Jan Brewer and Tom Horne's Silly Rebuttal To the Ninth Circuit

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Horne, born in Canada to Nazi-fleeing parents, knows better...or should

Governor Jan Brewer and Arizona Attorney General Tom Horne have issued a joint press release denouncing the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals' 2-1 decision today upholding District Court Judge Susan R. Bolton's injunction of four key parts of Arizona's "breathing-while-brown-law," Senate Bill 1070.

You can read the entire release, here. However, the statements in it are so ludicrous and, at points, so downright dumb, that Attorney General Horne may want to ask for his money back on his Harvard education and law degree.

Since we all know Brewer has the IQ of a bag of bricks, her clueless blatherings are to be expected, even when written by others, as must always be the case with someone who appears to be a functional illiterate.

Horne, however, is a different story. A former Democrat, Horne is Canadian-born and is the offspring of parents who fled the Nazis. I know he knows better, but he obviously feels he must cop the hard-right nativist line to remain in the local GOP's good graces. What other explanation is there for Horne's stance on 1070 or his crusade to eliminate ethnic studies in Arizona's public schools?

In other words, I don't buy it that he's a true-believer, along the lines of state Senate President Russell Pearce.

In any case, the release states that in the days ahead, Brewer, Horne and Brewer's pricey legal beagles at Snell and Wilmer will be "considering their options," such as an appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court, or a review by the entire Ninth Circuit, rather than just the three judges who ruled today.

The rest of the release is chock full of inaccurate and ridiculous statements, so I'll run down why they're so risible right here:

1) "I note that the 9th Circuit relied heavily on the opposition of foreign governments in upholding the injunction on two of the four elements," said Attorney General Horne. "As the dissent by Judge Carlos T. Bea eloquently stated, foreign governments should not be given a 'heckler's veto' to establish preemption by the federal government over the state."

Nice try, Tom. Bea did make the point about the "heckler's veto," but Bea also agreed with the majority in upholding the injunction against sections of SB 1070 dealing with day-laborers and making it a state crime for legal aliens not to have their "papers" on them at all times. There is federal statute already on the legal aliens and their papers, but the federal government has the ultimate say in how it is enforced.

Regarding the "heckler's veto," Judge Richard Paez, writing for the majority, was using the example of the opposition of some foreign governments to SB 1070 as evidence that the law had already had a deleterious effect on U.S. foreign relations. In part, the government had to prove there was a likelihood of "more than incidental effect."

As there has already has been a negative effect on U.S. relations with other countries, this fact weighed toward preemption of the state law. This was not the sole reason the Ninth let the injunction stand. But Horne and Brewer are emphasizing it because it makes a nice talking point for their side.

2) "It is outrageous that the Ninth Circuit Court would grant foreign nations the de facto right to veto the duly-enacted laws of a sovereign state of the United States," said Governor Brewer. "Judge Bea was correct in his dissent when he wrote that 'a foreign nation may not cause a state law to be pre-empted simply by complaining about the law's effects on foreign nations.' Today's decision is internationalism run amok that ranks right up there with the U.S. State Department's decision to refer S.B. 1070 to the United Nations Human Rights Council."

So does Brewer agree with Bea when he concludes that the majority is correct in upholding the injunction against the two sections mentioned above?

Moreover, you'd have to ignore all 48 pages of the majority decision to conclude that foreign nations have caused SB 1070 to be preempted "simply by complaining about the law's effects."

The majority answers Bea's assertion by stating,

"As a preliminary matter, we disagree with the dissent's characterization of our opinion, as we do not conclude that a foreign government's complaints alone require preemption. Our consideration of this evidence is consistent with the Supreme Court's concern that we not disregard or minimize the importance of such evidence."

As to Brewer's shibboleth about "the U.S. State Department's decision to refer S.B. 1070 to the United Nations Human Rights Council," this is pure bunk, the sort of loony conspiracy nonsense we saw with the so-called "truthers" who believed the 9/11 attacks were an "inside job."

SB 1070 was not "referred" to the U.N. Human Rights Council. Rather the controversy over the law was mentioned in passing in the U.S.'s Universal Periodic Review before the Human Rights Council, a process in which all member nations participate.

