Joe Arpaio Defends Separating Parents from Children in Worksite Raids

Videographer Dennis Gilman covered Sheriff Joe Arpaio's recent worksite raid at the Phoenix company Great Western Erectors, and challenged Joe on separating mothers and fathers from their children during these immigration-enforcement stunts of his.

Arpaio tries to slough it off, claiming he's just enforcing the law and that you could say the same for all of the prisoners in his jails. But Gilman stays on him, pointing out that the seven people arrested for "forgery" really weren't stealing anything. In fact, they were using their fake ID's to work, and paid payroll taxes in the process.

The sheriff says it's a class four felony, whether you're using the fake ID to steal someone's credit or score a job. 

(Actually, Arizona's forgery statute says the offender has to have the "intent to defraud." How you'd be defrauding anyone by working and paying taxes that you'll likely never get back is a conundrum.)

What Arpaio doesn't tell you is that for someone suspected of being in the country illegally, a class four felony or above means they can be held without bond in the state of Arizona

And if the Maricopa County Attorney doesn't have enough evidence to take the case to trial? By that time, there's likely already a hold on the person from U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, which has cross-trained MCSO/287(g) officers in the jails for just this purpose.

So despite the fact that ICE has jerked Arpaio's 287(g) agreement for field enforcement, and the fact that the U.S. Department of Justice is currently investigating the sheriff's office for civil rights abuses, ICE continues to benefit from its partnership with Arpaio in the county jails. Every time Arpaio does a raid like this, ICE scores a few more warm bodies. And its statistics on aliens removed from the country go up.

Ironically, ICE has mostly discontinued worksite raids like these, opting for what they call "desktop raids," where an employer is audited for the hiring of illegal aliens. Those on an employer's rolls get the boot, and the employer avoids being raided.

In general, though, Arpaio's raids are a colossal waste of time that net very few people and do not make the community any safer. As Gilman illustrates, Joe simply succeeds in separating families. Since they're the families of the undocumented, I'm sure that warms the hearts of nativists everywhere. But as far as law enforcement goes, it's a joke.


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L4A1975
L4A1975

I am a 35 year old hispanic male in Arizona who was a victim of idenity theft in which a person, who was later discovered to be illegally living in the USA used my social security number to obtain work and nearly ruined my credit.  It began in 2001, when after filing my tax return the governement sent me a letter telling me I was being auditted for approximately 8k in unreported income. I initiated a fraud investigation which determined who this person was and what they had been doing for almost an entire year.  This person was discovered to be illegally living in the USA and used my social security number to obtain work.  Not only did he steal my identity but also rented property and even bought a car.  What gives a person the right to steal from another person?? With all the talk about racism, why is it "ok" then for this person to do this to me, is it because he's hispanic and I should excuse it?? I don't think so. When someone says there is "no victim" in identity theft or forgery because the other person was only trying to feed their family, they must never have had to prove to their employer who they are, or have to fix a credit report which could ruin their life and family's financial security.  I for one believe Arpaio is correct in what he's doing because as a victim, a person of color, at least someone is trying to prevent the headache of my experience happening to anyone else.  Arpaio has my vote and support.

Pinoy0u812
Pinoy0u812

I can speak from first hand experience about this whole immigration debate.A little about myself. I was born in the Philippines to a Filipino mother and an American father who was serving in the military. My parents were married, had 2 more children,(both born here in the U.S.) and we all lived your "typical" American life. I made some bad decisions and got involved with drugs, and served a prison sentence as a result. Upon release, I was taken into ICE custody because there was a question of whether or not I am a citizen because I was born in the Philippines. After 2 1/2 years of being detained in an ICE detention center,(mind you this was after i was released from prison) my status is still in question and is currently under review in the 9th circuit court of appeals. I AM a citizen of this country. My father was an American,served in the Vietnam war, gave 14 years of his life serving this country, MY country. Yes I have made some bad choices in my past, and I have paid for them in spades,but to try to strip me of my citizenship(which is essentially what they would like to do) is completely out of line.YES I was born in another country, But I could be born on the moon for that matter, My father is an American citizen which by birth also makes me one. For those wondering, YES I have always had a social security card, YES i have always paid taxes, Yes I have always had a job. I am 36 years old and have lived in the U.S. since I was 9 months old. NEVER was there ever a question about my Nationality or citizenship. I love this country,MY country, and everything it stands for.

ninthas
ninthas

C'mon now think about.... Arpaio's antics are hurting the state way more than they are helping. He's raiding jobsites and deporting the ones that choose to make an honest living, the ones that put money back into the state by paying taxes. He's a total fool. Leaving the ones that pose the bigger threat to our state. The ones pushing the drugs out there on the streets. The drugs that are destroying marriages, breaking up homes, and creating addicts that become so desperate for the high they commit crimes to support their habit. Little to none of the money made goes back into our state, instead it goes into the pockets of the drug cartels. Yeah Arpaio you're a real genious!

