Russell Pearce's Comeuppance? Don't Count Him Out Just Yet

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The Killer Shark of the Senate, always on the attack

They're practically singing hosannas in the streets, the pro-immigration folks, or just those who'd like to see an end to Arizona's tsunami of hate. This, over the defeat of five anti-immigrant bills on the state Senate floor yesterday, including Senate President Russell Pearce's "immigration omnibus" Senate Bill 1611, and the dual efforts to undermine birthright citizenship, Senate Bills 1308 and 1309.

As cynical as I tend to be, I agree that it is a victory. Pearce was handed his lunch pail Thursday. Think of it, he commands an overwhelming majority, usually with an iron claw. With only nine Democrats to his 21 Republicans. Pearce should be able to pass blank strips of paper, if he wanted. 

But a pack of seven to ten tuskers went rogue on the bills, bucking the most powerful man in the state by voting down the anti-"anchor baby" legislation and 1611 as well as proposals to turn school and hospital workers into de facto ICE agents. (Not all of those Rs voted no on all five bills, hence the seven-to-ten range.)

For the most part, they were not motivated by concern for the plight of Latinos in this state. Oh, no. It was all about money, and the fact that the Arizona Chamber of Commerce and Industry was outspoken in its opposition to all of this legislation. 

Last year, the Chamber was neutral on Senate Bill 1070, and it was blindsided by a boycott that negatively impacted its members and the state as a whole. On the Chamber's Web site, Chamber president Glenn Hamer offered this gruesome metaphor for the "wreck" of 1070:

When I was a sophomore in high school, my driver's education teacher was a big believer in the "scared straight" method of preparing teenagers to get behind the wheel. He made it a point to show his classes accident scene photos to drill into our young brains the gravity of the responsibility of operating a motor vehicle.

My teacher would show us a photo full of mangled metal and broken glass and say, referring to the victims, "This accident wasn't their fault." And then after a dramatic pause he'd say, "And guess what: They're still dead."

Hamer sees the "victims" as Arizona's businesses, impacted by the crash and burn of the boycott of Arizona over 1070. His first concern is not for the undocumented, but rather that bigotry is bad for business.

Ditto the Greater Phoenix Chamber of Commerce, which weighed in with a letter from muck-a-mucks heading up such heavy hitting businesses as US Airways and Cox Communications

"It is an undeniable fact that each of our companies and our employees were impacted by the boycotts and the coincident negative image," the letter stated, in an effort to wean legislators off Pearce's anti-immigrant Kool-Aid.

It's important to note that if groups such as the Phoenix civil rights group Puente, the California-based National Day Laborer Organizing Network, and other such groups across the nation had not championed the Arizona boycott, the business community would not have been as steadfast as they've been on these current bills. 

In other words, the boycott hurt Arizona businesses, big and small, and those businesses reacted by jumping up and down when Pearce went back on his promise to put immigration on the backburner and focus on the economy.

Ultimately, this pressure from the business community worked, along with promises made, undoubtedly, for monetary help to those Republicans who may face a primary opponent hand-picked by Pearce.

That's Pearce's big stick -- the threat that he'll recruit a "Tea Party" alternative to battle a recalcitrant GOPer in a primary. And that threat, potentially, could still turn things around. If a motion to reconsider is offered on Monday, and it passes, then those bills can come up again during this session.

The concern from former, Democratic House minority leader John Loredo and others is that over the weekend, Pearce will try to "flip" one Republican who voted against the bill. That Republican would have the right to offer the motion under Senate rules, and Monday is the last day it can be done.

I wouldn't be surprised if Pearce even gives nativists the personal cell numbers of those he's targeting, so they can barrage the legislators with phone calls.

Should the motion pass, it will give Pearce time to try and flip other Republicans. Pearce apparently knew he didn't have the votes to pass the legislation on Thursday. But by outing the rebel Republicans via their no votes, he makes them targets of Pearce's allies.

Democratic State Senator Kyrsten Sinema told me she believes the bills are dead for the rest of the session. 

"If there's a motion to reconsider Monday, it will fail," she told me. 

She may be right. Sources indicate that neither House Speaker Kirk Adams, nor Governor Jan Brewer want the bills to pass, and that both have been working behind the scenes to kill them.

There are other ways Pearce can bring back the bills (as strike-everythings and/or putting them on the ballot), but if he lacks the votes, he lacks the votes. So Monday is a crucial day. Still, if he can't bring them back this session, there's always the next.