Here is the statement in the U.S.'s report that idiot Brewer regards as "internationalism run amok" (assuming she can even pronounce the word "internationalism"):

"A recent Arizona law, S.B. 1070, has generated significant attention and debate at home and around the world. The issue is being addressed in a court action that argues that the federal government has the authority to set and enforce immigration law. That action is ongoing; parts of the law are currently enjoined."

Really "outrageous" stuff, eh? Right up there with FDR at Yalta...

3) Attorney General Horne noted that these sections of SB 1070 either mirror federal law or comport with earlier Ninth Circuit Court decisions. Horne stated: "I believe the Ninth Circuit decision will be overturned by the United States Supreme Court, and I pledge to make every possible effort to achieve that result."

Here's another canard, that SB 1070 simply "mirrors" federal law. Um, no.

Federal law does not require local cops to inquire after immigration status. It does not force local law enforcement agencies to enforce federal immigration law to the fullest extent possible, upon pain of citizen lawsuits. It does not bar day-laborers from soliciting, thereby "criminalizing" work. It does not seek state penalties for violations of federal law. And so on.

4) Brewer's also quoted as saying, "For decades, the federal government has neglected its constitutional duty to American citizens by failing to secure the border. States like Arizona have borne the brunt of that failure. We see the impacts in our border areas, where Arizona ranchers live day and night with human-traffickers crossing their lands. We see it in our neighborhoods and communities, where drop houses and drug-runners have become a staple of the evening news."

Yep, there sure is illegal immigration coming through the Arizona corridor. And human trafficking and drug running are bad. We can all agree on this.

However, the U.S.-Mexico border is far more secure than, say, our northern border with Canada. Which one do you think is easier for al-Qaeda operatives to cross, assuming they don't just buy airline tickets like they did last time?

As for a spike in crime, the numbers don't support it.

Crime has been trending down in Arizona for several years now. Comparing 2008's numbers to 2009's, there was a 14 percent decline in violent crime in Arizona, and that was long before SB 1070 was enacted. This, according to that pinko-liberal outlet the FBI.

Crime is also down on the border, in Sheriff Paul Babeu's Pinal County, and across the board. All the nativists (and the politicians catering to them) can do to whip up fear of brown people is to point to anecdotal incidents, a classic and, unfortunately, very effective logical fallacy.

At what point will the politicians' prevarications subside? I mean, isn't anyone besides me tired of this ongoing, annoying tsunami of hateful rhetoric and half-truths in regard to immigration?

Eventually, Arizona's electorate is bound to wake up and realize that they've been ill-served by the opportunists in power now. At least (sigh), that's the day I wait for...


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Bobunf
Bobunf

To quote Daryl Williams, a commercial trial lawyer in Phoenix, who has been practicing law since graduating cum laude from Brigham Young University in 1976. His BYU undergraduate degree, with honors, is in economics. His practice has been limited to business and commercial matters, including trying some of the most complicated and lengthiest trials in Arizona’s history, such as the $577 million-dollar failure of the Baptist Foundation of Arizona.

"The economic incentives that drive immigration conflict with the laws designed to regulate it. Fighting economic forces in a market economy like the United States is an uphill if not impossible task. If the market is creating this sort of demand there is a benefit to the market when it is fulfilled: we are better off. One must not believe in the free-enterprise/market-economy system to think otherwise.

"The overriding impact of immigrants is to strengthen and enrich American culture, increase the total output of the economy, and raise the standard of living of American citizens. Immigrants are advantageous to the United States for several reasons: (1) Since they are willing to take a chance in a new land, they are self-selected on the basis of motivation, risk taking, work ethic, and other attributes beneficial to a nation. (2) They tend to come to the United States during their prime working years (the average age is 28), and they contribute to the workforce and make huge net contributions to old-age entitlement programs, primarily Social Security. (3) Immigrants tend to fill niches in the labor market where demand is highest relative to supply, complementing rather than directly competing with American workers. (4) Many immigrants arrive with extremely high skill levels, and virtually all, regardless of skill level, bring a strong desire to work. (5) Their children tend to reach high levels of achievement in American schools and in society at large."

