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There's a special place in Hell reserved for people who do things like this.

Salvadore "Bonehead" Reza could have prevented this tragic situation by assisting the young mother obtain citizenship. Bonehead could have commenced an "employer sponsor" visa application or could have gotten her competent immigration counsel to file papers with USCIS.

Having two children would build a good case for her remaining here if it creates an "undue hardship" being deported. Actually "The Boner" can still help her in her upcoming immigration proceedings. Of course, he's so preoccupied with his self-indulgent anti-Arpaio crusade that he probably doesn't ever think about REALLY helping this family.

Shame on Bonehead Reza.

The Class West

Class West,

Sal Reza is not an immigration attorney nor is he an employer. He is someone who has dedicated his life to helping others. I guess thats enough of a reason for some people to dislike him. He also never met the women and if you actually watched the video you would know that she was taken by MCSO terrorist thugs in ski masks and he didn't have the chance to help her at all.
You know even less about the law than you do about Sal Reza so perhaps you should go pretend you are somebody somewhere else.

While Arpaio's MCSO Circus show was wasting my $$,
Phoenix PD did more to stop illegal immigration but without endangering public safety or creating a media circus.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2009/01/10/20090110drophouse-ON.html

When are the Sheriff Joe supporters going to look at the numbers and realize whats really going on?

Class West, it's so obvious that you don't know a thing about this immgration debate. Go back to listening to Rush, you POS.

There are no longer means for legal entry like having employers sponsoring one or obtaining citizenship.. one has to become a legal resident before that can happen and for that to happen the laws have to change. You ignorant fool.

And as to the issue of filming an undercover operation; if it were so undercover then why the heck did Apraio send out a press release about this operation? Not the sharpest tool in the shed, but perfect for late night shows, eh? C'mon, think about it.

Besides, what is so "undercover" about busting someone who's probable cause to question them was to drive with out the lights on. I've accidentally done that plenty of times when I pull out of my driveway at night. It takes a few seconds then i realize they're off and I turn 'em on. You need undercover masked officers for that? Now that's an excellent use of our tax-payer money.

Go ahead and keep supporting this fool.. I'm tired of money wasted down the drain.

Poor choice of words there CooperG. The video doesn't show the women to be a "violent brown lady". Simply because she may or may not be an illegal immigrant. She is confused and distressed about the whole ordeal and naturally as a mother who is worried about the safety of her children. And for some odd reason, this particular incident seems to amuse and aroused the acrid crowd of vile hatemongers, you know? Those lesser forms of vapid folks dying of old age who supports this kind inhumanity. Well, I'd be happy when half of them die of old age or natural causes.

The Cowpoke Saddlebagger Coz gives us another illiterate comment:

"The Classless West can't don't Esperanza."

What??????

Cut down on your methamphetamine and try to limit yourself to 24 beers a day, Coz. That's a start.

The Class West

Lone Wolf Redskin

What the hell are you talking about? I didn't post anything here until now.

And what's with all of the "Lone Wolf" monikers around here? Are you part of group the National Geographic Channel spoke about on their TV on skinheads? I can't remember the guy's name, but he was trying to set up "lone wolves" all over the place to spread lies and hate.

PENA you are a fake and your hiding under a hole ar pie o skirts. i hope this happens to your kids, you are not mexican.
he will do another sweep unannounced as he had more people protesting than he arrested!!!
what police work here so unprofessional, all in law enforment should be ashamed to be a part of this.
put the name of this old fart on the web,

total ass holes !!! go home with that warm fuzzy feeling you did a good job???
have another drink

The Class West is really "Equity Services."
He sent me an email with the poorly written lawsuit on my YouTube Account this morning as Class West but the lawsuit mentions Equity Services as the firm. Its the same one "Equity" would annoy us by posting all the time causing us to have to scroll past to ignore.
He also is trying to use the same tactic he used on another New Times Blog (Not Feathered Bastards) where he finds names, addresses and posts them and also calls to harrass in the middle of the night. He is unstable.

He posted mine after calling at 3:00AM several months ago, New Times yanked his comments because of it. An unusually childish tactic for a fake law firm to use. Read his comments above concerning Stacey Paratore, he is trying it again.

Class West,
Read policies concerning posting on New Times before you have to change your identity again. And regardless of how hard you try, even Andrew Thomas is smarter then to employ your childish firm for anything.

You dumb shit MCSO trolls don't have anything better to do than post pro-joke crap on every board.

Now shithead, let me talk real slow so you can get this through your thick skull.....filming a traffic stop from a distance on private property.....a strip mall parking lot.....is 100% legal. Here's the statue you conviently quote and it doesn't apply here, so go back to your Title 13 and find something else......