If Pearce's defeat on these bills is sustained this session, it could be the first crack in his facade of invincibility. But Pearce is like a shark, relentless, always on the move. And until he's removed from power altogether, the forces of reason can never sleep soundly.


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Bobby
Bobby

Dont count him out yet? Why should Pearce be counted out. You can never count out basically honest people. And besides, it would mean one less person in Arizona that isn't a traitor to the state.

Reidart
Reidart

A chance to put forward the Conservative argument against the so-called 'anti-immigration' bills. The issue is not the impact on illegals (minimal), the issue is the impact on citizens. These are big government bills which force citizens to prove themselves at every turn.

There was no appeal in the Citizenship bill. Consequently, out of state Mayflower descendants would be denied citizenship if their Mom did not have her passport or birth certificate with her. Similarly, rural American citizens (birth certificate is a Bible) would also be denied the rights of citizens. When a Republican brought up these possibilities, the bill was pulled from his committee was jammed through another one.

The hospital bill was worse. Elderly people without drivers Liscenses would be tossed put of hospitals unless they presented their birth certificates. There was no appeal. Instead of some recourse for damages if unlawfully refused treatment, citizens had no recourse under the bill.

These bills were stupidly drafted. They basically endangered Arizonans who dared to walk out the door without proof of citizenship lest they be hit by a car.

In short, liberty is based on how free citizens are. Citizens should not have to carry their proof of citizenship every moment of the day or night. Pearce and his allies claim that Europe and Mexico require their citizens to prove themselves every minute. SO WHAT. European socialism is what Republicans should oppose.

Ironically, illegal aliens who con the MVD into a driver's license will be treated like gold when elderly out of state citizens will be tossed out of medical facilities.

Kudos to the real Republicans who stood up to Pearce. Shame on the rest who want to impose a European socialist internal passport system in Arizona.

This is big goverment so-called 'conservatism' at it's worst.

Alialibubu
Alialibubu

Mr. Appropriator Speaks! We got new ones! Yes we got new ones! Trespassers in the TPN GOP First Degree! YOU LIE! YOU LIE! Attest unto me while walking that SB1070 Pearce way! While talking that CCA Prisons for Profit Section 1070 SB1070 ethnic way! YOU LIE! YOU LIE! Too much thug love in Arizona. Saggy bottom no belt wearing gang member wannabees! Stop the press! Stop the press! We got new ones! Wink Wink Kavanaugh NOD NOD by a fence, Lowes, Home depot, near a alleyway or a bus stop! Stop! Stop! Brown skin, brown eyes unattested unto MCSO Arpaio 4th Avenue Reich! Stop! Stop you Trespassers in the GOP Russell Pearce First Degree! Just not Joshua! Just not the lady from "Snowflake." Yes we got new ones! No "notary" no wellness for you! Just a forced attestation outside your doctor, your dentist, your Planned Parenthood. I'm the decider! Kobach told me so! Dorothy and Toto told me so! So what if i went into the GOP TPN BARN where the sheep just say NO! We got Trespassers in the GOP Arizona First Degree! This is Jan's Land! Jan's Economic, Education, Civil Rights No Jobs for You Holocaust Land. We got new ones! Papers Please! Just not Baumguard! Just you! Don't tread on me or my "too racist" Jim Crow Booths GOP Legislative Body. Tony Hill thank you for your support.

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Punkusm
Punkusm

I thought I moved to Arizona not ALABAMA,!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Usgovfail
Usgovfail

Hey all, I want a better life so who wants to go rob a bank with me today? What? I just want a better life!

WhoKnows
WhoKnows

Nothing in the news about Pearce and the crazy stuff he does in the AZ Senate today. I guess he's a bit mad when the sane people in his caucus ripped off his balls hand fed them to him last week.

And 60 Business leaders in AZ sponsored the event.

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Chad Snow
Chad Snow

Asdfg is my new hero. Please run for office in Arizona, whoever you are.

Diaz
Diaz

Some one needs to kill him.....

rick the prick
rick the prick

It never seizes to amaze me how anyone can follow the work of GED jan or russell piercwe the jail guard. Between the both of them they can at least provide a 8th grade education. Its no wonder Arizona is in trouble. LOOK AT THE PEOPLE MAKING decisions. The mormon moron and the cluelss governor are going to fall....just you watch.

jeepmanaz
jeepmanaz

The wave of hatred and intolerance had to crest eventually. Pearce is still a major force in Arizona poltics but it's time for a little celebrating. I'm going take take a breath, relax a little and get ready for Pearce's next round of crazy laws.