Rob
Rob

My son's high school (Estrella Foothills, in BUHSD) spent the better part of Monday/Tuesday calling students in to rework next years class schedules. Seems due to the new budget they are forced to drop close to 40% of their current classes. This includes cutting back several "core" subjects and increasing the class size. And these are classes that already have 28+ students in them.

What does this have to do with the subject? It is heartening to see that Brewer and FORMER Sup of Education Horne feel that illegal immigration is such an important issue that we can afford to continue with legislation that will be challenged legally, regardless of the cost to taxpayers. And that we can afford to cut education (oh, but with as "little damage as possible", right Jan?) while increasing corrections budgets as well (no doubt, aimed at illegal immigrants). It's ok to spend untold millions of $'s writing and defending racist legislation, cut corporate taxes by $600M and increase prison funding all the while cutting education.

To that end, they will achieve their goal of a state filled with Britannicus' and usgovfail's. Screw education, let's go after brown skinned people.

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The illegal Alien
The illegal Alien

She forgot to mention the drug users, most of them American citizens (anglos).If there is no demand for such product, no offer, that's it.Same thing with weapons, mostly going to Mexico from USA.

The problem is in USA."The good judge starts in his own house first"

Brewer's also quoted as saying, "For decades, the federal government has neglected its constitutional duty to American citizens by failing to secure the border. States like Arizona have borne the brunt of that failure. We see the impacts in our border areas, where Arizona ranchers live day and night with human-traffickers crossing their lands. We see it in our neighborhoods and communities, where drop houses and drug-runners have become a staple of the evening news."

Guest
Guest

So Jan Brewer's counterargument is stop listening to Mexico?

In other unrelated news, Gov. Jan Brewer had butt enhancement surgery--ON HER FACE!! ROTFLMAO

Usgovfail
Usgovfail

Come to the USA legally, or do not come at all. Fucking leeches. And use a fucking rubber for christs sake, taxpaying citizens are tired of paying for your crotch droppling anchor babies.

Usgovfail
Usgovfail

What don't you racist fuckheads understand about illegal is a crime? If you brown stains would just come here legally then none of this would be a problem. United States of America is a land of laws. We have immigration laws like every other fucking country/nation on this planet. Why is it ok for mexico to enforce their immigration laws and put up a wall to keep the trash out from Guatamala but the USA can't enforce their border laws and put up a wall to keep the trash out from mexico? Because you brown stains are hypocritical assholes. Mexico sucks balls, anyone who has recently traveled there and been a victim of their federalies steling their money, laptops, jewelry and other person possessions knows what a shithole mexico is and understands why we are trying to secure our borders. You cowards lost this land once before, you will lose this war again. Go back to your third world shithole and come back LEGALLY. Wait your turn in line like a normal respectful human being. Illegal is not a race, it is a crime. VIVA SB1070!

Dave Francis
Dave Francis

CITIZENS! IT'S INCOMPREHENSIBLE THAT TRAITORS IN OUR COUNTRY, WOULD PLACE A FOREIGN COUNTRIES RIGHTS FIRST? THIS IS A VIOLATION OF OUR SOVEREIGNTY RIGHTS, BY THE ACTIVIST JUDGES OF THE 9TH CIRCUIT COURT

Very few State lawmakers understand the massive financial implications, for not serving the wishes of citizens and legal residents. Utah specifically is a relatively newcomer to the economic effects of illegal immigration as it’s not a frontier State. Thousands of economic illegal migrants and immigrants, who have already exhausted millions of dollars from the suffering State of Arizona, will be looking desperately for another State to drain. The Mormon State has essentially failed its population, with offering a unconstitutional Guest Worker program and other benefits, will soon learn their mistake as foreigners will sweep across the State line.

A repeat performance as in the Sanctuary States of California and Nevada, the schools will be swarmed by the progeny of illegal aliens and US children will get less attention from overtaxed teachers. The Utah school system will have to hire more bilingual teachers, demanding more money from taxpayers. Court procedure will need more interpreters, as the criminal aliens arrive to decimate the State. The hospitals will be raided next with minor afflictions and major illnesses, as the illegal Guest workers will inundate emergency rooms and their uninsured family members. Illegal females tend to have large clutches of newborns, with one to be conceived; to be paid for by hard working Americans. It's a fact that the majority of businesses that hire guest workers pay nothing towards their health care or the young children's education. Georgia on the other hand obviously convinced of the perils of giving into open border lobbyists and radical groups will inspire other States to enact harsher laws.