Srsnakes
Srsnakes

Why has America become so hard-hearted? Lately, I've been reading and hearing Americans say terrible things about other races, cultures, and nationalities. Some think that we should not adopt foreign children. Some rejoice when dead immigra...nts are found on the border. Some even defended a woman who killed a 9 year old Mexican-American girl and her father here in Arizona because she thought they were drug dealers and she wanted to steal their money to fund a racist border-activist organization. (They weren't dealers and had no money). These people are proponents of torture and humiliation, cutting off funding for children's healthcare, abolishing laws that protect animals from abuse, and denying health care to those in the country illegally.The really sad thing is.....these people call themselves Christians.I'm not saying that all Christians are like this. I'm saying that real Christians need to call them on their hypocrisy and ban them from their churches. Leave them out in the open so all can see them for what they really are.....monsters. People like this have always been here. Jesus admonished them in Luke 6:46. " Why do you call me Lord, and then never do what I have told you to do?"

Guest
Guest

Deport the illegal criminals and their bastard anchor babies. Keep the families together, and send them back to the cesspool's they came from.

Mia Chenique
Mia Chenique

the dem's and the reat of this world who are sitting on there butts and letting people like joe and pearce and brewer violate human rights.. this is pure communism..if you ever lived in a communist regime ..this is spot on..in arizona and everything you see around the world it is the bullshit repubkkkicans

Mia Chenique
Mia Chenique

irritated.. there trying to keep there jobs..get paid get rich..and you know how many seniors are falling for this grap..there retired and gop getas them out to vote on the lies they spew and the fear they place on seniors..

Irritated
Irritated

Both parties are just as bad as the other. Liberals aren't any better than republicans and vice versa. It's funny to see how the government is just playing the people each other for their own power gains. And nobody really questions anything cause we're too worried about mexicans, abortions and pointless wars. We'll spend x amount of dollars to build a bomb and then none on the school that'll educate people enough to possibly build them. And honestly, why the fuck do people care so much about immigration? We're all on one tiny planet. Why so territorial about the hunks of land we live on? And it's not like they're taking jobs I want to work at. Would you want to be a day laborer or janitor or would you want to be in a position where you could possibly become top dog if you really wanted it. I'm ranting but fuck, honestly people irratate me. We argue so much over minute crap that we don't focus on the important stuff. And honestly, if this really bothered you, you wouldn't bitch about it on the internet. You'd fight back and get all Egypt/France/Iran every-other-country-in-the-world on the governments ass.

Chem Trail Karen
Chem Trail Karen

I tryed DODO BIRD. I really did. But I could only watch 30 seconds of Gilboys video before I started puking. It sucks even worse then the last one. You suck. Coz sucks. Illegals and there kids suck. Everybody sucks. This article is a lie. I emailed Sheriff Joe and told him not to allow any more interviews with Gilboy. I recomend everyone email the Sheriff.

Chicagonut
Chicagonut

"But Gilman stays on him, pointing out that the seven people arrested for "forgery" really weren't stealing anything. In fact, they were using their fake ID's to work, and paid payroll taxes in the process."

Yes, they were stealing jobs from Americans and it is against the law to use fake or stolen documents to work. Not to mention they violated our immigration laws in the first place. It is simply amazing to me that any American would excuse any lawbreaker for their crimes.

As for the separation of families thingy. What do you think happens when an American is jailed for their crimes? You guessed it! They get separated from their families. Where is the outrage over that? Hypocricy rules with the defenders of illegal aliens.

Kit Carson
Kit Carson

One supposes the "kids-left-behind" angle resonates with many, but for me this is the line that matters:

> Arpaio's raids are a colossal waste of time that net very few people and do not make the community any safer.

Hey Joe, how about getting caught up on serving those 40,000 arrest warrants for child molesting, wife beating and other serious felonies you've let lanquish - that might actually make central AZ a safer place.

Guest
Guest

First-- When you use a fake ID -and- pay taxes, you are paying into someone's Social Security. If that person is also working and paying into their Social Security then guess what? That person is going to get more Social Security than most because they put in more... when in fact they didn't.

In otherwords, this is social security fraud-- a part of the billions that are defrauded from all of us and especially our vulnerable elderly.

Second-- No one separates these people from their children, it was their own stupid decisions that landed them into trouble, not the Sheriff. We call this "self responsibility", I know its' a tough phrase for you liberals to grasp but.. please, try.