13-2409. Obstructing criminal investigations or prosecutions; classification

A person who knowingly attempts by means of bribery, misrepresentation, intimidation or force or threats of force to obstruct, delay or prevent the communication of information or testimony relating to a violation of any criminal statute to a peace officer, magistrate, prosecutor or grand jury or who knowingly injures another in his person or property on account of the giving by the latter or by any other person of any such information or testimony to a peace officer, magistrate, prosecutor or grand jury is guilty of a class 5 felony, except that it is a class 3 felony if the person commits the offense with the intent to promote, further or assist a criminal street gang.

That Posse Member very respectfully asked the man to stop filming, and explained why, even asking him "please", yet he continued filming anyway.

Total and utter disrespect and contempt for the law.

To label this "racial profiling" is intentionally misleading. They appear to have been pulled over for not having their headlights on, which Lemons dishonestly casts aspersion on as a reason for a traffic stop.

If there ends up being a violent conflict over this illegal immigration issue, it will be because of Reza, Lemons, Gilman and others encouraging illegal aliens to break the law, and fanning the flames of hatred against legitimate law enforcement.

We are still laughing hysterically at the illegal alien Maria's comments. Here's a sample:

"PENA you are a fake and your hiding under a hole ar pie o skirts. i hope this happens to your kids, you are not mexican."

Notice the ignorance, the illiteracy, and racism in these tequila-soaked comments. She doesn't capitalize the "i" in the second sentence, doesn't captalize the "m" in Mexican. Low self-esteem probably, having to hide all the time because of her illegal status.

"(Y)ou are not (m)exican," she rants, as if Mexicans are the only people who count. She doesn't give one damn about Guatemalans, Peruvians, Ecuadorans, Colombians, and many other "brown" people.

Deport Maria immediately!

The Class West

"What the hell are you talking about? I didn't post anything here until now."

My bad.
The name was a typo on my part. My comment was directed at FrankG. But a last, knowing that you post on here from time to time, its clearly obivious that you read these blogs frequently like everyone else. Otherwise you wouldn't have addressed my misguided comment. Relax, no pun intended. I'm a Feathered Bastard fan.
As far as your other comment goes concerning my user name is irrelevant. This isn't about me or my name or having any connections to the bonehead "skinhead" scene/movement. But since you asked, then allow me to explain it.
"Redskin" actually means that I'm a Native and "Lone Wolf" (was/is) has always been an indigneous given names famously for Natives long before "a Hardy Lloyd" ever created it. Now its a catch phrase regarding an individual regardless if he is "skinhead" or not. I don't know anything about that "National Geographic Channel" you are referring to. But however, my point is that the woman arrested in this incident didn't appear to be "violent" (or resisting arrest, otherwise excessive force would be used). as FrankG have put it. And I thought that was a misquote by him. So there you have it.
If anyone is "violent" its a typical natavist thug high on methaphetamines. How many of them are law breakers besides Anna Gaines, J.T. Ready or a "Bison" Dick Galeener??? And I have yet, to see Dennis Gilman break the law, and Lo and Behold, he has not. That makes him a Bona Fide citizen than the average natavist.

Hey The Class-Less West,
Hows it feel to be a Bozo Joke Cock Sucker Like You ?

Bozo Joke Arpaio and his Monkey's, a total Embarrassment to all of Maricopa County and Human Decency in general...

Marcos From Mesa make yet another uneducated statement.

Sal Reza is not an immigration attorney nor is he an employer.

Sal Reza is the #1 slave trade owner in the County. He self indulgence in promoting and preserving illegals labor, not unlike a pimp for illegals. Reza and his groups profits have been tracked and possible legal action will be seen later this year,

I think I speak for all the intelligent people on here when I say Fuck Joe Arpaio and his Steroid taking, illiterate, RACIST, redneck, butt boys in the MCSO!! Why not see what he ate for breakfast you cowardly little sheep!! How's it feel to be part of the herd? BAAAAAAH!!!! Taking a Mother from her kids and I don't even want to here one thing from you stupid Republican motherfuckers, you don't know shit. Even the Gold Water Institute says Arpaio is full of shit!!! Arpaio's going down in 2009, Karma's a bitch!!!

Juan Rodriguez-Guttuierez Pena says = Dumbshit

Bozo Joke Arpaio and his Monkey's will never be legitmate law enforcement, just corrupt criminals with badges.

>>legitimate law enforcement.

The Joke fans and his paid posters from the Wells Fargo building must be getting worried, as evidenced by their posts here!

The circus in Buckeye got little or no press, other than stories that made fun of the failure it was! (and I don't just mean the New Times...)

And his reality show was not only a disaster with noise-level ratings, but the cost to taxpayers seems to be simply outrageous!