Although most harsh Georgia laws were sucked dry by, pro business interference, causing uproar amongst citizens and residence, specifically as they tried to hide their cowardice by unrecorded vote. All of these politicians that “ on the take” will be intently remembered, when they come-up for re-election Massachusetts although not fully enacting laws similar to Arizona has brought some saneness to its people. THE UNITED STATES HAVING BEEN INVADED BY ILLEGALS, WITH THOSE IN POWER HAVING IGNORED THE FINANCIAL CONSEQUENCES IN OUR FUTURE; NOR HAS IT SLOWED? American citizens and residents must impose a mandatory E-Verify Nationwide, to enforce attrition and stop this immigration travesty. We must throw out all the conspirators who are in collusion with Mexico's President Calderon, including the 9th Circuit Court or any other potentate who uses the United States as a pressure valve from their degrading mismanagement and corruption, by exporting their desperate and poverty to our country. Also be aware illegal aliens are voting in our elections, but are not being sentenced to prison for this fraud and a danger to our slipping democracy.

What most prudent people are asking is why do foreign corrupt governments have a right to interfere in American immigration politics? This is according to the 9th circuit hidden away in the Liberal-Democratic Sanctuary City of San Francisco, where the prosecutors released illegal alien gang-member Ramos, to slaughter a family of three leaving a mourning Mother?

The United States is sinking deeper into fiscal quicksand, with a 14 trillion dollar deficit and climbing ever faster. We cannot afford to sustain the rest of poverty stricken governments, who dump their indigent people in our laps. We must cut back on foreign aid stop policing the rest of the world. The wars in the Middle East are depleting our own people's welfare, the futures for our own grandchildren.

The war is at our open borders and we must halt the smuggling of drugs, people and criminals that are killing innocent Americans wholesale, nationwide. This country is importing contagious diseases, which have spread quietly and not uttered by the government; but carefully concealed. Other States has signed on to federal law of Secure Communities to fingerprint and remove criminal aliens from their jurisdictions Arizona is steadfast in its immigration policing laws and although dealt a blow by the Liberal judges in the ninth circuit court of appeals is resolute on its journey to the Supreme court, to defend its constitutional rights of its populace. Our only chance for survival is the growing extension of the TEA PARTY, as it moves apart from the Republican elites. The Tea Party is ready to face the battle lines being drawn in the forthcoming 2012 budget war. Join now and be part of the sane movement, to end the facade that is the illegal immigration occupation of our country. Find the facts not lies at the pro-sovereignty web pages of NumbersUSA. In addition the TEA PARTY will abruptly end special no-tax privileges to corporations like General Electric.

Thousands of corporations are using foreign havens to hide millions, perhaps billions of dollars in foreign countries, thanks to the tax breaks given to these entities by political parties, from lobbyists filtering secret brown-bag cash and large campaign contributions. We need more leaders like Sen. Rand Paul, Rep. Michele Bachmann, Rep. Anthony Weiner with the fury to do the right things for this ailing country. Cut out illegal immigration and we will save hundreds of billions in federal and State entitlements. While Americans get ready to file these tax returns, shareholders in these mega corporations receive benefits the average man can only imagine. We must stop this rot in the tax code and every corporation; business must pay its fair share. Remember the TEA PARTY is your revenge on the unfair laws that govern us. They are the only retribution we have against the rot in our own government.

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XSoldier
XSoldier

"Horne, however, is a different story. A former Democrat, Horne is Canadian-born and is the offspring of parents who fled the Nazis."

You mean his parents fled from the Flaccid Fool of MCSO and his SS goon squads?

"Since we all know Brewer has the IQ of a bag of bricks, her clueless blatherings are to be expected, even when written by others, as must always be the case with someone who appears to be a functional illiterate."

Sounds just like the MCSO shurf and his good buddy Sheriff Paul Buffoon over in Pinal County.

"In other words, I don't buy it that he's a true-believer, along the lines of state Senate President Russell Pearce."

The voters elected him to get rid of the useless criminals known as illegal Mexicans in this state. Even Rotellini conceded that she'd be obligated to enforce 1070 had she been elected.

