Jan Brewer Wrong Again: FBI Stats Show Violent Crime Down in Arizona by 14 Percent

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The FBI gives the lie to Jan Brewer's noxious rhetoric

It's been proven over and over again: Governor Jan Brewer's hysteria and the hysteria of her nativist allies over alleged illegal-alien-perpetrated crime in Arizona is founded on anecdotal evidence, some of it glaringly inaccurate, such as Brewer's infamous claim that headless bodies have been found in the Arizona desert. That's a tale the governor finally had to admit was bogus.

But the FBI has once more shown that the alarmist rhetoric about rampant crime in Sand Land due to in influx of illegal aliens is bunk. Today's release of the FBI's 2009 numbers in "Crime in the United States" reveals that violent crime is down in Cactus Country, way down. Around fourteen percent down, to be exact.

In 2008, there were 31,274 incidents of violent crime in Arizona, a rate of 481.2 per 100,000 people. In 2009, there were 26,929, or 408.3 violent crimes per 100,000 persons. That's a 13.9 percent drop in the total numbers.

Murder, rape and robbery? All down in the Grand Canyon State.

Only Montana and South Dakota had larger drops in violent crime, percentage-wise. 

I can already hear the nativists howling, "That's because all the brown folk are leaving Arid-Zona!" See, if crime is up, they think their point is made. It's the same when crime is down. Either way, they win and get to demonize Latinos.

But from 2007 to 2008 there was a five percent decline in violent crimes in Arizona. From 2006 to 2007, it was flat, at a one percent decline. From 2005 to 2006, it was also pretty flat, up by 1.4 percent.

In any case, the numbers do not support the contention that Arizona is awash in violent crime because of illegal immigration or any other reason.

Sorry, but murdered Arizona rancher Rob Krentz was but one man. His tragic death makes for a good talking point for the racists, but beyond that, it doesn't belie the fact that crime is down, not up, in Sand Land.

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Steven
Steven

Well, you know, when even the Feds have to admit that Arizona is a bit safer nowadays..............you gotta wonder just how Gov. Brewer still gets away with some of that B.S. I don't know if Rick Perry will end up pulling a similar rabbit out of his proverbial hat, but chances are, this won't end with Ariz. {I live in Texas, not far from D/FW proper........so I should know.}

Benito
Benito

In the last four months Jan Brewer has been caught lying, three times and counting.

The comments made on June 16, 2010, and June 27, 2010, clearly indicates that the Brewer says that immigrants are beheading people in the United States desert. She first ran away from the question and the press when confronted with the question. She finally when to FOX/ FAKE News to recant her lie.

When Brewer was confronted with the fact the two of her top Advisors (Paul Senseman, Chuck Coughlin) are lobbyist for “Private Prisons” giant CCA she first ran away from the question and the press.

In an attempt to gain sympathy, she first said her father had died in Germany fighting the Nazi in World War II (which ended 1945) but of course we find out the truth that her father was never in Germany and died in California in 1955. Do you see a trend here?

Brewer signed into law SB 1070 Bill (Did she even read it?), lied about the crime rates in AZ (even Janet Napolitano knows that all crimes rates went down), and now we find out that she is in the pockets of PRIVATE PRISONS who stand to benefit with the increase Federal jailing, and thus they will pay her back, I wonder if it has to do anything about the fact that her son was transferred to a brand new prison, he was convicted for rape and sexual assault, I guess the fruit does not fall far the tree.

“Private Prisons Lie”youtube.com/watch?v=UMcgXxzcBe...

“AZ Crime Rates”youtube.com/watch?v=0eb4mMk6Xg...

“Father Lie”vodpod.com/watch/3771595-charl...

Mvarney
Mvarney

I live out of state so please bear with me on this. I have questions for you native Arizonans: 1. What percentage of crimes are actually committed by illegal immigrants in Arizona? 2. Are percentages broken down in terms of type of crime? 3. Is the percentage of crimes committed by illegal immigrants on the drop as well? 4. How about per capita, considering that several have left recently. Just wondering. I keep seeing that the overall crime rate is down but nothing specifically on illegal immigrants. Thanks.

