students ultimately disbanded and walked back to the front of the building.

All of the ethnic studies students, current and former, that I spoke with praised the program as teaching them to think critically.

An Anglo gal by the name of Erin, now a freshman at the University of Arizona, said the courses were similar in reading matter and structure to the courses she's taking at U of A.

I asked her about criticisms of the program from Horne and others, specifically over the phrase "kill the gringo," a quote from a Chicano activist used in the history book Occupied America, which Horne often cites as an example of what ethnic studies teaches.

Erin, who like myself belongs to the "gringo" category, laughed, and explained that a phrase such as that would be presented in the context of who said it and when, not as some sort of commandment.

"It's inaccurate to pick out one sentence in probably the 50 different texts you read each semester," she explained. "He's just looking in the text from his perspective...I don't think that's very accurate."

This should be a no-brainer. Take as an example the quote from '60s radical H. Rap Brown, who once said, "Violence is American as cherry pie." If you teach people what the '60s were all about, the phrase might be discussed. But that doesn't mean the person teaching the class is preaching "violence."

What I liked about the protest Tuesday was the diversity of voices all uniting to stave off Stegeman's attack on the program, which is seen as the first step in killing it altogether. Nearly every ethnicity and color was represented.

Jana Happel, an Anglo mom who has two kids attending TUSD, disputed Stegeman's misleading statistics before the board. Stegeman contended that only five percent of TUSD students take ethnic studies.

But Happel pointed out that, "on the average 365 graduates per year took these classes," meaning that, "out of those graduates who had the opportunity to take the classes, one in four" did.

In other words, they are quite popular, and even Pedicone in the past has argued that the classes result in higher AIMS scores, graduation rates, and students matriculating to college.

So why fix it if it ain't broke? TUSD fears the loss of millions in state aid if they keep the status quo.

But critics like Martinez believe that the courts will overturn the law, and that TUSD board members such as Stegeman either are opposed to the courses or are allowing themselves to be bullied by the threat of loss of funds.

There were a few refuseniks present, like one roly-poly senior citizen by the name of Ray Clark, who claimed to be a Navajo and a regular attendee of TUSD meetings.

"The prisons are full of these people," Clark told me of the demonstrators. "They think that this is their land and that they have the right to take over."

Clark also joked that the situation needed a "Bull Connor" and some "police dogs" to straighten things out. He later said he was being facetious, but the gleam in his eyes seemed to belie this, just as when he told me, chuckling, that most journalists deserved to be strung up.

Edwin Rivera, a Latino man in an Arizona Cardinals T-shirt and cap, berated some of the brown berets for wearing a Mexican flag patch on their uniforms. The berets, all students, explained they were not supportive of the Mexican government, just that it was a symbol of their culture.

But Rivera, father of an 18 year-old at TUSD, wasn't buying it. He told me he was a naturalized citizen, and that wearing a Mexican flag is "a slap in the face" to the American flag.

"I feel sorry for those people," he said. "They're born here, they're educated here, and they wear the Mexican flag...You want to wear the Mexican flag, go to Mexico."

Thing is, I told him, you'll probably see more Irish flags on St. Paddy's Day in New York than you'll ever see in Dublin on any given day. If someone has a shirt with an Irish or Italian or British flag on it, no one gets bent out of shape. So what's the big deal with someone waving a Mexican flag or carrying a banner with the Virgin of Guadalupe on it?

To me, it seems self-evident from Tuesday evening's fracas that the ethnic studies ban and the desire of some on the TUSD board to downgrade the program is simply creating more division, anger and distrust in that community.

And with each passing day, it becomes clearer that the effort to axe ethnic studies in Tucson will eventually fail, the sentiments of a few like Rivera and Clark aside.