"Crime is also down on the border, in Sheriff Paul Babeu's Pinal County, and across the board. All the nativists (and the politicians catering to them) can do to whip up fear of brown people is to point to anecdotal incidents, a classic and, unfortunately, very effective logical fallacy."

The illegals are nothing but criminals who steal our jobs, kill our police, contaminate our food, steal money from their employers, the state and the federal government, etc. I say we have good reason to whip up fear of brown people. Mr. Lemons would have you dumbshits falsely believing that there is an ongoing nativist war against illegals. Sounds to me like Mr. Lemons is not a true Southerner, as he himself proclaims. You ARE from North Carolina, right Mr. Lemons?

"Really "outrageous" stuff, eh? Right up there with FDR at Yalta..."

FDR was trying to end World War II with Yalta. He teamed up with British Prime Minister Winston Churchill and Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin to end Adolf's iron-fisted rule in Europe. It worked.

At least (sigh), that's the day I wait for...

When Congress and the president becomes like boa constrictors on the illegals and makes illegal immigration tougher while reforming and enhancing current immigration laws to allow some immigrants in, that will be the day the country is one with immigrants.

Let's round up the detrimental illegals and put their sorry, useless brown asses to work securing the border!

Gerry_C
Gerry_C

"At what point will the politicians' prevarications subside? I mean, isn't anyone besides me tired of this ongoing, annoying tsunami of hateful rhetoric and half-truths in regard to immigration?"

The above statement gets into my largest philosophical problem with the whole immigration enforcement issue. The information used by Pearce, AARPaio, Thomas, Horne, Brewer, Babeu, and others has no traceable basis in fact or data. When asked the 'provider' can NEVER provide backup for their statements. Vapor is not a fact nor a good place to get statistics. Therefore, I conclude that we are laying out solutions without a full understanding of the problem. Are the solutions (legislative pieces) actually targeted at the right problems and at the right locations? With scarce resources, would not we want our money and efforts against illegal immigration focused on verifiable problems that are at least loosely supported by information? If crime is down, this is a historic opportunity to target immigration issues if resources are intelligently deployed as dictated by an understanding of the problems to solve. Illegal immigration is a big problem, but we are not solving it. We are whipping up lynch mobs based on dreamed-up information.

Let's get real and be honest, then work to solve problems that actually exist.

Senator Kyl got caught with his Planned Parenthood statements that were so opposite from fact it made me wonder if he was retiring because of Alzheimer's. I thought I was listening to Pearce or to Brewer saying what Pearce told her to say.

Nweng
Nweng

Arizona had the chance to put elect an experienced trial lawyer as State AG, instead they voted in a paper pushing school administrator who yelled "illegal immigration" and whose track record as schools superintendent should have been the first clue why he wasn't qualified for his current position.

Gerry_C
Gerry_C

"Since we all know Brewer has the IQ of a bag of bricks..."

Stephen, let's get on board with some facts. The above statement is an exaggeration about GED Jan that rivals some of Babeu's statements. My bricks have never been so offended.

If you have not, take a look at Jan Brewer on Greta yesterday 4-11-2011. She further proves that our voters are just bags of bricks for electing her.

wtf
wtf

what else can we expect when we have the most stupid voters in the country who vote based only on one issue.

GENO
GENO

That leatherface Gov. Klan Brewer, indeed does sound alot like a dastardly old nativist than we're used. Using such words like "sovereign" and "the federal gubermint". Everyone is just laughing their asses off at her.

As for Tom being an "idiot", according to the Feathered Bastard. His mug above is enough to prove that the Bastard is right about Tom. I have no doubt that those 2 idiots will be taking cheap shots at the Feds and the Courts, by using the Judges words against them. By means of instilling fear in the masses of simpletons who voted for those hacks. They will try using fear tactics under the false pretenses of "foreigh gubermints". But I think their plan will eventually backfire in their faces.

So let the games begin.