Guest
Guest

Apparently the writer isn't aware that the F.B. I., as reported just a few days ago, had to take back these statistics. Why? Because thousands of women across the nation including Arizona, have come out and exposed the police as not having taken their RAPES! seriously, indeed, not even put them down as crimes. Good try Mr. Lemons and company.

Steven
Steven

"Why? Because thousands of women across the nation including Arizona, have come out and exposed the police as not having taken their RAPES! "

LOL, and how could thousands of people just suddenly appear out of nowhere and do such............I either smell a rat or B.S.

Emil Pulsifer
Emil Pulsifer

Mr. Lemons wrote:

"But from 2007 to 2008 there was a five percent decline in violent crimes in Arizona. From 2006 to 2007, it was flat, at a one percent decline. From 2005 to 2006, it was also pretty flat, up by 1.4 percent."

Actually, from 2007 to 2008 violent crime in Arizona was flat according to this index, going from 482.7 crimes per 100,000 inhabitants to 481.2; from 2006 to 2007 (when there was no exodus of Mexican immigrants) it dropped 3.7 percent, from 501.4 to 482.7; and from 2005 to 2006 (again, when illegal immigration was high) it dropped about 2.1 percent.

http://www.disastercenter.com/...

(scroll to the BOTTOM half for crime rates per 100,000 population)

More conclusively, all during the height of the immigration boom (i.e., when border apprehensions in Arizona were at their highest), from 1993 to 2007, we've seen a huge and more or less continuous decrease in violent crime rates in Arizona (even the rare year over year increases were small): from 715.0 in 1993 to 531.7 in 2000 to 482.7 in 2007. Don't forget that 1992-3 was when Operation Gatekeeper and Operation Hold the Line (in San Diego Sector and El Paso Sector respectively) were initiated, though it wasn't until 1996 when San Diego Sector apprehensions dropped precipitously and Tucson Sector apprehensions surged. See "Southwest Border Apprehensions by Sector" (and year) in Figure 4 here:

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/hom...

In other words, during the time of the greatest Mexican illegal immigration wave, violent crime was dropping dramatically and essentially continuously, in Arizona.

Note that this reflected similar trends nationally. The biggest correlate with the crime decrease trend is in fact the aging of the population. As individuals get older, they tend to commit less violent crime on average (serial killers and a few other hard cases notwithstanding); so as the population ages the violent crime rate tends to drop (and vice-versa during the rise of the baby-boomers).

To Tucson Liberal
To Tucson Liberal

You are quite right, my friend, but you know as well as I do that old wrinkled tits is running on the "HATER" platform, and that's a sure fire winner in this city. Hate... it's a beautiful thing. When you have nothing to sell, there is always hate to fall back on. It matters not that the Sand Shrew vomits up lies, inaccuracies, and bullshit, her constituents don't have the ability to think or reason, just hate. How long before the old cow abolishes Martin Luther King Jr. day ??? That went a long way in showing the kind of cretins that are on the loose downtown when this holiday was first protested against years ago. "Phoenix"... a city named for a mythical oversized bird from Hell unleashed to wrought evil upon us all. How very appropriate.

John Castle
John Castle

Racism? Oh, you bet there's racism going on. It's coming from the people who yell, "These are brown folks! They're exempt from the law that everybody else has to follow!"

Fuck you, the law applies to EVERYONE, regardless of race. No one gets a free pass.

WallyK
WallyK

Daniel,Please answer the following Situation to the best of your ability.

It is Friday Morning, it is sunny, We are standing in front of Home Depot.

Juan the 5th generation American Citizen has just loaded his pick up truck full of Lumber, tools and paint. He is dressed in a jeans with worn and dusty boots and a old faded western style shirt.He is hot and sweaty and is now standing in the shade of the building, away from his truck and mopping the sweat from his forehead with a red bandanna and drinking a glass bottle of Lemon Lime soda.

Standing next to him is Saul, he is from Israel, his visa expired 3 weeks ago and his rent is due in 2 days. He has come to Home Depot with the express purpose to find someone to hire him for a couple of days of labor so he can pay his rent and keep living in the US. Saul is dressed in Jeans, a Old Crazy Dave in the morning tee shirt he got from goodwill and new looking sneakers.Saul is also hot and is drinking a Coke.