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Tucsontowman1
Tucsontowman1

to me it seems self-evident that the person that wrote this so called new article is VERY BIASED. To all the comments saying this is your land and a part of Mexico you lost this land fair and square in a peace treaty. Get over it if mexico is so great get your crap packed and head south and stay there

Bobby
Bobby

Isabel Garcia is a traitor, a Mexican patriot loyal to Mexico, and there is so much information on her fifth columnist activities in the U.S. and Arizona, that she should have been arrested years ago. Piss on her.

azafvet
azafvet

The Republicans have banned the teaching of the labor movement in Society as well as most of the civil war as well. Why should anyone be surprised that they want to stop racial ethnic studies except for the White Mormon ethnics since the time of their made up religion.

Rob
Rob

Bobby and Chicagonut are two (though very possibly one in the same) long time resident, racist trolls.

Note that few bother to reply to them; they are known.

While they chose to deny their racist views in their posts on this story, comments from previous blog posts - going back quite some time - are still readily available through a simple search. The proof is still there.

They're not worth your time.

Chem Trail Karen
Chem Trail Karen

President Osama pulled the biggest con job ever on Sunday and all you fuck faces care about is this shit? Why doesn't the feathered fuckface write about where is Bin Ladens body? Thats what I want to know.

chicagonut
chicagonut

To Mr. long name, racist. I am not a man but a woman. Nice that you ackowledge more cowardice by you reconquista types that you will take over with babies instead of bullets. As I said, your warrior ancestors must be turning in their graves now over such cowardice.

Why aren't you knocking on Guatamala's door? I mean afterall it use to be a part of Mexico. I'll tell you why because the U.S. is a rich nation and you don't give a damn about the land just the riches it would get you. That's why you have no interest in going after Guatamala. How about Canada? Why aren't you reconquista's knocking on Canada's door? I mean last I looked they were also a part of this continent, aren't they , Mr. Indigenous to the whole continent, lol.

A Mom in Tucson
A Mom in Tucson

Thank you for such a well written article. Just wanted to point out a couple of things.

"At one point, I and others eyeballed a squad of SWAT-team types, who looked ready to rumble, standing behind a building near some students waging a sit-in. But they did not attack. The students ultimately disbanded and walked back to the front of the building."

Most of us that were participating in the sit in were not students, I for example am a parent. The police had already physically assaulted us. They moved about one fourth of the folks on that part of the 'chain'. The police officer that attacked me at no point tried to move me. He squeezed the pressure points on my neck, shoulders and ears with all his might. When I did not cry out or show any sign of pain the struck me. When I still did not cry out he folded me over by my head and held my face into the ground. I was able to get my head out of his grip he began with the pressure points again until they were called off.

The officers continued to stand behind us. I could clearly hear the office that assaulted me complain about, "these fucking people." He also stated, " We should just start shooting them. That would get them to disperse."

Bobby
Bobby

I have a final comment here. Yes, some of the comments have become too heated. Yes, it is unworthy of human beings. But I'll tell you one thing. Allowing the radical elements like Isabel Garcia, Mecha, Aztlan types, leftist columnists, etc. spread discontent, and hate among young people, sure as hell is going to lead to disaster. You deny that this country has a history and culture two hundred years old and you don't like it. Fine. You don't have to like it. But there are millions of people that DO LIKE IT. YOU FOLKS BETTER THINK A LITTLE LONGER ON WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO UNLEASH HERE. FATE IS FICKLE.

bobbyluvschicagoracists
bobbyluvschicagoracists

I see Bobby and Chicagonut the bigoted trolls have returned even though they said the were gone for good..?

What prompted this..? Sonoran Alliance lies have gotten you bored..?

No-on listening to you over there anymore..?

The fact both of you trailer park racist, still keep returning is evident you have a problem with the Hispanic Community, and for that matter the native American Community as well..?

These US Citizens who wish to keep their true ethic studies not the European one that we are forced to learn..? ...and have learned to use their first amendment rights of protesting to attacks of racism only on their community, shows your true agendas as well Booby and chicagonut..

You both are as racist as they come, yet you never admit it..? Hmm..? Why is that..? What is your real issue with the Latino population..? Many of these citizens who were protesting have Degrees, and have served in the US Military.., yet you have a problem with them..

Bobby
Bobby

" Not all the board members were for the police presence, etc."

