Karl Rove, "War Criminal," Feted by Phoenix's Business Elite

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Where does America go from here, Karl? Hey, maybe we could invade some Middle-Eastern country unnecessarily and kill a bunch of people. Oh, snap, we already did that.

The first thing that sprang to mind when I got the above flier in my e-mail in-box announcing that "Bush's Brain" Karl Rove will be speaking at the Phoenix Chamber of Commerce's "Phoenix Forum" series, was, um, what, you mean David Duke was unavailable?

Sure, that's a slight to David Duke, who may be a racist so-and-so, but for all his faults, never helped sell a war to the American people under the false premise that Iraq had "Weapons of Mass Destruction."

Certainly, Rove's been mixed up in lots of other sleazy stuff, from the outing of undercover CIA agent Valerie Plame to the dismissals of nine U.S. Attorneys for political reasons to the general sliming of anyone running against one of his candidates.

But that's corn nuts compared to the role he played in marketing an unnecessary war. As we all know, Saddam Hussein was a bad guy, but he had no WMDs, and the WMDs were the casus belli for our country invading Iraq.

Lest we forget, according to the last count by the AP, at least 4,424 men and women of the U.S. military have died in Iraq since the country was invaded in 2003.

Iraqbodycount.org, which offers one of the more conservative estimates of the local carnage, reports a range of anywhere from 98,252 to 107,235 Iraqi civilian deaths from violence since the war began. 

And according to a recent Congressional Research Service estimate, the Iraq war has so far cost the U.S. $751 billion. However, Nobel Prize winning economist Joseph Stiglitz in 2008 estimated that the full cost of the war, including caring for all those wounded vets, will be ultimately be three trillion dollars. Since then, Stiglitz has written that he believes the final tally will be far more.

So when Rove was heckled recently during a book signing event in Beverly Hills and called a "War Criminal," I sympathized with the sentiment. Any way you cut it, Rove, along with Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and all the rest of that bunch have blood on their hands. A lot of blood.

And yet, look at all the "sponsors" this "War Criminal" has for his November 9 appearance: SRP, APS, the vultures at Freeport McMoRan, wingnut talk radio station KTAR (no surprise there), The Arizona Republic, the Capitol Times, the Phoenix Business Journal, and so on.

Phoenix Chamber of Commerce President and CEO Todd Sanders told me that the sponsors help "underwrite" the event, either through cash or in-kind contributions, like, say, advertising in the case of publishers.

Letting people buy ads in your paper is one thing, sponsoring a "War Criminal" is another.

Tickets are going for $75 a pop. Sanders says the Chamber doesn't want to shy away from controversy, and that he expects Rove to comment on the outcome of the upcoming mid-term elections.

"Whether you like him or you hate him," Sanders said of Rove, "I think he's going to bring some important insight into what happens. Take [President Obama] right now. If I could get the President to come, I'd certainly bring him."

You mean that black, socialist Kenyan usurper? How dare you! It's not like he's ever mistakenly invaded any countries, while telling the American people it was necessary to prevent another 9/11. The piker. (I know, we're still in Afghanistan, and there are troops yet in Iraq. But Obama didn't start the bull. He just got stuck with it.)

I'm not for censoring anyone. If the Phoenix Chamber of Commerce wants to invite Kim Jong Il or Radovan Karadzic (assuming the Bosnian scum could get out of stir) or even Osama Bin Laden (if he could crawl out of that cave in Pakistan) to speak at their Phoenix Forum series, hey, it's a free country. Still, there's this little problem of guilt by association.

Let's at least hope some protesters show up to greet "the architect" -- non violently, of course. He really deserves to occupy a cell in the 21st Century version of Spandau Prison. (Gitmo, maybe?) But I'd settle for a few ticked off demonstrators.


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Nfhill
Nfhill

he must be afraid AZ Liz and friends will arrest him if he appears in public rather than behind pricey doors...