Gray Race
Gray Race

Republicans are finally realizing how much dip shit Pearce is going insane with all these bills.

Coz
Coz

Arizona has it's own Gaddafi, his name is Senator Pearce

Temoc
Temoc

The Arizona business community thought the Pearce bills would be bad for business? Translation; boycotts DO work!

Obviously, the Arizona business community fears further sullying of the Arizona brand!

The 2010 midterm elections were the high water mark for the GOP across America! The 2012 electorate will be vastly different than that of 2010. Huge numbers of African-Americans will show up on election day to cast their ballot for President Obama. There will also be a surge in Hispanic turn out. These voters will cancel out tea party wack jobs.

If the stars REALLY align our way; Antonin Scalia and/or Clarence Thomas will retire from the US Supreme Court - giving President Obama the chance to nominate their replacements!

Dave Francis
Dave Francis

We have been listening to the Leftist mantra "Jobs Americans won't do" but it's falling on death ears, as US Citizens and legal residents applied for jobs after Sheriff Joe Arpaio, swooped down on the eatery called Pei Wei Asian Diners. The business had to close its doors because it didn't have enough legal workers left, then Pei Wei immediately started recruiting workers from among legal residents. Channel 10 of Phoenix reported Sheriff Joe handcuffing and taken into custody illegal aliens working at the Asian diner. In the interview a lady was hired with a business degree, was grateful to find a job to feed her family. How many restaurants, hotels, motels and other service industries need to be raided? Even meat and poultry plants had to use American workers, when ICE sealed the fate of illegal labor stealing jobs throughout this country.

Americans and legal residents were lining up for these jobs, once ICE made lightening raids on dirty company owners. No excuses, no exemptions; they should go to prison. How about the trade Unions in Wisconsin and nationwide are concealing hundreds of thousands of illegal workers. We need more sheriffs with a backbone, such as Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County. Not law enforcement looking for excuses. Learn more about the illegal alien invasion at NumbersUSA Join the Arizona TEA PARTY TO FIGHT BACK AGAINST THIS TRAVESTY

Gerry_C
Gerry_C

The tea party was about taking government back for the people. King Russell and HIS Tea Party Senate have basically hijacked our state government. Business snaps their fingers and in secret, we have a $500 Million gift to corporations. The state budget has been negotiated in secret with little or no time to discuss or debate it. Even though I don't agree with the approach Pearce is taking on illegal immigration, I find it amusing that as soon as business and special interests fuss, the five bills making up the bulk of this session's immigration legislation are just simply shot down. I agree they should have been shot down, but because they are bad bills and a bad approach. The Tea Party Senate just jumped through hoops and killed their number one priority because of a letter that Pearce got.

Taking our government back?

We need to take our government back and put it in the hands of someone that is not scamming us as Pearce has done when he hijacked our senate in the name of the Tea Party.

Usgovfail
Usgovfail

Can we just deport ALL illegal aliens already?! I'm not talking about just people with brown skin, no, I'm talking about ALL people that are here illegally. If you are here illegally from Sweden, Germany, Hungary, Ireland, China, Thailand, Australia then please LEAVE. Go back to where you came from and come back legally.

TonyPrevite
TonyPrevite

Ah....lovely immigration. The problem is that everybody gets all riled up over "foreigners" coming here illegally. I've got news for you all, we're all immigrants in some form or another. We're a nation of immigrants and always will be. I had this discussion with my immigrant mother who started going all crazy on me, bitching about immigration. Aru? Excuse me, but what boat did you come over on mom? She quickly corrected herself and said she was against "illegal" immigration. OK, I'll bite... you came over legally, does that mean everybody that came over on that boat did so legally? She said YES! BULLSHIT!!! I asked her if she inspected the cargo holds and crew quarters herself to ensure that there were no illegal immigrants? Well, no she says... But, But... Yeah, the infamous BUT. Look, let's work with our "neighbors" to make immigration an easy process and even a path to citizenship easier. I'm already tan, and I need some more people like me around.... And for the record, I'm NOT Mexican, Latino or Middle Eastern... But you'd never be able to really tell what I am... I kind of like that because I fit in anywhere. :-)

Democracy in motion!!
Democracy in motion!!

Russell Pearce must be removed from his position of power. Help to make this happen. Visit www.recallpearce.com If you are not a resident in his district then you cannot sign the recall petition HOWEVER you can donate a few dollars to this committee. They are grassroots doing an awesome job but photocopies, website design etc. all cost money. WAKE UP, ARIZONA, here is your chance to oust the shark once and for all!!