Adelita Grijalva for example wasn't. Well, bring in the clowns. Raul, "boycott Arizona's small business people to extinction" Grijalvas daughter, wasn't. SUP-RISE SUP....RISE SERGEANT CARTER.

Bobby
Bobby

The phrase in the article above, "Angry White Man", is a prototypical phrase, used by anti-white,usally leftists. It is a racist phrase and attack against European Americans that are not all the same, but are as diverse as other races. But, it is a common weapon used to smear people of a certain skin color, that the left uses without any qualms. Leftists would never write, prototypical "angry Mexican Man,", Angry Black Man", etc.

Bobby
Bobby

The phrase, "kill the Gringo", as explained above is not a command, it's just a kind of slip the Mexican_American professor, paid by Gringo taxpayers made, in the heat of the moment. I see. Everythings fine then. Yet, imagine a gringo professor, uttering those words towards,say, Mexicans. Wouldn't the leftist universities across the nation immediately fire and excoriate him. YOU BET THEY WOULD. But professor Gutierrez gets to retire with a taxpayer paid, very large pension, and can be a fifth columnist on the side during his retirment. Good deal.

The Lou Show
The Lou Show

Tune into THE LOU SHOW this Sunday when I will present my interview with Elisa Meza of UNIDOS . . . all about the last two TUSD Board meetings and what all of this means. www.theloushow.com

Concerned Citizen
Concerned Citizen

People need to study America's history - we are being taken back a half a century or more with the show of force. A reminder...

The Freedom Riders 50 years later: Are we teaching their story in schools? | Get Schooledhttp://blogs.ajc.com/get-schoo...

Bobby
Bobby

How can the Republicans ban the teaching of anything. Leftists, for the last fifty to seventy years, have been in control of the U.S.school system. Why do you think the country is now in the mess its in? When the left created the Soviet Union , all culture went out the window. Don't you realize that?

Bobby
Bobby

P.S. few are bothering to reply to us, because more and more people can see your issues and those that think like you are EMPTY. You don't get it do you. It isn't quite clear to you Rob, is it? Americans don't want to pay for this racist La Raza, special ethnic studies, and all the rest of the worthless leftist programs any longer. We don't want our taxes wasted on leftist crap any longer. The country is broke. There is no money anylonger for the leftist brainwashing programs. That's why you can pay for them, most Americans no longer want to. Is that clearr enough for you anti-white racists?

Bobby
Bobby

Rob, your'e the racist. No, chicagonut and I are not the same person. I did not know she was female but it is good to know. That's what bothers racist people like you isn't it? Knowing that more and more Americans are on to the machinations of ethnic superemacist groups as well as home grown communist anti-white lefttist racists.

chicagonut
chicagonut

Bobby and I are not one and the same. I don't even know who is and I am a female. Could you kindly point out what I have said that is racist? I said that I don't have a problem with any race or ethnic group and I don't have a problem with a course that teaches the culture of all ethnic groups just as long as one isn't being targeted as being evil or that they have less right to be in this country legally as any other group does. I also don't think that whites are a superior race. Those are my views now you tell me which part is racist.

Eyicozcacuauhtliozomatli
Eyicozcacuauhtliozomatli

their you are my racist enemy, you are not a woman but a monster. does it make you feel better that i called you a name. now we are on equal footing, please resppnd with some intelligence and less of this technological warrioring. you mock history only because your hate filled mind is only in search of more personal gain like your greedy genocidal ancestors. the truth of cowardice falls along these lines, why do your people need bombs and warplanes and nuclear bombs. because all know that people of your "ilk" are nothing but cowards hiding behindthose tools. why dont your minutemen and skinheads try to go to a brown face neighborhood? cowards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! why do they insist on wearing pistols at a peaceful protest? cowards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! why does your fearless racist sherifff have so many bodyguards? coward!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the most ignorant partof your rants today has been that you still cant comprehend a simple truth. this is our continent, you cannot stop us from having it back. this is why you are upset. the fact that eventually your ignorant racist descendants will be controlled by people of brown skin from the tip of northern cananda to the tip of tierra del fuego in argentina. the thought that you cant be entitled to sit sit on your racist can all day enjoying the lands of a different people besides you and your racist ilk". please just wither away into the past where you belong

Mistalee
Mistalee

And still you call him "police officer."