Az Debtman
Az Debtman

Post Bush/Cheney Generational Theft by Deception Axis of Evil Doers "Chief Treasonist" is coming to town! Heardee! Heardee! Lost a leg in Iraq! Call Karl! Just $75.00 to say Thank you, thank you! Heardee! Heardee! Chief Treasonist Rove is coming to the Chamber of Jan's Economic Holocaust Commerce SB1070 Land. What's coming! More theft! More treason! Section 1070 is empty and Rove/Bush/McCain/Kyl and the rest of theTEAM GOP Generational Theft by Deception enablers need that man, woman, child and their neighbor to "attest" unto Karl Rove and the 14th Amendment. Because Rove is the REAL ID and Sarah Palin is their EVE in EEVS. Obama is YOU LIE, unattested unto TEAM GOP. It's amazing how America is still stuck in that 5.7 Trillion Dollar Theft by Deception Axis of Evil Doers Suspension of Russell Pearce Disbelief. My only question to Karl Rove would be, what time did the speechwriter write George Bush's 2nd grand Fox & Friends, Osama & Friends speech the morning of September the 11, 2001? Who handed it to him to READ while just "turning the page." Everyone always wanted to know where that came from, the crystal ball said the "devil made me say it."

Emil Pulsifer
Emil Pulsifer

P.S. Never mind that last sentence. I overlooked the "also".

Emil Pulsifer
Emil Pulsifer

"Old Rebel" wrote:

"Of course Rove is a war criminal. He also promoted "comprehensive immigration reform" (translation: amnesty). In other words, just like Obama."

Just like Ronald Reagan, for that matter. Why the hell does that make someone a "war criminal"?

Old Rebel
Old Rebel

Of course Rove is a war criminal. He also promoted "comprehensive immigration reform" (translation: amnesty).

In other words, just like Obama.

Dave
Dave

Old Rebel,What is your idea on reforming and streamlining the immigration process?

victoria
victoria

Thanks for your advertising as to Mr. Rove's appearance in Phoenix - how good is that? Can't wait to attend...2hotforKarl

Beatnix64
Beatnix64

i've come to the conclusion that drama is sold as mainstream news on the Idiot Box because for the viewer to accept it, a suspension of disbelief is required. The WMD story sounded more like a script from a B Movie. Evil Dictator has nuclear weapons in his evil lair and plans to do evil stuff. Standard Bond movie shit.

Emil Pulsifer
Emil Pulsifer

P.S. The 1,400 members of the international Iraq Survey Group were organized and jointly administered by the Pentagon and the CIA, and most of the manpower was U.S. (with the bulk of the rest being British and Australian); so don't try to claim that it was some fuzzy-headed U.N. general council group infiltrated by sari-wearing third-worlders out to get America, or any of your other right-wing malarkey, "USArmy".

Emil Pulsifer
Emil Pulsifer

"USArmy" wrote:

"Hey numbnuts: Iraq did have WMD. They used nerve gas on its own citizens....ever hear of the Kurds?"

Yes, but that was in the 1980s. Most Iraqi weapons of mass destruction were destroyed by United Nations forces after the 1990-91 Persian Gulf War. Sanctions, and intense inspections programs by U.N. weapons inspectors enforcing them, coerced Saddam Hussein to order the remaining hidden caches destroyed and put an end to his WMD programs. From the Iraqi Survey Group Final Report:

"ISG has not found evidence that Saddam Husayn possessed WMD stocks in 2003, but the available evidence from its investigation—including detainee interviews and document exploitation—leaves open the possibility that some weapons existed in Iraq although not of a militarily significant capability. Several senior officers asserted that if Saddam had WMD available when the 2003 war began, he would have used them to avoid being overrun by Coalition forces."

http://www.globalsecurity.org/...

The same report asserts that there is some evidence that Hussein tried to preserved, albeit in a fragmentary fashion, the expertise to rebuilt his WMD program if the sanctions were lifted.

See also the "Comprehensive Report of the Special Advisor to the DCI on Iraq's WMD" which also found no evidence that Iraq produced or stockpiled WMD since the imposition of U.N. sanctions in 1991.

https://www.cia.gov/library/re...

"USArmy" wrote:

"And Saddams own Generals confirmed that nuclear material, log range missles and chemical weapons were moved into Syria in the days prior to our invasion. . .The WMD issue was washed by our govt because it was the Russians who helped Saddam get them."

This is a fabrication. Sources?

Hike123103
Hike123103

Any second i expected Rove to stick his big head out of a car window with his toy windmaker in his hand, saying "Wee, Wee"...all the way home.

Ricardo R.
Ricardo R.

"Certainly, Rove's been mixed up in lots of other sleazy stuff, from the outing of undercover CIA agent Valerie Plame. . ."