Saul has just worked up the nerve to try to ask for a job to help Juan with his obvious building project but has only gotten to the small talk and has not yet asked when a sheriffs deputy rolls in to the parking lot and see the two of them talking.

Now here is your question:Which one of the 2 men standing in the parking lot will the Sheriff approach first and why?

Steven
Steven

Hehe, I think most of us know the answer to that..................Juan, of course.{you never know which lawman they might end up being spotted by first, though, and if he/she happens to be particularly anti-Semitic........well, you figure out the rest}

Marklizard
Marklizard

Well, I haven't seen any responses in a while so I'm moving on. My only purpose in posting here and elsewhere is to help America see and feel the gravity of the illegal immigration "problem." The fact that some of you don't "get it," is understandable given the slant in the mainline media. And if all of your concerns center around mistreatment of illegals, well I can appreciate that, but you/we can't allow those feelings of compassion to prevent us from acting to improve the situation. At the very least, we must insist that our government stop "playing" border security, and actually do what is necessary to STOP all illegal crossings. This won't happen until we stop minimizing the ill effects....

I will leave you with the following video from Atlanta News. It is chilling and underscores the fact that our government is sugar coating the whole affair.... Muslim terrorists ARE crossing the border and you can bet they aren't here to pick your radishes. Adios. Thanks for the dialog. I wish you all well....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

naughtius maximus
naughtius maximus

A more appropriate title would have been...a few responses to a few sentences that I picked out to naughtius comments....don't you think?

You "won't bother" to look up stats for your statements....nor will you buttress your claims. You clearly claim you state them once in your rambling paragraph then go on.Yet, your willing to continue on with mine (and taking me out of context) and others statements...and demand back up? That's pretty typical.

But, duly noted. Response forthcoming.

Marklizard
Marklizard

A few direct responses to Naughtius' comments:

"The simple, irrefutable, fact is that crime will exist no matter what."

Shouldn't this go without saying? Surely you are not insinuating that we shouldn't take reasonable precautions to minimize crime? Last I looked, 30 percent of people in federal prisons are illegal aliens.

"There's ill effects to anything."

Really?

"Ever stop to look at the positive aspects of this issue?"

Many times but they are severely outmatched but the negative ones. You underwhelm me with your examples...

"The families that we, as consumers, have encouraged to come."

Really? In what way? I have been an advocate for closed borders for 30 years. No one ever asked me if I was willing to pay more for American made or American labor. The decision was made for me and I refuse to share the blame or the responsibility. If you think that, by my voting, I am somehow responsible, then think again. Congress was hijacked long ago. There are few candidates for Congress now days that aren't bought and paid for. If you had blamed "government," or "big business," then I would agree with you.

"I've done it for the last 35 years and on a day to day basis. Is there bad? You bet, but on a scale far less than what I've seen by US citizens."

You must contend with some pretty corrupt U.S. citizens....Of course there are some very nice, hardworking, people here who happen also to be illegal, and who also happened to flout our laws and came here ahead of many waiting in line. Overall, if you worked in the public schools or some of the social agencies or in law enforcement, I believe you would sing a different tune.

Lastly, I take back what I said about you having a slight concern about illegal workers. Upon reading your post, I see none at all..... Cheers