Coz
Coz

I bet the Grand Wizard of Arizona Pearce is pissed.

Garcia
Garcia

Some one needs to shoot that man. just get it done . there money out there...........

Coz
Coz

By all means do and let us know how it works out for you.

Stupid Beans
Stupid Beans

Really beaner? You're ass has more to worry about than ICE now; reported to the FBI.

Bob Unferth
Bob Unferth

You will notice that Pei Wei will not be prosecuted under Arizona’s employer sanctions law. Let alone convicted. Not even by Sheriff Joe.

Which is a good thing; suspending their business license would result in a whole lot of lost jobs—just what Arizona needs as our unemployment rate creeps above the national average.

Why will Pei Wei not be prosecuted? Because they didn’t knowingly hire illegals, who are very clever, resourceful and persistent. Not to mention extremely hard working. The kind of people whose talents can make a real contribution to any economy.

As for the lady with the business degree? How long will she stand on her feet 8 hours a day busing dishes for less than $50 a day net? With no benefits and no future? How long till she finds a better deal than that? Who will take her place next month?

But there will be two longer term effects:

Pei Wei and other such businesses will be less likely to expand and more likely to contract their operations in Maricopa county. It’s dangerous and expensive to do business here. Another negative for Maricopa’s economy, another cost of xenophobia.

And illegals will be driven deeper into the underground economy, where they pay fewer taxes and follow fewer rules, all of which will be to the detriment of everyone.

What a bad day’s work.

Anon
Anon

The lady with the business degree working in a restaurant is a sad commentary on how desperate the job situation is. That is not what she was educated and trained for. Though we wish her well.

Usgovfail
Usgovfail

I saw that, I saw the video of those women, and that one guy, who siad they need to work to put food on their table. The whole illegals do jobs that Americans don't want to do is bullshit, simple as that. Around my HOUSE, I wash the dishes, I mop the floors, I vacuum, I clean the pool and I mow the grass. If I have to, I will grow and pick my own food too because thats what people in this nation did hundreds of years ago. They worked for what they wanted, they had to in many cases or they would not eat. The cows don't milk themselves, the bread won't bake itself. Too bad so many spoiled American brats today don't understand that. We can thank mainstream media and government for indoctrinating them.

Anon
Anon

Gerry_C, Well said.

Usgovfail
Usgovfail

Russell Pearce's bills have nothing to do with with the new-age teaparty. They are about stopping illegals from coming into this state. Period. The teaparty of today was formulated because of an out-of-control government that is not bothering to do the jobs they promised to those who elected them. Government on BOTH sides, democrat AND republican scame the taxpayer but at least Pearce is creating bills that go straight to a major problem that Arizona (and much of the nation) is experiencing right now and thats people who think they can walk into this nation and demand things that they did not earn.

Alialibubu
Alialibubu

Papers Please no papers no hate for you! Place your original birth certificate, the doctor who delivered you name, and STE # notarized with the witness name, gender, and sex. Until then you are a fake, phony, too racist to fail good ol boy stuck in the barn where the sheep continue to say no! Trespassing in your own First Degree, winking, and nodding with every chicken that passes by. I'm a felon! I'm a felon! TPN trespassers in my own first degree! No original birth certificate, or mama or daddy's DNA tattoo on the back of my neck, and mama said NO Mr. Boo Hoo too racist to fail! Back to the barn you go!

xerox
xerox

Usgovfail, look at the time you have spent arguing this article alone. Find a hobby that isn't making up lies and bashing your fellow man. News flash you are the descendants of immigrants who didn't have to do half as much work to get in. To be fair, I think right now you are just projecting anger on a people you don't know. Seems like a time to look at your own life and find what is really making you angry at the world and stop taking it out on people who truly don't effect your life on a day to day basis.