My dear, that was a fuckin' pig. Hope somebody uses him to make bacon.

chicagonut
chicagonut

Just who am I bigoted against? I have no problem with anyone or their ethnic studies just as long as they don't teach hate against another race/ethic group. What is wrong with people like you hurling unwarrented insults and with so much hate for an entire race of people? Your remarks are the epitomy of racism. Hypocrite!

chicagonut
chicagonut

You got that right, Bobby. Those that scream about the "racist white man" are the ones who truly are the real racists.

chicagonut
chicagonut

As you can see these ethnocentric, anarchists are also hypocrites.

Bobby
Bobby

Are you sure American history is a concern of yours? Most people that built this nation were lawabiding,hardworking,and reasonable. I don't see that in evidence with the "students", who are allowed to freely take a class, most of them at taxpayers expense, but still want to force it on others that don't.

Rob
Rob

"...as well as home grown communist anti-white lefttist racists"

Tea Party members too.

Say no more.

chicagonut
chicagonut

Why are you attributing myself and most white Americans with this? We are all individuals. I don't advocate for these sensless wars. I don't advocate for anyone's genocide and I am not responsible for what people long dead did. My ancestors committed no genocides nor are they committing any today. My ancestors are not from a country in Europe that came over here and had conflicts with the natives so how am I guilty via my ancestors? It appears you are lumping all white people together regardless of that and that is totally ridiculous. Just like any race of humans we don't all think and act alike.

There are blacks and Asians who came here without permission of the native indians so why aren't you demonizing them also? Many of them oppose the breaking of our immigration laws today also.

Your views that native indians own this entire continent in the year 2011 is so off the wall and bizarre that is pitiful. Ask the native indians who are indenous to his country if they agree that the decendants of the Aztecs, Mayans (Mexican indians) have any right to this country and they would laugh in your face. Ask the Canadian indians also. When are you going to petition our government for them to give Mexican indians the same rights as the Apache, Navajo, etc. do in this country rather than beating up on innocent white Americans, you coward?

You toss out the race card against innocent white Americans who had no part in the past and yet you are racist to the core yourself. You are so full of hate it is pathetic. Seek some counseling.

Eyicozcacuauhtliozomatli
Eyicozcacuauhtliozomatli

why would spreading 50000 years of knowledge be something that will lead to disaster.do you fear that you know that history cant be twisted by evil racists like you two forever. also do you honestly think your internet threat intimadates me, honestly do you truly think that we cant defend ourselves and that the u.n. would allow you european squatters to commit another genocide. the whole world sees through your eyes you had better be careful about what you are unleashing, because fate truly is fickle. and for you chicago nut, those courses are put in place to show that the white supremacist literature and history of the past 500 years are almost entirely lies, and were when i went to school. the fact that you choose the side of ignorance and white supremacy to defend makes you a white supremacist even if were of african descent or of my own culture.

Rosa Valencia Sanchez
Rosa Valencia Sanchez

Educating, supporting and upholding our ethnicity, culture and history is certainly NOT racist. We don't preach hatred and violence and SUPREMACY towards others. Someone like you doesn't seem to have a basic grasp in regard to dignity, human rights and pride. Try learning something, then perhaps we can have an intelligent discussion.

Eyicozcacuauhtliozomatli
Eyicozcacuauhtliozomatli

again to you bobby i am sure by now you have almost learned to read my name so i will not reintroduce my self. but on what planet do you consider genocidal maniacs such as the original european invaders to be law abiding and reasonable. we had laws and cities and universities (free to all by the way). the "founders" of your nation were murdering smallpox spreading evil deviants that would not fix their own country. they raped enslaved murdered and brought disease, killing between 70 million and 90 million indigenous people on this continent to take possession of this land when they finally killed to many they brought african slaves. please read some history books and the 1776 theory or the christof colon discovered a continent populated by 100 million theory and let me know when youre ready to be discuss the solutions to your genocidal past.if not i will start having carwashes and fundraising to send you back to europe. either way i await your response. your conscience is calling please respond.