Marklizard
Marklizard

Naughty One, I have said my piece and decline to rehash all that I've said in previous posts. By "alleged" I mean exactly that. Brewer has "alleged" that crime is a significant byproduct of illegal immigration. I have no reason to defend her or her motives. I have wondered if the law was written intentionally to be ineffective. But you and I don't agree that the fact that crime is going down in Arizona means that the impact of illegal alien crime is insignificant. We also don't agree on the seriousness of the combined deleterious effects of illegal immigration on this nation. You continue to make it appear as though the biggest problem we face is illegal workers and tend to minimize those negative impacts as well. You do not comment about the ever-present danger that someone, other than a willing worker, will cross the border and kill innocent people. In fact, you don't address the porous border at all in your posts or why it continues to be so. I do sense that you and I have had some very different first hand experiences with illegal immigration and that that largely drives our priorities. I will research further your allegations regarding EVerify. However, just as the government refuses to do anything effective with the border, it sounds like, from what you are saying, they largely sabotage any effort to rein in businesses who abuse the law. Your point regarding the impact of illegals on wages, I think, is probably your weakest argument. It is absolutely true that wages are connected to supply and demand. The more cheap workers, the less the employer has to pay. And there are many blue collar jobs impacted. Construction is a good example. As for whether or not taxes collected from illegals pay for all the extra costs in education, incarceration, food stamps, insurance, medical costs, law enforcement, etc. etc., I suppose you will believe what you want to believe but if you take the time to do a little figuring, I don't see how you could arrive at this conclusion. Folks at the lower end of the money scale have always (at least since the 60s), taken more than they've put in to the system. This is largely of necessity, due to the high cost of living in this country. Lastly, I laud you for your compassion towards illegals, if that, indeed, is what drives you to minimize their negative impact on our society. I, too, am troubled by the plight of, particularly the children of these families, who have had no say in the decisions of their parents. In sum, I doubt if you and I will come to terms on this issue. Your one phrase, "What logical people do is measure the ill against the good." says it all. I think after the "measuring," our firsthand experiences put us on opposite sides of the fence. I would be interested in any "solutions" you have to offer, Maybe you, like me, do not trust our present government, run by big business, to solve anything. If so, then, perhaps we can at least agree on that. All the best...

Marklizard
Marklizard

@Pitboss: Ah, finally something we can agree on. I, too, have wondered if the law wasn't enacted to "look" like the government was doing something about it, rather than to really do anything effective. It would seem that if the government were serious, they'd hire folks to police businesses to insure that they all use EVerify and severely fine them when they don't. Such fines could, theoretically, pay for the program which would have the effect of preserving jobs for citizens and dissuading illegals to come to Arizona. However, I take issue with your stance that the author and posters here are not minimizing the ill effects of illegal immigration. I am glad that you and I aren't, but too often, I have seen Brewer and the media and posters like Naughtious here act as though the alleged increase in crime is the biggest elephant in the room, dwarfing all other ill effects, and if you can somehow shrink the elephant, all other ill effects are of little consequence. If Obama and members of Congress really wanted to do something about it they would "really" seal the border and enact a federal program that punishes all businesses who benefit from hiring illegals. But you and I know it is all about exploiting the cheap labor and the potential votes of wouldbe future citizens....The new national guardsmen on the border are not permitted to arrest anyone but can only observe and report. Give me a break!

Pit Boss
Pit Boss

"But you and I know it is all about exploiting the cheap labor and the potential votes of wouldbe future citizens..."

All of the politicians are guaranteed to come out smelling like a rose to voters and illegal immigration will remain steady. You have a law that (on the surface) appeases the nativist neo-nazis' sense of hatred and anger, you have businesses that can continue to hire illegals without fear of being prosecuted because the LEOs will act as a shield to (meaning more votes) and you have a media whore/bring-it-on-because-I'm-paid-to-take-the-heat Sheriff who is effectively leading attention away from some shady shit going on in the state Legislature's office where LDS-types are trying to kick it old school Mormon style and inject religion into into their policies. yes, it's about cheap labor but it's also about VOTES.

naughtius maximus
naughtius maximus

The "alleged" increase in crime? Did you not read the story? If not here, on any other news site? Lizard, crime has been dropping in Arizona not just in the past year, but over the last several years, to include years when Napolitano was in office. The point of the story is the fear mongering and outright lies that Arizona is awash in violent crime due to illegals told by Brewer, Arpaio, Pearce and scores of others solely for the sake of garnering votes. That they are willing to demonize an entire race of people for the short term preservation of their political careers is disgusting. You ever stop to consider the long term impacts of this?

There's ill effects to anything. Anything. What logical people do is measure the ill against the good. In this case, there's also a compelling human factor involved.

The simple, irrefutable, fact is that crime will exist no matter what. Take out every illegal you want of any nationality/race (of course, let's then define who is/who isn't illegal)....is crime going to go away? What's the answer then? Who do you choose to persecute next? Who's fault is it going to be? You know, we Americans always have to point a finger and assign blame.