If by "mixed up" you mean not involved at all, I guess you are right. Wasn't it a filthy member of the press (now deceased) that actually did the outing? Perhaps Rove was "mixed up in HIS death.

USNavy
USNavy

Ricardo R,Do you ever get tiered of NOT being wrong?

From AP Press FROM 7/12/2006 6:33:49 PM ET

WASHINGTON — Now that Karl Rove won’t be indicted, now that the president won’t fire him, now that it really doesn’t matter anymore, more details of the Valerie Plame leak investigation trickle out.

In his latest syndicated column released Wednesday, columnist Robert Novak revealed his side of the story in the Plame affair, saying Rove was a confirming source for Novak’s story outing the CIA officer, underscoring Rove’s role in a leak President Bush once promised to punish.

The columnist said he learned of Plame’s CIA employment from a source he still refuses to publicly identify, and then confirmed with Rove and then-CIA spokesman Bill Harlow, whose roles in talking to Novak have been previously reported.

Anon
Anon

C Street: The Fundamentalist Threat to American Democracy by Jeff Sharlet http://www.powells.com/biblio/...

C Street - where piety, politics, and corruption meet

"Jeff Sharlet is the only journalist to have reported from inside the C Street House, the Fellowship residence known simply by its Washington, DC address. The house has lately been the scene of notorious political scandal, but more crucially it is home to efforts to transform the very fabric of American democracy. And now, after laying bare its tenants' past in The Family, Sharlet reports from deep within fundamentalism in today's world, revealing that the previous efforts of religious fundamentalists in America pale in comparison with their long-term ambitions.When Barack Obama entered the White House, headlines declared the age of culture wars over. In C Street, Sharlet shows why these conflicts endure and why they matter now - from the sensationalism of Washington sex scandals to fundamentalism's long shadow in Africa, where Ugandan culture warriors determined to eradicate homosexuality have set genocide on simmer.We've reached a point where piety and corruption are not at odds but one and the same. Reporting with exclusive sources and explosive documents from C Street, the war on gays in Uganda, and the battle for the soul of America's armed forces - waged by a 15,000-strong movement of officers intent on reclaiming territory for Christ in the military - Sharlet reveals not the last gasp of old-time religion but the new front lines of fundamentalists."

Anon
Anon

http://attackerman.firedoglake...State Department Re-Ups With BlackwaterBy: Spencer Ackerman Friday October 1, 2010 11:31 amexcerpt:The State Department’s $10 billion, five-year contract with private security firms is finally out. Guess who’s still a part of it?

I have an exclusive over at Danger Room about how an arm of Blackwater successfully formed a “joint venture” to stay in the picture. Here’s what I’d highlight for you:

Don’t see any of Blackwater’s myriad business names on there? That’s apparently by design. Blackwater and the State Department tried their best to obscure their renewed relationship. As Danger Room reported on Wednesday, Blackwater did not appear on the vendors’ list for Worldwide Protective Services. And the State Department confirms that the company, renamed Xe Services, didn’t actually submit its own independent bid. Instead, they used a blandly-named cut out, “International Development Solutions,” to retain a toehold into State’s lucrative security business. No one who looks at the official announcement of the contract award would have any idea that firm is connected to Blackwater.

Blackwater’s “affiliate U.S. Training Center is part of International Development Solutions (IDS), a joint venture with Kaseman,” according to an official State Department statement to Danger Room. “This joint venture was determined by the Department’s source selection authority to be eligible for award.”

I mean, just try Googling “International Development Solutions.” You see a lot of information about what this company is? It’s hard not to recall Paravant. As Senator Levin explained: “The investigation revealed that Paravant had never performed any services and was simply a shell company established to avoid what one former Blackwater executive called the ‘baggage’ associated with the Blackwater name as the company pursued government business.”

Anon
Anon

It's hard to overlook this when discussing this topic...

'Family': Fundamentalism, Friends In High Places : NPRhttp://www.npr.org/templates/s...excerpt:"The group also has a connection to a house in Washington, D.C., known as C Street. Owned by a foundation affiliated with the Family, C Street is officially registered as a church; in practice, it serves as a meeting place and residence for politicians like South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford, Nevada Sen. John Ensign and Oklahoma Sen. Tom Coburn.