Coz
Coz

What a goofy looking fucker Horne is.

concerned"american"citizen
concerned"american"citizen

Type your comment here.Well I can say this much I am so fucking tired of all this freaking fucking morons..Wake up ARIZONa what the fuck is our problem putting up with all this assholes from GED Jan to FAt Slob Pearce to Freaking bulb nose Arpaio..Seriously lets take this State back they have us all here the people in a "puppet" like trance..They do whatever the fuck they want yet when their families break the fucking laws it doesn't apply to them..Really? Are we going to continue letting this happen...Lets start a movement look at all the money they have cost us and will continue costing us..We need jobs not fear from people afraid to move to our State..Companies are not even bidding to open up companies here because of all the negativity..PEOPLE the time is now...We need to do something before this state becomes a ghost town..Brewer will make sure everyones kids get thrown in Jail( cus she benefits from CCA contracts) of course except her Rapist son, her son is a fucking rapist . Pearce and his poor excuse of a Son the "baby" skull abuser thinks the law doesn't apply to them...Enough is enough when will it stop..Why do we continue electing people like this..Are we that dumb that we dont see all the wrong they do..FUcking WAke up AZ..They exagerrate every story so that people will fear and be afraid and vote for them..What has Pearce really done for our state..How much does he owe the Fiesta Bowl why doesnt he talk about that...WE NEed To REally wake up fast..BREWER,PEARCE and ARPAIO you will all burn in HELL GOD IS WATChing you..I will SPit on your graves the day YOU all Fuckers DIE!!!! FUcking pooor excuses for human beings your not American your all a bunch of freaking sick inhuman beings..

Tommy Collins
Tommy Collins

Rob, I think you forgot to mention that Mrs. Brewer is also hoping to build a wall at state taxpayer's expense since the federal government has stopped such action. Seems our esteemed legislators feel a wall is more important than educating our future.

LOUIS XIII
LOUIS XIII

Yes and we are tired of paying for your inbreed touch of down syndrome kids too ! Stop having kids you can't pay for ! Because a whole lot of white people don't want to work ! They just want to hang out at the trailer park and do meth all day and get welfare and food stamps ! U FAIL FOOL !!!

The illegal Alien
The illegal Alien

So sad to read a "person" like you...I can't just imagine what kind of kids (sons or daughters) you have, they will be full of hate for others just like you or even worst

Kit Carson
Kit Carson

It's good that fail is in your name, because you have earned it once again. What don't you understand about the fact that very few "illegals" have actually violated the US Criminal Code?

Illegal Alien is not a term recognized in any court room. It is a made up word used because it helps dupe rubes like you into thinking illegals are criminals.

If you don't understand this nuance, then you don't belong in this debate.

LOUIS XIII
LOUIS XIII

Your poor white trashy ass is too fucking poor to travel anywhere !!!! Have you notice it is always a poor motherfucker talking shit ????U FAIL FOOL !!!!!!!

mikefrombisbee
mikefrombisbee

Oh - I'm sorry - it's not Glenn Beck you get your jollies in front of. It's the scene in "Deliverance" where the inbred cracker says "Boy, we gonna make you squeal like a pig."

mikefrombisbee
mikefrombisbee

So just what have YOU done in your lifetime to earn the claim of super-patriot and judge of others? Come on, big mouth, put up or go back to playing with yourself while watching Glenn Beck.

teobuneo
teobuneo

You chickenshit, you've never even been brave enough to cross the border. We know your just a treasonous little prick who hates the US, wants the government to fail, you've got it plastered on every message of hate you write. So suddenly now your all upset over Mexicans forced out of their country who trek over hundreds of miles of rugged desert to escape the poverty the US caused with NAFTA and cross the border seeking work to feed their families. You are just a hate filled fool. Those misdemeanor law breakers make you look exactly like the pile of dog shit you demonstrate yourself to be everytime you post one of your disgusting racist rants. They are some of the best of the best in the world while you regularly show us your treasonous hatred for your own country and your mindless hatred for anyone who is not just like you, a timid little mouse who roars his anger and frustration because you've failed at everything you've ever attempted. Fuck you racist Loser!

XSoldier
XSoldier

Did you see that the Peach State (Georgia) passed a SB1070-style law? Good for them!

teobuneo
teobuneo

Oh, go fuck yourself Brittanipussy! Your nothing more than a scared little rabbit with rabies. This country will be a better place when your sorry ass is kicked out or locked the fuck up Your foaming at the mouth racist hate is disgusting!