Usgovfail
Usgovfail

Hey dumbass, you should listen to your mother for once. She came here LEGALLY you fucking moron. She has paid taxes for probably some 35 plus years of her life only to watch it being given away to big corporations and cowardly thieving illegal aliens. Tell me what happens when a entirely new generation of people comes to this nation and uses public services for decades that they do not pay taxes for? The nations public services degrades, it errodes and then you are left with exactly the cesspool nation that you so cowardly fled from. I swear, you people are incapable of seeing patterns, of analyzing the situtation and realizing what the outcome of your actions will be. Every citizen of every country must pay taxes for public services. If is just a way of life. If the taxes are not paid, the services suffer in quality. Jesus you people are stupid. This is NOT about mexicans, this is about every person who doesn't follow the federal laws. In 50 years, when my generation is gone (Im 34) who will pay for your welfare since the only taxes illegals pay is taxes on goods? Really, have you not put all the pieces of the puzzle together? The federal government gambled with social security money and now social security funding is going bust. Add on top of that the last few bail outs and stimulus packages that were printed which helped to devalue our dollar to the point where our main debt owner, China, does not want to buy our bonds anymore and what are you left with? A US currency that is worth crap. Why do you think gold is the highest it has been in decades? Because the AMerican citizen that is watching all of this go down has lost faith and confidence in the US dollar (government). This is not about me, this is not about mexicans. This is about following our laws and helping pay for what you use. I'm more concerned (worried) for my best friends kids and my niece who is going to be reaching the legal adult age of 18 in about 15 years. I wonder what this nation will look like then after we've got another 20 million peopl ehere who demand that the middle class taxpayer pay for their medical bills, their births and their education. You are some selfish people who do not deserve to come here and enjoy what the founding fathers fought for as you spit on the very people who died so that you could come here and demand something that you have not earned nor will ever know what its liek to work, fight and die for. Fuck illegal aliens and their suppoters. And fuck this piece of shit publication for spewing lies and propaganda. I hope osama bin laden flys a airplane into your building at 201 jefferson in Phoenix.

vic
vic

His power took a huge hit this week. The money people spoke. I love it.

Usgovfail
Usgovfail

Imagine that, the left advocating violence. Isn't this a tactic that you always blame on the radical right teabaggers? Yeah, every fuckbag on azcentral always plays this card. Just after they've played the racist card. If it is anyone who needs to be shot and killed it is raul grijalva, that fat pile of traitor mexican shit that boycotted his own constituents. I won't do it though, just saying I wish someone would. In the meantime, why don't you tell your dirty cousins to just come to America legally for christs sake. COWARDS and LEECHES.

AP
AP

Hell, no. That would just make him another teabagger hero like Tim McVeigh. Imagine how insufferable they'll all be. Gramps with a shotgun riding down the street in his scooter shooting at little brown children in retaliation. They want any 'excuse' to kill brown people.

Coz
Coz

I'm surprised no one has.

Mike from Bisbee
Mike from Bisbee

Really? You're going to Yuma to pick melons this summer? Let me know when you go, because I'd like to take some pictures. A big shit-talker like you won't last a day.

Bob Unferth
Bob Unferth

So Usgov looks forward to washing the dishes, mopping the floors, vacuuming, cleaning the pool, mowing the grass, growing and picking his own food, milking the cows and baking the bread.

I don’t. I studied and worked for sixty years so that my family and my descendants don’t have to live the life our ancestors endured back in the 19th century.

Apparently he’d rather we all live in poverty rather than have a poor Mexican improve his lot in life even a little.

Anon
Anon

There's a better way to go about it then self-destructing the once fine state of Arizona. They've turned it a dictatorship.

Usgovfail
Usgovfail

I have never made up one lie. All I ask is that you follow FEDERAL laws and come to America legally. Thats all I have been saying. Mexico enforces their immigration laws very strictly and none of you people complain about that. China is strict with their immigration laws. So why complain when Az tries to enforce the law that the feds created but are not bothering to enforce? Imagine if the fbi or any other federal agency in this country didn't bother to enforce rape or murder laws and everyone was allowed to go around raping and murdering people. Don't you think the state would try to protect its citizens and do somethign about it? Especially after begging the feds for years to fix the problem with no response? Would you like that scenerio? I"m sure you would as long as it was beneficial to you. Sounds liek thats the case with you pro criminal types. Angry? You are goddamn right I am angry. I am sick of paying taxes for a servie I am not getting. I pay federal income taxes so that the feds can do a job, one job of which is to protect this nation from invaders, and the feds are not bothering to do that. We have borders for a reason, it is to keep enemies out. It is to define sovereignty. That is why Senators Pearce are doing it. Recall senator Pearce if you wish, even if you do recall him there are hundreds of thousands of US CITIZENS in this state and country who are ready to fight against pro illegal immigrant idiots like you people. I am NOT against LEGAL immigration. Just come legally and there won't be a problem. Its not that difficult. America is the number one country for accepting the highest amounts of legal immigrants last year than any other nation on the planet. We can only accept so many people at a time. Its like you can only fit so many people in your car before you can't operate it safely. You people have zero common sense.

vic
vic

Any man that says and feels that "all women are whores" has some serious issuesto begin with.