The Lou Show
The Lou Show

You certainly do need some educatin', Bobby boy. Let me clue you in about these MAS classes: While they are NOT mandatory, they can be taken to satisfy core requirements. What the TUSD wants to do is transform them into electives that will NOT satisfy core requirements. Turning these classes into electives essentially devalues these classes, and eliminating them from core requirements effectively kills these classes because students struggle to fulfill requirements and will choose to take other classes.

I also find it ironic that Tom Horne, by alleging that these classes advocate the overthrow of the US government (yeah . . . right . . . . like there is any evidence of this within all the years these classes have been offered) . . . has effectively caused the formation of a coalition to protect these classes and threaten to overthrow the system (Horne, Huppenthal, Stegeman, etc) that enabled such a formation to begin with. They should have just left it all alone. But this is the kind of Arizona Republican we have nowadays . . . idiots who like to shoot themselves in the foot!

And there is nothing you can say to defend them. Nothing.

chicagonut
chicagonut

What is this obsession you have for white supremists? Myself nor most white Americans are white supremists. I have never thought that white people were superior to other races nor am looking for an all white America so WTH are you rambling about? Are you just as obssessed with brown supremists? Thought not, hypocrite!

chicagonut
chicagonut

I never said it was, Evelyn. But "if" these ethnic classes are teaching hate and revenge against the white race then yes I am opposed to that and you should be also. What am I supposed to be learning based on my remarks in my first sentence? Accusing someone of needing an education is in essence calling them stupid. Nice civil debating there.

I have never denied the past but there is no it changing it now. There are two sides to every story also.

Eyicozcacuauhtliozomatli
Eyicozcacuauhtliozomatli

again chicago nut you haved proved yourself to be shameful. i know you read the posts above that these lands had one people and one culture who cares where your european borders are and why should it effect my culture and people. the fact that you automatically refuse to listen to truth shows that you truly are an agent of white supremacy

chicagonut
chicagonut

You're history isn't Mexican history. So what are you talking about? Your tribal ancestors were from this country, not Mexico.

Bobby
Bobby

Oh, I can definetly see YOUR "pride" coming through in all your posts, but little else. Trying to turn a school boards rational decision into issues involving supposed hate of the Mexican population is sick. How stupid do you imagine most people to be, when they see this stuff?

Bobby
Bobby

Sorry bro, I must have really hit a sore spot in your world view. Now I'm a terrorist. Whew.

Bobby
Bobby

Oh, an exchange of honor? Taking the victims to be sacrificed by having their living hearts cut out at the top of some pyramid and then being thrown down it. OK. I get it now.

Bobby
Bobby

I'm a hate filled person? I was logically objecting to and giving my views on the ethnic studies program being mandatory. You're the one that started with the hate posts. Anyone can check it.

Eyicozcacuauhtliozomatli
Eyicozcacuauhtliozomatli

hello again bobby, how does canabalism equal genocide and the history you quoted was probably from wikipedia posted by a white supremacist. you are very hate filled person. aslo too, if was a european i would be happy to remove myself from this continent in accordance with the laws

Bobby
Bobby

I care as little for what the pronunciation of his name was as you do the average Europeans. He was the Emperor of the Aztecs, the most genocidal group of people in that part of the Americas. Probably a relative of yours.

Bobby
Bobby

In fact, your racism is crystal clear. You try to link people that live in trailers with people of European descent. You in fact, lump all Europeans together without realizing stupid as you are, that they are also a diverse group of people. You and you ilk do this, because of your innate racism.