Docbob498th
Docbob498th

AND MAKE SURE TO WATCH OUT FOR THEM THAR BLACK HELICOPTERS.

XSoldier
XSoldier

I say round up the illegals and put their useless, sorry brown asses to work securing the border. Imagine 12 million illegals building a great wall, and then using them to secure the border. We'd have no reason to call up the National Guard, we'd save money on U.S. Border Patrol, we'd save tens of thousands of dollars in jailing, housing, feeding, clothing, and healthcare for the illegals. Hospitals would save tens of millions of dollars by refusing to treat the illegals. The state could actually hire people with skillsand talent versus who is cheaper. It seems to me that you get what I'm saying.

teobuneo
teobuneo

Oh but you are boychick. You are repeating the total lies of the racists at FAIR. It's all a pile of horse shit. If you really were in the military they had to have taught you how to reason and think logically even if you didn't learn it in high school. Use that brain and stop mindlessly repeating the lies spewed by these racist fucking morons.You make yourself into a total loser when you join those worthless assholes mindlessly denigrating illegals.

Political Strife
Political Strife

wow! are you delusional or something? perhaps the severity of PTSD kicking in? I haven't seen you this incohorent and woeful irrational. or is this a poor attempt at sarcasm on your part? whatever it is, your not making much sense.

Kit Carson
Kit Carson

Good stuff. Well said!

>With scarce resources, would not we want our money and efforts against illegal immigration focused on verifiable problems that are at least loosely supported by information?

Ding-ding, we have a winner.

We bitch about the cost of illegal immigration without considering that a considerable percentage of that cost comes from enforcement. The Bush administration researchers found that as individuals, illegals give more to the US coffers than they get. The money we lose is not going into the pocket of the illegal, it is in all the things we do policing them.

I support secure borders. I support the Obama administration doubling our border patrol budget, especially in light of how the republicans under cut those officers when they controlled the White House. However, in a time of fiscal constraint, we need to properly triage our objectives and then work to ensure our tactics support our strategy.

I don't mind spending the money, I mind wasting it on programs designed more to get politicians re-elected and less on making safe our communities.

Coz
Coz

Just further proves how stupid Arizona voters really are.

Gerry_C
Gerry_C

Tom is an idiot, but I am glad we have him instead of Thomas. I believe we would have been far better with Felicia in that position even though she is from the Dem party.

Usgovfail
Usgovfail

Not anymore goofy than a 5 foot tall 300 lbs mexican with gang tattoos all over his face.

AdvocateMom
AdvocateMom

All that's missing is his Clown suit, lol!

Usgovfail
Usgovfail

Fuck off loser, please kill yourself.

XSoldier
XSoldier

Isn't that racketeering? Maybe Candy Ass Thomas can help us explain.....

Rob
Rob

Your right Tommy, my apologies.

But then, there's also the militia she tried to form and countless other items she's supported that would be money better spent.

And, of course, there's another headline in today's Republic....about more tax breaks that our lovely R's are willing to give away in hopes of attracting more big business...

They're really clueless....they cut the shit out of education, dump money into prisons and an overblown illegal immigrant problem...then beg business' to come here. Where will the workers come from? On loan from the prisons?

Not surprised
Not surprised

Look up the New Times articles on Josh Pearce and you'll get a good picture of this kind of offspring.

XSoldier
XSoldier

What, exactly, do you know, teobueno? Have YOU ever crossed the border?

XSoldier
XSoldier

Brittanicus doesn't hate, he just wants, along with Usgovfail, to see American immigration laws applied fairly and equally to those who are here illegally. The majority of those people happen to be Mexicans with brown colored skin.

Round up teobueno, shackle him, and put his sorry brown ass to work securing the border. Now.

XSoldier
XSoldier

Actually, numbnuts, I am not repeating the "total lies of the racists at FAIR." I strongly believe in legal immigration and have absolutely no problems with Mexicans or Hispanics. What I have a problem with is useless illegals. I'm sorry they have no future in Mexico, but they also have no future here, either. Especially as a criminal.

Yes I really was in the military. Just wait until the feds ship your ass over to Afghanistan, where any Afghan civilian could work for Al-Qaida or the Taliban and your commander orders you to kill them because they may belong to a purported terrorist organization.