Joe for Senate!!!!!!

XSoldier
XSoldier

The Flaccid Fool's "sweeps" are designed to harass and intimidate the innocents of illegal immigration. That includes American citizens.

Every time the Flaccid Fool arrests a legal citizen, he exposes the county to notices of claim and lawsuits, thus costing the taxpayers more money.

When are the voters of this county ever going to wake up and stop putting this financial liability in office!?

Coz
Coz

Arpaio is a joke. The bozo's raids don't mean anything but getting Bozo's mug on TV and in the news. Nothing Bozo Joe does resembles anything law enforcement wise other than he and his nimrods breaking the law.

ExpertShot
ExpertShot

Many of the children of people arrested in these raids are American citizens. So, with these "joke" raids, he is callously putting at risks the lives of our most vunerable citizens - children. Republicants don't care about the kids after their heads have crowned in their mothers' vaginas. Well actually, not even before then because the only reason they're about opposing privacy rights (right to privacy in regards to what they do with their bodies - abortion) is because they want government control over every aspect of a person's life.

For a group that crows so much about a respect for life, they sure don't have much do they.

guest
guest

why didn't you think about all that before you became a drugged up prisoner?you'd still be flying under the radar, free to love your country, or whatever, if youwere a smarter person, or at least a more clever criminal.

anevile
anevile

how can you be making an honest living when you are here ilegally?

Crow
Crow

Hey Dumbass,GIlman already let Arpaio run his mouth about that and took it on. Watch the video instead of making an ass of yourself attempting staw man arguments about real criminals in jail and why its somehow our fault that dick heads like you and the rest of the tea bagging, GOP cock-sucking racist fear-mongering fools don't care about thier families. Tea Bagging shit heads and Arpaio groupies like you don't care about anybody but themselves. They never have and never will. People and groups do care about ALL prisoners rights as well as the families and they sure as hell aren't Arpaio Boot moochers like you. Now that your straw man argument has been shot down, try explaining how paying taxes and working is the same as stealing?

Don't bother responding. I'm headed over to this place because your man JOE ARPAIO says there are 40 dollar an hour jobs now available! If Joe said it, it must be true-right?

guest
guest

the "think of the children" angle resonates with me just about as much as your mom's "baby on board" placard did.

Guest
Guest

So, if you let your children play on the railroad tracks and they get killed by a train, it's the train's fault then, is that the logic I'm picking up from you Xsoldier?

Guest
Guest

Funny, Joe's not in jail. Hasn't been charged with a crime.. and gawd knows there's been plenty of chances.

You have no proof or evidence of anything you've said. Hence... you are full of shit.

Guest
Guest

I know how to stop this from happening, ExpertShot.

I know EXACTLY how to stop the Sheriff from doing this. It works 100% of the time, too. It has NEVER, EVER failed. In fact, I'll pay $1,000 to you personally for each time you can prove my method doesn't work. How's that for putting your money where your mouth is? In fact, I'll grant PNT the ability to publish my full name, address, etc.

There...

Okay, here's my sure-fire, never failed method: DON'T COME HERE ILLEGALLY.

Wow... works everytime. Amazing. Did you know we've never "accidentially" deported an American citizen? WOW! The precision of the Sheriff is mind boggling!

JOE FOR SENATE!

Pinoy0u812
Pinoy0u812

You know what your tottally missing the whole point. As far as my mistakes, yes I made them and yes I have paid for them. The point I was trying to make is that the whole Immigration issue/debate whatever you want to call it is unfair, unjust and irrational. Oh and on a further note, Going to prison was actually the best thing for me, I got my GED, got clean and sober, And finally have my shit together. So you can talk all the crap you want, trurth be told, prison actually saved my life. Chew on that.

XSoldier
XSoldier

Glad you asked that, ByteRider.

I don't have children and, even if I did, I sure as hell wouldn't let them do anything close to what the MCSO shurf does. That includes harassing and intimidating innocent people, regardless of immigration status, costing this county hundreds of millions of dollars, and arresting American citizens.

Norma
Norma

And you are full of hatred. Funny how these people that defend Arpaio don't even know how to spell. Maybe Arizona should concentrate on educating its people and teach them some manners. All they seem to do is make stupid remarks without any justification. Monkey see, monkey do. Unbelievable.

Guest
Guest

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

"It gets worse," Gutierrez said in an interview. "We know of instances in which [U.S. citizens] in his same situation are actually taken to the border and deported from the United States.

http://newsroom.blogs.cnn.com/...