Eyicozcacuauhtliozomatli
Eyicozcacuauhtliozomatli

thank you for the laugh, i warned you about reading history on the internet. montezuma is not an actual person, any book would have his name correct, moctezuma or motecuhzoma (dialectical differences). and please actually read the book you are claiming to have read. i have spent the last fifteen years of my life reading history. genocide, it amazes me that the descendants of the most genocidal people on this continent have the audacity to use that word. when my ancestors fought with another city it was an exchange in honor and education that later took place. not the perpetual slavery and domination of another city. you are a vile a hate filled terrorist as you white supremacists are so found of labeling people

Bobby
Bobby

You're the racist.

bobbyluvschicagoracists
bobbyluvschicagoracists

I see Bobby and Chicagonut the bigoted trolls have returned even though they said the were gone for good..?

What prompted this..? Sonoran Alliance lies have gotten you bored..?

No-on listening to you over there anymore..?

The fact both of you trailer park racist, still keep returning is evident you have a problem with the Hispanic Community, and for that matter the native American Community as well..?

These US Citizens who wish to keep their true ethic studies not the European one that we are forced to learn..? ...and have learned to use their first amendment rights of protesting to attacks of racism only on their community, shows your true agendas as well Booby and chicagonut..

You both are as racist as they come, yet you never admit it..? Hmm..? Why is that..? What is your real issue with the Latino population..? Many of these citizens who were protesting have Degrees, and have served in the US Military.., yet you have a problem with them..

Bobby
Bobby

Just wondering, what kind of Supremacist would you like to be called. Red, Brown,......

Bobby
Bobby

So the priest at Cortez's side five-hundred years ago, was delusional about what he witnessed?

Eyicozcacuauhtliozomatli
Eyicozcacuauhtliozomatli

i was almost sad to see that you two white supremacists might not respond. the numbers i cite are lies because of what, that it wasnt done intentionally???????. it is recorded by the hands of the european invaders across the planet. please stop believing what you read on the internet it will rot your white supremacist minds into a jared loughner style frenzy. and to chicago nut if you ensist on encouraging and protecting a genocidal white nation than by the exact definition you are a white supremacist. so after years of rape and the white supremacist ideals in power, you would conclude that it was a mutual mating process. maybe you should look up the stockholm syndrome. and back to you bobby every people on the planet had wars, yes very true killing has happenend all over the planet. the european invaders of this continent took it to massive proportions. from 1492 forward until the early 1900's their was open war on any native population that was living on a land that a european squatter might want. then came the indian schools and legal racism. if you cant acknowledge those simple truths then yes i declare you a white supremacist.

Bobby
Bobby

I gave him my response, right out of his history. Read it!

Rosa Valencia Sanchez
Rosa Valencia Sanchez

Brother he has no response as you can clearly see. I would be surprised if he even qualifies for a G.E.D.

Bobby
Bobby

By the way sir,speaking of genocide, lets take a leaf from the Priests diary that was on the scene with Montezuma and Cortez, shall we.

Everyday, at the Emperor Montezuma's dinner table there was also a large dish of human parts. Hands, fingers, toes, etc. The Aztecs commited genocide on millions of more gentle Indian tribes, didn't they? Now, should we continue this topic?

Bobby
Bobby

By the way, I'll just call you Eye. Since you have so little respect for my culture, etc. I will treat you the same.

Bobby
Bobby

The Indian populations needed no help in how to kill. They had been killing each other for years. I suggest you read some of this information, so little covered on regular media. But we have the internet now, don't we. The numbers you cite are lies, because if disease killed Indians, it wasn't done intentionally. The communist leftist lie about small pox in blankets is just that, lies. The disease theory of germs was not know at the time you cite. Try your propaganda on someone less well-informed.

Bobby
Bobby

Why are classes devalued when turned into electives? That's absurd. There are hundreds of elective classes in colleges that are more valuable than some required. If education of an individual is th goal, which I assume it is in Arizona as elsewhere, than people who want to be educated will educate themselves. It doesn't take special classes or government "guidelines. None of these things were the concern of the giants in science, or the arts. You are brainwashed by a system that is concerned about government control and not education, and yes, that is what the left is about, much more than conservatives.

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