Ever stop to look at the positive aspects of this issue? Doubt it. Of course the economics of it don't matter to you, right? That we've got over 500k people here now that pay taxes on anything they buy or on their rent or on their mortgage. Oh, and also on their paycheck. And that Social Security realizes an excess of $6-8 Billion per year, attributed solely to illegal workers...means nothing right? Last I checked the tax enacted by Prop 101 didn't come with a waiver that says if your not here legally your exempt from this tax. You see anything like that? I can go on and on with examples...though it's doubtful they would have any impact on your reasoning. How about the families that are within our society? The families that we, as consumers, have encouraged to come.

The "elephant" you refer to you was created solely by Americans in their never ending quest for the cheapest price. Business will do what it takes to survive and that is meeting the needs and wants of the customer. That's the way it's always worked. The BS of illegals taking all the jobs and driving down the wages...most of those jobs have been minimum wage jobs to begin with. Don't know about you, but when I turned 16 and needed a job...sure, pay was nice but I didn't expect anything more than the $3.25 p/hr minimum wage. And I got it...bagging groceries, washing dishes...etc., I didn't complain. Those jobs are there for US Citizens. That they choose NOT to take them because "they don't pay enough" is a joke.

EVerify is by means a foolproof system. Ever use it? There's no LEO charged with oversight on it. Companies are expected to implement and police it themselves. I worked for a company that was extremely rigorous in their oversight of it. Thing is, it throws up TONS of false positives. And, while the employee is allowed to work up to 9 days (I may be wrong on the exact amount of days), if the issue is not resolved within that time, they cannot continue their employment. And, it is left ENTIRELY to the employee to resolve the situation. Also, don't tell me those cases are few and far between because they are not. The employer is not a police agency and they don't check on validity of the form of ID presented.

What's going on with 1070 and the current illegal hysteria is unreal. You like to speak about having to deal with "these people" and suppose that we all live in a sheltered world free of dealing with and interacting with people here illegally. I've done it for the last 35 years and on a day to day basis. Is there bad? You bet, but on a scale far less than what I've seen by US citizens.

Guest
Guest

So she helped her husband pretend to be a naturopathic doctor for 30 years and helped him get the initials NMD instead of ND behind his name and get an FDA prescription number (Az Rep May 11 & 12, 2001), she got her criminally insane kidnapper rapist son's criminal record locked up after she became the apparent gov, she talks like a stupid 2nd grader who hasn't been taught preper grammar, she giggles like a drunk in the middle of a debate and refuses to debate anymore - NONE OF IT MATTERS - the stupid old white people in AZ hate hispanics and they are going to vote her into a legitimate term in office. Az is a sick place - get out while you still can.

U.S. Citizen
U.S. Citizen

How is it possible that the FBI, the PEW center, and the government keep giving totals on illegal immigration? If they are that good at documenting illegal immigrants and have an accurate number where they are standing at our borders counting them as they go by when they enter our country then why do they chose to look the other way? Wouldn't they be held accountable under the color of law for not enforcing our laws? If the PEW center can accurately document illegal immigrants I would like to know how and maybe they can show the other government officials how and where they are. The other puzzling thing is that ICE and other agencies are saying that they have limited resources but yet in an education case in federal court it was stated that money could be of no issue when applying the rights.

naughtius maximus
naughtius maximus

http://www.azcentral.com/commu...

What was that about violent crime being down? Still want to dispute the Valley being the undisputed world champion of kidnapping?

Kinda funny if the good Cap'n ended up in Brewers' front yard.......sans head.

Cozland
Cozland

Brewer, although as dumb as they come, is just like any other politician, they will lie about anything to be reelected.None of them would know the truth from a pile of dogshit.

Johnny White Man
Johnny White Man

Hmmmmm.......

USADefecator1 is a "MORON!, jajajajaja"

FBI statistics were conclusive reports for the year 2009......

Klan Brewer didn't sign the abhorrent SB1070 until April 23rd 2010.......

Crimes was unusually higher in MSCO jurisdictions.......

arpaio lost all interests in respected LE duties, instead he retorts to organized mafia-like crime.

Daniel needs another shot of Whiskey.