"States Without Nations, estimates of the approximate one million people the U.S. government deports, less than one percent are American – a tiny percentage but that translates into hundreds of U.S. citizens wrongfully forced to leave the country ...

with the implementation of Arizona's new immigration law this week, the problem will get worse. Don Lemon spoke with one American, Johann Ace Francis, who lost 10 years with his family after he was mistakenly deported."

http://stateswithoutnations.bl...

U.S. Citizen Deported to Mexico, Shipped to Guatemala, Now Held in Jail (detailed, specific story.)

"ICE regularly detains U.S. citizens born in the United States, including after the Customs and Border Patrol tears up birth certificates of Mexican-American teenage boys."

http://civilliberty.about.com/...

"Peter Guzman was scheduled to be the best man at his brother's wedding in July 2007, but he never made it. Immigration and Customs Enforcement had deported Guzman, a U.S. citizen and second-generation Mexican-American immigrant, as an "illegal alien."

"ICE does not keep records on cases in which detainees claim to be US citizens. If larger trends are consistent with the pattern in Hartzler's caseload, since 2004 ICE has held between 3,500 and 10,000 US citizens in detention facilities and deported about half ... "

Two minutes on google, (us citizens deported) and a few more to cut and paste and the one thing becomes obvious: only an absolute fool would ever proclaim "Did you know we've never "accidentially" deported an American citizen?"

Crow
Crow

Hey Dumbass. How did a baby come here illegally? You are one stupid Peice of shit.

Kit Carson
Kit Carson

Do you ever think before you post? Heck, just take a few minutes to google your loony claims.

Americans are detained and deported with some frequency.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/200...

"An unpublished study by the Vera Institute of Justice, a New York nonprofit organization, in 2006 identified 125 people in immigration detention centers across the nation who immigration lawyers believed had valid U.S. citizenship claims.

Vera initially focused on six facilities where most of the cases surfaced. The organization later broadened its analysis to 12 sites and plans to track the outcome of all cases involving citizens.

Nina Siulc, the lead researcher, said she thinks that many more American citizens probably are being erroneously detained or deported every year because her assessment looked at only a small number of those in custody. Each year, about 280,000 people are held on immigration violations at 15 federal detention centers and more than 400 state and local contract facilities nationwide."

and

"Rachel Rosenbloom, an attorney at the Center for Human Rights and International Justice at Boston College who's identified at least seven U.S. citizens whom ICE has mistakenly deported since 2000, believes that the agency should set up a more formal way of handling detainees when they appear to have valid claims of U.S. citizenship.

So, with five minutes of the google I earned $1,000 - please donate it to one of the Pearce recall movements.

Guest
Guest

It's pretty silly when one becomes upset about misspellings, typos and other grammar errors on the Internet. Yes, byterider is the twit who, when complaining about the spelling of another, filed a post replete with errors, but he a jerk in general, so that's expected.

You're a nice lady, silly is not how I would describe you, so how about laying off the spell checker? :)

guest
guest

well, you did misspell misspelled, byterider.so yeah, you know, just saying.

Guest
Guest

And before you have a fit... it's LEMONS', not LEMON'S. I know I know..

You make it so hard to be a hater, Norma, you really do. I might have to change my ways if I keep having to make grammer and spelling corrections.

Guest
Guest

JHC, Norma, that was a message written in another thread-- I had to search the whole blog for it. Can't you reply to THAT message and tell me what a dunce I was THERE instead of here? SERIOUSLY!

I corrected the mispelling, but you're right.. it was mispelled.

I don't communicate like Lemons... unsubstantiated bullshit. This guy has been doing this for YEARS. You know, if he had one SHREAD of evidence, I'd be the FIRST PERSON here on Lemon's side, defending him to the bitter end, demanding the Sheriff be locked up in open population with the worst of the worst. Fact is, he has no facts. It's all pathetic BS to get people to pick up this rag, why do you think they put his BS on the front cover half the time? Really...

Norma
Norma

You're the only moron. Try spelling "seperates" correctly. The only way you know to communicate is to become a bully.

Guest
Guest

I looked at my message... not a single mispelled word. Are you referring to my use of the word "gawd" instead of "God"? Perhaps you're just an idiot?

guest
guest

oh that's an easy one, their criminal parents carried them here.

Guest
Guest

Some people don't understand the meaning of the word "identified."

Boston College's Center found seven US citizens who had been deported by mistake.

Pay-up, or just be content being proven a liar or an idiot.

Asdas
Asdas

conservatard

guest
guest

"immigration lawyers believed""she thinks, probably""rachel identified"

somewhere there's a celebrated and verified instance of this anomaly occurring. keep looking if you want to win that prize.

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