Alialibubu
Alialibubu

It must be 'mama said no day" at Tea Party Inn. Stop begging, be kind rewind and maybe just maybe, she might say yes. Just don't be like Mike! Ask just stop begging in the barn where the sheep said no! We know, it's too much Chicken and Change in America once Americans voted for a black guy. It's okay, Sotomoyor tacos, rice and beans have been sold for years. You don't have to go to Taco Bell. It's okay to work at Taco Bell and drink TEA and have a PARTAY! Just be kind and rewind. Also place your original birth certificate, with proof of DNA of one of your parents, and grand parent in order to avoid a "Z" sponsored GOP Patch. It's okay, it's alright, just stay out the barn at night! Toto wants to go home. Dorothy does too.

Coz
Coz

You are one major nut case

Alialibubu
Alialibubu

It's a misdemeanor! It's not like Obama YOU LIE! Brown skin, black african-american born in the USA brown eyes Harvard Professor going through the back door of his America. That was President Obama and his Harvard brown skin, brown eyes Professor who was arrested, detained, rendered while Trespassing in the new GOP TPN First Degree. So Papers Please! Save the guilt because Mama said Hell NO! I'm mad as hell too, just at YOU GOP John Wilkes Booth TEA. Come out the closet, just let the little boy go home! It's time to reflect on the past! You should send me $50.00 bucks for the session.

Mike from Bisbee
Mike from Bisbee

Federal laws are being enforced. Have you been to the border recently or do you just sit on your fat ass in front of a TV watching Glenn Beck? Do you get your "facts" from Glenn Spencer or from your own independent observations along the line in Cochise, Santa Cruz, Pima and Yuma Counties? Do you really believe Arpaio is a good sheriff and that RuSSell Pearce is a balanced, decent human being after all the evidence that has been presented to the contrary? If this is so, I'd like to sell you a bridge over the San Perdo River.

There are many thousands of Border patrol agents enforcing immigration laws along the U.S.-Mexican border. So many that they are often the dominant traffic on rural roads. I go through checkpoints several times a week on state route 80 and 191. I see Border Patrol agents apprehending border crossers regularly in southern new Mexico and Arizona. And yet, your mantra and that of your ilk is that the federal government isn't doing the job. Your words make you out to be either a gullible fool or or paranoid. You are so full of hatred and fear you can no longer think for yourself. I feel sorry for you.

The problem with you is that you are easily susceptible to propaganda. Someone pushes your hate and fear buttons and you salivate. You seem to believe every talking point you see on Fox News. You can't think critically and cling only to your mantra.

The pro criminal types are goobers like you, who cling to your hero worship of egotistical, corrupt would-be dictators such as Arapio and Pearce. Are you familiar with the history of those two? Their efforts to subvert the political process and stack the deck in Maricopa County? Their links to racists and Nazis? You are a sad case indeed.

Anon
Anon

Recall Pearce, He is serving himself and NOT the people or the common good.

Temoc
Temoc

@ Usgovfail;

You keep repeating; "Illegal is not a race, it is a crime. Illegal is committing an act which is against the law."

Civil violations of law, such as illegal immigration, are not crimes by definition! For example; speeding tickets, building code violations, jaywalking, are illegal - but they are civil (not criminal) violations of law.

Besides, as I have already pointed out;

Fugitive slaves were 'illegal' too!

You also state; "All I ask is that you follow FEDERAL laws"

Obviously then you oppose SB 1070 since it violates federal law right? For how can the State of Arizona make illegal immigration a STATE crime when it is CIVIL violation of federal law???

TonyPrevite
TonyPrevite

News Flash... I worked for the Federal Government for 13 years. Film at 11.. or is it 10? I get my time zones mixed up. Maybe it'll be on FOX at 9:00 so grandma can see it!

Usgovfail
Usgovfail

To an extent all women are prostitutes. Women today, most of them, expect something in exchange for their conversation, their companionship or their sex. Thats just how life works, very few women will interact with men solely because they just want to be friends. Every woman is expecting to get something out of a relationship with a guy. Guys are the same with girls. Every guy on the planet expects something from a female. It is nature. You either expect a fullfilling friendship (which most men hope will lead to sex), you expect just sex, or you expect at least stimulating conversation, maybe to meet one of her friends, etc. If you claim otherwise you are a liar or you just don't understand human nature.

Mistalee
Mistalee

USGOVFALL has been out of his mind ever since he walked in on his mom sucking Mexican dick. I wish he would get counseling, or just drink heavily, or find some other way to cope.

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