The Family, Sharlet writes, is responsible for founding the annual National Prayer Breakfast, a supposedly ecumenical — but implicitly Christian — event attended by the president, members of Congress and dignitaries from around the world. These foreign delegations are often led by top defense personnel, who use it as an opportunity to lobby the most influential people in Washington — and who repay the Family with access to their governments."

Dennis Gilman
Dennis Gilman

Nice article but I think a part 2 is also in order. The crap Rove has been up to latelyis dirty.

USArmy
USArmy

Hey numbnuts: Iraq did have WMD. They used nerve gas on its own citizens....ever hear of the Kurds? And Saddams own Generals confirmed that nuclear material, log range missles and chemical weapons were moved into Syria in the days prior to our invasion. Get a grip bonehead......it was proven, just like your bullshit about second guessing the Pinal Co Deputy was bullshit. The WMD issue was washed by our govt because it was the Russians who helped Saddam get them. Now go away.

Rich
Rich

Seriously? Iraq in march of 1988 was known NOT to have cyanide gas. However it was well known that Iran did. Iran took over the town of Halabja after invading and gassing the citizens there. Iran quickly condemed the fighting and blamed Saddam. It was reported by the washington post that both sides had the chemical and therefore was proof that saddam hussein was a mass murderer. The only thing Saddam was, was a bad gambler! We called his bluff, but who has the last laugh as our country goes broke and becomes more unemployed after spending almost Decade in afghanastan and Iraq! do your homework before you calling strangers "bonehead"! SADDAM DID NOT GAS THE KURDS!

Rich
Rich

The CIA's senior political analyst for the Iran-Iraq war, Stephen C. Pelletiere claimed that a fact that has not been successfully challenged is that Iraq was not known to have possessed the cyanide-based blood agents determined to have been responsible for the condition of the bodies that were examined, and that blue discolorations around the mouths of the victims and in their extremities, pointed to Iranian-used gas as the culprit.

USNavy
USNavy

Well usarmy,Now that you have been PROVEN wrong in at least 3 or 4 rebuttals are you prepared to admit you are WRONG?

I assume that you are not.

From your use of data 20+ years out of date and then trying to back it up with admitted false-hoods, I peg you as a Truther/ Birther/ Glen Beck-ian historical revisionist.

You are either: 1) a 80+ year old who served his 4 years back in either Korea or early Viet Nam or 2) a mid20 - mid 30 far east valley trailer dweller who is missing most of you teeth from METH rot who never served in the military but feels regret that he did not get to "KILL ME SOME TOWEL HEADS".OR 3) the least likely is that you actually did serve in the military and are now dishonorably discharged and you really miss shooting not only enemy combatants but also the women who resisted your attempted rapes.

My personal $5.00 bet is on # 2. As it seems you are incapable of doing any form of research and take conservative talking points right from OLD Fox news reports.

Now go put the Meth down, get into a treatment program, do your own research into physics, aviation engineering, Structural engineering, Structural Demolition, political law, geography, the constitution, Ancient History w/ a focus on Persia and Babylonia, World war 1 w/ focus on the middle east, History of Tammany Hall, then go rent Wag the dog and put Rove and Bush in place of the characters in the movie.

After that you just might understand why your beliefs in being a Truther, a Birther and why everything Glen Beck says is wrong on every level.

Charles Ward
Charles Ward

Hey Brain Dead, they didn't find any WMD after the invasion because there weren't any there. They invaded, killed a shitload of people (ours included) over nothing. Now we just wait for the Shiite government to institute a theocracy and suck up to Iran. This opera isn't over yet, but the stage is set.

The Pinal County crap is clumsy stage craft, too. Just another bunch of lying cops whose play acting is about as skillful as an elementary school play.

Thad
Thad

"Hey numbnuts: Iraq did have WMD. They used nerve gas on its own citizens....ever hear of the Kurds?"

The rationale for the war was that they posed a threat to the United States. In 2003.

"And Saddams own Generals confirmed that nuclear material, log range missles and chemical weapons were moved into Syria in the days prior to our invasion."

And you trust the word of Saddam's generals?

"Get a grip bonehead......it was proven"

You know, a few years back some very nice people came to my door to explain to me that everything in the Bible had been "proven". They didn't understand what "proven" meant either.