Marklizard
Marklizard

Okay guys, you win. I give up. Illegal immigration is the best thing that's happened to this country since sliced bread. The more, the merrier, right? I have found a mile long section of the border that everyone gets through. I have also contacted a social worker in China and George Soros. The upshot is that next Monday, George and I are hosting 100 million illegal Chinese for a U.S. border crossing. As it turns out their government is tired of us complaining about their poor treatment of their citizenry and are more than happy to let us have this many. They will barely miss them... Of course, they are sending their poorest educated, just like Mexico. This is what you libs like, right? Just think, 100 million more votes for the Democrats! The Republicans will never know what hit them after comprehensive immigration reform goes into effect! Please post your contact information here as I will need several million illegal immigration sympathizers in this country to pull this off and house these folks while they look for jobs. As great as things are currently with 20 million illegals, just think how much better things will be with 100 million!! Thanks for setting me straight on this, guys. To think, I almost passed up this amazing opportunity!!!

Dave Too
Dave Too

Honestly I would take 1 Chinese immigrant either with or without papers over the likes of Marklizard or JT Ready or Glen Beck or Rush Limbaugh.

100 million would be great, imagine 100 million folks that would actually want to work.Now if we could get all the baby boomers off of social security it would be great.If we could get a law passed that rescinded the right to vote from anyone accepting money from the federal or state government it would be awesome.

Imagine a country where only those that did not take any kind of government money being able to vote on the issues. Would not have to worry about what the old timers thought, no need to listen to military contractors.Tax breaks are a form of government payment so the rich are right out and no longer a factor. Pork project would lose so much of their taste if the folks that benefited the most from them could no longer influence the people asking for those pork projects.

Only folks who are ABSOLUTELY UN-BEHOLDING to the government deciding the laws that would be great.

Live and Let Live
Live and Let Live

You forgot the "limitation of liability" provision of most State governments where they protect investors who invest in companies who harm citizens or the public welfare with their operations. This government subsidy is HUGE and often overlooked by Joe Republicans who proclaim themselves "self-made."

Individually owned businesses don't have this subsidy and are held liable totally for their actions in operating a sole proprietorship.

Of course you have all those people who earn so little that the tax codes don't apply to them but they are still protected by the U.S. Military and State militia (State Guard), walk on the sidewalks, breath the clean air, drink the clean water and dispose of their sewage into government built and run water treatment systems - and let's not forget the roads and freeways they travel on - ALL GOVERNMENT BENEFITS paid for by taxpayer dollars.

I'm guessing your attempt to absolve the entire U.S. voting public from responsibility for their own governance is pretty lame when you consider the above.

Look, the government is what it is - deal with it.

WallyK
WallyK

The poster Dave 2 obviously meant monetary benefits but your phrasing of what you do consider to be government benefits is rather revealing of your inner thinking.

That you included "breath the clean air, drink the clean water" as a benefit of government would be nice, unfortunately the air is not clean and the water while generally clear is NOT clean.

The big business that get the most hand outs from the state and federal governments are also the ones who have the most influence with those same bodies and are the biggest polluters and the regulatory agency's that are supposed to monitor them look the other way until they are sued to do their job.

Thedesertratz
Thedesertratz

Well there's a profound thought. Only one little glitch with that idea. Government has already gotten too big for that to ever happen. As a fifth generation native of Arizona, I am ashamed of my Governor and how she has defaced the value of this great state. Moreover, it seems as though the only really decent jobs are somehow Government related.