What lies? The president himself has stated that he cannot and will not cease going after illegals. Look, for example, at the DREAM Act. It was introduced in 2001, and 10 years later, it STILL has not passed Congress.

I find it rather interesting that you support criminal undocumented immigrants while decrying the abuses over at 4th Avenue Jail or Durango. I don't make myself "into a loser" for not supporting the useless criminal illegals.

Mr. Lemons has you believing---falsely---that Senator Pearce is "the most powerful man in the state." All he has authority to do is assign bills to committees. He can still author, sponsor, and back legislation, and he may try to persuade his caucus into supporting the legislation. It's Governor Jan Brewer who is the most powerful person in this state. She can sign the bills, let them become law even without her signature, or veto the bills.

I think you are mentally sick and need to be institutionalized. Now.

XSoldier
XSoldier

No I'm not delusional, unlike Candy Ass Thomas.

"Perhaps the severity of PTSD kicking in?"

Now why would I have PTSD? I don't feel sympathy towards the criminal illegals? I don't have pity towards them? I don't feel sorry for them?

I happen to agree with Republicans that we need a more secure U.S.-Mexico border. I also agree with Republicans that the DREAM Act will never pass. Even the President, a Democrat, refuses to halt deportations of illegals, and the roundups of illegals are even higher under him, so I really have no idea why you are calling me delusional. It seems that both political parties hear what the people are saying, and that is to rid us of the illegals.

The illegals commit crimes when they sneak into the U.S. and as a result, people like you can't get a job, while the illegals can get jobs.

We need to be like boa constrictors on the illegals. I don't have a problem with Mexicans immigrating here, but they need to do it LEGALLY!

Coz
Coz

No kidding

Johnny White Man
Johnny White Man

RAOFLMAO!That is a good one! I like that! He's got that big grin from to ear to ear, to make children smile. Like arpaio, NT should also have a KKKlown picture of mr. Horns.

mikefrombisbee
mikefrombisbee

IFyou really WERE a soldier you were a sorry excuse of one. You defile everything this nation has stood for. You are a negative image. A nothing-burger. You are no better than Timothy McVeigh. Crawl back under your rock or grow some stones and brains and rejoin the human race and seek professional help. At present you are merely boring and obnoxious - flatulence connected to a keyboard. How pitiful.

Kit Carson
Kit Carson

Dude - you kill any chance when you keep up the "criminal" this and that. Anyone who is a serious reader on this issue knows that most "illegal" aliens are not in violation of the US criminal code. They have breached civil regulations, which is why the term "illegal alien" is not a term recognized at law. The proper, legal, technical, in-the-know, not-pc-just-the-facts term is undocumented.

Heck, don't take my word, go read the 9th Circuits recent decision on SB 1070. It's all there for you.

So long as you spout off about criminals, we all are going to know you're full of shit and just speaking from a position of hate or ignorance. Now that you've been enlightened, you can not longer claim ignorance, so future posts must be from a hate-filled mind, no?

Kit Carson
Kit Carson

Agreeing with the Republicans that the Dream Act will never pass is not the same as saying you agree the Dream Act should not pass.

It's like agreeing with a terrorist that terror will strike at us again - it's more a truism than an analysis.

Democrats favor secure borders. We just want to behave with compassion. The Dream Act is not amnesty. It is not a safe haven for criminals. It is a way for people who were not responsible for their "illegal" status, and from whom the US can extract great value, to find a way to prove/ earn US citizenship. Dream Act applicants would have to go to the "back of the line" when seeking citizenship, thereby not displacing any now-existing or then-existing applicants.

In other words - the Dream Act makes possible what you claim to desire: lawful immigration.

NB: virtually all deportations are considered civil, not criminal. Most "illegal" aliens have actually committed no crime, even in coming to the US. If you don't understand this point, I can post a more detailed response.

Given this, what would you do with a now 18-year-old high school valedictorian who unwittingly was brought to the United States when just three years old? That person's entire world is here. That person can make a great contribution to our country. Shame on the parents all you want, it is positively immoral (and for me, un-Christian) to hold the child accountable for the sins of the father.

The Dream Act provides a way for America to keep the best of the undocumented while affording those who truly love America and are willing to make sacrifices for her a way to stay here.

What is there to oppose?

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