Bush, Cheney, Rove, et al have all acknowledged there were no WMD's, and claimed they had faulty intelligence. Do you really think they'd have done that if they had proof?

"Now go away."

Ha, I had a new guy on the comments section of my messageboard tell me I should go away once. It's pretty funny when people go to somebody else's website and tell them to leave.

Teh dude
Teh dude

>>But Obama didn't start the bull. He just got stuck with it

Yeah and added to it with his surge while continuing to use Bush justifications for secrecy in the name of national security. Oh and did I mention Obama's assassination list that contains the names of U.S. citizens?

Anon
Anon

Had hoped Obama would NOT follow the failed Bush/Rove policies..

MOhamet
MOhamet

In his case I would favor allowing the sins of the father to be visited on the child. A cooperative agreement could be struck with Germany whereby Rove would get his own private room at Birkenau.

Emil Pulsifer
Emil Pulsifer

"Where does America go from here, Karl? Hey, maybe we could invade some Middle-Eastern country unnecessarily and kill a bunch of people. Oh, snap, we already did that."

Excellent. This actually made me laugh out loud.

This is all about getting Republican candidates elected. Naturally the Phoenix Chamber of Commerce isn't going to make an explicit admission of political partisanship ahead of the fall congressional elections.

Rove helped found the political group American Crossroads; Rove also helped found Crossroads GPS. These are groups making huge "independent" expenditures to help Republicans win seats. Nearly all of their donors are billionaires -- identities undisclosed since the recent U.S. Supreme Court decision and since the Republicans (and conservative Democrats) shot down congressional legislation that would have imposed disclosure requirements.

Chamber of commerce members are well connected and themselves affluent. Rove has already done the same thing with the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, as recent accusations by Vice President Biden make clear. Now he's working the states:

"Jim Dyke, a former Republican National Committee communications director and now a member of American Crossroads' board of directors...added that the group is currently hiring operatives with state-specific campaign knowledge to bolster the operation."

http://voices.washingtonpost.c...

Anon
Anon

Emil, I think you'll find many answers here...'Family': Fundamentalism, Friends In High Places : NPRhttp://www.npr.org/templates/s...excerpt:"The group also has a connection to a house in Washington, D.C., known as C Street. Owned by a foundation affiliated with the Family, C Street is officially registered as a church; in practice, it serves as a meeting place and residence for politicians like South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford, Nevada Sen. John Ensign and Oklahoma Sen. Tom Coburn.

The Family, Sharlet writes, is responsible for founding the annual National Prayer Breakfast, a supposedly ecumenical — but implicitly Christian — event attended by the president, members of Congress and dignitaries from around the world. These foreign delegations are often led by top defense personnel, who use it as an opportunity to lobby the most influential people in Washington — and who repay the Family with access to their governments."

Anon
Anon

Emil, You ask where America goes from here... why the military is now in Arizona at the border! A war within our borders.

pressguy
pressguy

People no longer think about, or care about, the greater good. Celebrity trumps vision. Popular trumps right. Ranting trumps thoughtful discussion. We cannot continue down this road for much longer. Pogo was absolutely correct.

Anon
Anon

It's being done in the name of...

'Family': Fundamentalism, Friends In High Places : NPRhttp://www.npr.org/templates/s...excerpt:"The group also has a connection to a house in Washington, D.C., known as C Street. Owned by a foundation affiliated with the Family, C Street is officially registered as a church; in practice, it serves as a meeting place and residence for politicians like South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford, Nevada Sen. John Ensign and Oklahoma Sen. Tom Coburn.

The Family, Sharlet writes, is responsible for founding the annual National Prayer Breakfast, a supposedly ecumenical — but implicitly Christian — event attended by the president, members of Congress and dignitaries from around the world. These foreign delegations are often led by top defense personnel, who use it as an opportunity to lobby the most influential people in Washington — and who repay the Family with access to their governments."

Coz
Coz

What do they care when it's not their personal blood or the blood of their families being spilled.

>>Rove, along with Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and all the rest of that bunch have blood on their hands. A lot of blood.

Mike
Mike

And so does Obama. In July we had more soldiers die in the war than any other month since the war began. What about all dead bodies along border towns from drug cartels that Obama and Nappy don't seem to care about either?

Anon
Anon

and record numbers of dead inmates in the Arizona prisons.. a culture of cruelty and inhumanity.

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