Marklizard
Marklizard

What ivory tower do Naughtius and the rest of you apologists for illegal immigration live in? Of course Brewer ought to get her facts straight but, come on folks, there are much bigger fish to fry here. As I said before, I have to think some of you just don't live in the impacted areas and, therefore, are unaware of/don't believe the "ill effects." You apparently haven't been hit by an illegal without insurance, or don't send your kids to a school that is "dumbed down" to meet the illegal population that struggles with a second language and undereducated parents who can't help them. You aren't aware that the average illegal family has four kids and each of them costs $10,000 a year in some states to educate, not including the free lunch and breakfast you provide with your tax dollars. You don't live in neighborhoods where children of illegals roam the streets, angry that they can't compete in this society. You obviously don't live in cities and towns rife with illegal gang populations. You haven't waited for hours in an emergency room full of illegals waiting for "free" (as in paid by me in the form of higher fees) medical care. You aren't aware that 30 percent of prisoners in federal prisons are illegals, paid for by you and me. You haven't tried to obtain a job in the building trades, warehouses, fast food restaraunts, etc and found that there were scores of eager illegals willing to take those jobs at wages that wouldn't pay your bills (remember, they are largely subsidized by your tax dollars so they don't have to earn all the money they would, otherwise need to thrive in this society). You haven't had a high school student try to find a summer job, only to learn most such jobs have all gone to illegals. You haven't lived in highly impacted communities where criminals, many of whom are illegals, make it unsafe for you to venture out of your apartment. You obviously haven't talked to illegals to learn that most don't care about our culture and our history. It is pretty much all about making more money, much of which is not spent in this country. You obviously haven't visited East L.A., or the myriad of slummy little Tijuana towns in California. You probably haven't heard of CAPS, the liberal, (yeah, more of you guys) organization that is against illegal immigration due to its ill effects on the environment and consumation of scarce resources. And, most importantly, you didn't watch the Atlanta news documentary of just who crosses the border, It is not all poor Mexicans looking to work. I wish. They come from scores of countries and several have been connected to terrorist organizations. Makes sense, doesn't it? There is no one at the border stopping terrorists and letting "hard working" Latinos in. They can all come in. Would you folks wait for a few buildings or a city....how about Tucson, to blow up before you'll wake up and smell the coffee? As for pure economics, about five years ago, a left-leaning publication I read (can't remember which one...do your own research) estimated the cost of government services to illegals to be about 11 billion a year in California, alone. I invite comments, but, please, don't fault one or points I made as the Naughty one did, and dismiss the rest. I challenge you not to major on the minors, not dwell on Brewer's exaggerations or about finding some nitpicky thing wrong with one or two of my facts. You can't honestly discount everything I say in broad strokes by finding one or two things to quibble with. Its the sum total of the ill effects that I wish you'll come to terms with. All the best....

Pit Boss
Pit Boss

You need to learn how paragraphs work. I don't think anyone is questioning the fact that illegals are a drain on society. What people are questioning is the idea that the AZ legislature has passed a law that does nothing to address the source of illegal immigration. It's essentially a tool to harass and divide.

Wouldn't logic dictate that the reason there are so many illegals in Arizona is because companies are hiring them at a "discount rate"? 1070 doesn't do much to address this. In fact, it leaves it up to Law Enforcement to go after the businesses. The DA cannot touch a business without a LEO's "authorization". Isn't that kind of odd? Isn't that basically saying we're leaving this whole thing up to our Law Enforcement Agencies? Now why would the Arizona Legislature write something with such a slant? Hmmmm...

Pit Boss
Pit Boss

Our heroic politicians have done what the vilest of politicians would never do: Use the death of one person for political gain. Sickening.

Also, anyone else notice that Pearce and Kavanagh are up to even MORE anti-brown people legislation?

http://www.azcentral.com/news/...

You'd think they were worried about Brewer losing in November, so they're trying to cram as many bigoted laws as they can for her to sign before they lose their meal ticket.

Noone
Noone

Anyone who thinks SB1070 is about race is a moron. It's about following the law.

Joe
Joe

It is about race. If you don't see that just remember when you point one finger 3 are pointing back at you. Jan Brewer is a liar, a politician who cares about nothing but money and her political career. She will say or do anything to keep hate and fear alive in our state. I live in souther Arizona and we are not hiding in our houses or fearful to walk the streets. Brewer is painting a picture that simply is not true.

GENO
GENO

Also, on a second thought. I'm willing to bet that crime will soar once that Leather-face twit is elected in office. Starting in 2011, crime will increase dramatically under Klan Brewer's dark reign of tyranny.

GENO
GENO

"Montana and South Dakota"Shows us that Natives are peaceful people, eh? But anyways, kudos to the FBI aks THE FEDERALS, for showing the Nation the truth. This is actually a slap across the face of that Leather-face Gov. of ours.

WhoKnows
WhoKnows

The real question is if she lied on purpose or if she's just too stupid to know she lied!

Marklizard
Marklizard

Yeah, ya suppose crime has gone down because people like this blogger scream "foul" and "hate," or because there are folks out there like Arpaio and Brewer who are actually doing something about it? Again, to split hairs about some exaggerations made by Brewer is missing the point that illegal immigration produces many ill effects on society. If you can't see this, you either suffer from latent masochistic tendencies, or you do not live in communities that are heavily impacted by these ill effects. If someone breaks into my home and attempts to take what he wants and I do something to drive him off, I do it not out of "hate" but out of my right to protect what is mine. I have little quarrel with folks coming over the border to better their lives. If I were in their shoes I might give it a try as well. But I do have a quarrel with a government that won't get the job done and seal the border and instead chooses to quote comparative stats like this blogger. For example, for the sake of argument, if there are 300 murders one year and 250 the next, is that cause for rejoicing, especially when those crimes could have been prevented? Maybe when one of these border crashers ends up blowing up a few buildings (as in, "terrorist"), you'll finally get it, but I pray you'll come to your senses before then. This should not be just a Dems-Reps thing. Its about national sovereignty and national security. I used to think everyone was for that.....Also, all this money I am shelling out in my taxes to support this population and help their employers grow richer....isn't that taxation without representation? Forced philanthropy is not philanthropy at all, but tyrrany.

naughtius maximus
naughtius maximus

All white people commit murder.All black people are drug users.

Because, you know, why split hairs about some exaggerations?

Arizona, and most of the United States have thoroughly enjoyed the economic benefits of the "ill effects" of illegal immigration for the last 30 years.

I'm interested to hear what Jan Brewer has done during her time as Governor to deter violent crime. Likewise with Arpaio.

USAdefender1
USAdefender1

Hummmmmm.....

Napolitano leaves the state and crime goes down.........

Arpaio began crime suppression sweeps 3 years ago and crime goes down.......

Thousands of illegal aliens leave the state and crime goes down......

I'm sorry Dodo Bird you were saying???????????

USAdefender1

Pit Boss
Pit Boss

So you are admitting that she's a liar, right? Well at least that's a start. Baby steps.

naughtius maximus
naughtius maximus

Yes, because all those stopped in the "crime suppression" sweeps were due to traffic violations, right? or is it the location where they are conducted? like outside car washes or the Mesa public library?

Concerned Citizen
Concerned Citizen

And she's done more to destroy tourism in Arizona besides Sen. Russell Pearce. Meanwhile, undoing the damage will take years!

naughtius maximus
naughtius maximus

She never has honestly backed off the headless bodies story....She shouldn't be let go so easily on that.

Though she seems to have been given a free pass on the "most illegals are drug mules" claim.

Simply amazing how politicians are being given carte blanche to lie.

Truth08
Truth08

Forgot to mention, "Az., is unsafe and being over-run!". Lastly, "my father fought the Nazi's in WW-2!"

Habitual liar our, "Crusty 'ol Leather Mitt", running this State is.

Regards,Truth08

Marklizard
Marklizard

My God, haven't you seen the signs the feds put up in the desert suggesting that we not go in there due to the crime? Haven't you seen the videos and photos of armed illegals passing through the desert, the debry, the video of the van that smashed into a car, and the 24 illegals that emerged and ran off without even making sure the folks in the car they hit were alright? Are you really unable to see the deleterious effects on social and educational services? Can't you see that "improvement" on a porous border is no substitute for closing it? Didn't you see the Atlanta news report showing lists of Muslim terrorists crossing the border? Why do you continue to major on the minors when there are majors aplenty to be discussed?

Matt2010
Matt2010

This is all Republicans have. That preach fear, hate, and division. A real leader knows how to unite the community and instill hope and faith.Republicans like Brewer, Pierce, Glen Beck, and Sarah Palin aren't leaders."Beware of those who try to divide you and bring disunity". That's somewhre in the New Testament.

Arizona's Politics
Arizona's Politics

Thanks for that, FB! Here's one of her interviews where she talks about how dangerous Arizona is because of illegal immigration: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... ("We're out her on the battlefield...with all the crime that comes with it," and "...the terror that our citizens live with day in and day out...."

(Also, check out the Fact Check we just published on the independent ads attacking Democrats for voting for cutting Medicare: www.arizonaspolitics.com )

Tucson Liberal
Tucson Liberal

Racist, reactionary, and scary. And unless we all get off our butts, go out campaigning and donate money to the right folks Brewer will be our ELECTED Governor for the next four (eight????) years. We are the laughing stock of the nation... and it's going to get worse

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