What's next from the Joker? He's only got a few days until there will be Feds in place that will show him for the idiot he is, on the national stage.

And Thomas.. Will you look into Arpaio's unreported real estate deals? You know... the exact same things you're dragging Stapley through the mud about!

Get your popcorn folks! It won't be a good spring for Arpaio!

To the stupid fuck who said try to walk through the police line,

What is your major malfunction dumbass? There was no fucking yellow tape in that parking lot.......only an idiot would try to cross a police line......so anyway.....did you find another statue which applies to your theory?

The trolls have lost a bit of quality since Pauly no-nuts left the ass kissing PR unit.

I've never seen a larger group of misinformed miscreants in my life than the comment posters here. I see a whole lot of Internet Tough Guys(Gals, and somewhere in between) as well as a lot of couch loudmouths. I only see videos from Dennis and Sal, and THEY are the only ones in their videos. Where are all of the rest of you? Protesting at home in silence? Oh wait, you think the comments on the New Times blog is a protest, that it is some sort of action. Ha! You people are useless warts on the ass of the county.

You people stink at creating change, you write all this and that about how you hate MCSO and you think this and that about Joe and his posse, but you know what, for all of the protest and videos, nothing has changed. Nothing is going to change. There are going to be more crime suppression sweeps, and he might even tell you EXACTLY where the command post is going to be AGAIN so you can show up with 15 people and a megaphone, only to go home at 8:30pm because your fat asses are getting too cold again. For all you say about Joe being a joke, YOU people are the REAL joke. People are laughing at YOU and your lame protests, dumb chants and poorly spelled protest signs.

The MCSA and ACORN and the rest of you do one thing REALLY well, and that's to draw lots of publicity FOR the Sheriff. He couldn't ask for a better PR firm than you. Just when you stop hearing about the Sheriff on TV or in print, all of a sudden you guys get yourselves arrested by acting like idiots again, thus, Sheriff Joe is back in the spotlight. He LOVES you guys. Really he does.

So go on with your pithy comments about this or that, making up your little names for people, saying what you will about each other, but I'll see the same 15 idiots standing out with the same stupid banners and signs they always have, doing nothing at all but getting a good chuckle from everyone who drives by.

The antics of Lemons and his anarchist crew just prove that the suicidal insanity of white liberals knows no bounds of decency or common sense.

California is already going bankrupt because of the billions spent on illegals, in addition to having the burden of having battle and incarcerate violent Mexican gangs, so why would Arizonans possibly want to allow their state to meet the same fate?

There must be some sort of suicidal death wish implanted in the subconscious minds of white and jew liberals to make them pursue and promote such blatantly destructive social and fiscal policies.

Of course, since it will be primarily other citizens bearing the burden in increased taxes, traffic, crime, filth and eventual bankruptcy, why should Lemons and crew care... as long as they can get their cheap Mexican weed and hookers, they feel comfortable advocating for the destruction of the way of life of millions of their own people.

Is that a fair trade off... allowing Phoenix to become Tijuana north, so Lemons and co. can get their decadent indulgences without having to travel south of the border?

Why don't you guys just move to Tijuana or any other Mexican city if you like Mexicans so much?

That's the thing about white and jew liberals... they never want to actually relocate to the places whose "culture" and population they're trying to import... they always want to drag unwanted peoples and ways into new, pristine territory.

They get some kind of juvenile, pathological thrill from besmirching anything clean, safe, prosperous and orderly. Witness the way Lemons is so eager to have Phoenix light rail cars covered in graffiti... yet the guy will never just relocate to NYC or any other city which already is, and already has, the very things he claims to want most.

It's because Lemons and co. don't actually like the things they promote... what they really like is the act and process of destruction... of experiencing the thrill of destroying something they could never build or maintain.

Their motivation is likely to fulfill some subconscious resentment at the prosperous, healthy, clean, capable, orderly people they have never felt part of, or equal to. So they try to drag everyone and everything down to a level of dirt and chaos they can feel comfortable in.

Sad, and sick, but true.

Care to refute Lemons?

(sarcasm intended) The deputies and posse members involved in this latest 'raid' must be VERY proud of what they are doing.

Honestly, I can't believe the wheezer who told the gentleman with the camera he couldn't take pictures of an 'undercover' officer because, "it's against the law". Whose law?

I think we can only appeal to those at MCSO and the arpaio supporters to PLEASE research actual statute before spouting off with imaginary law.

Like the Titanic, arpaio is taking this ship and all it's riders and employees along with him and it sinks into oblivion. The smart folks will get off NOW, while they still have time to survive.

Several arpaio supporters who post here really do know the difference. They just haven't worked up the courage to confront arpaio for what he is. Sun City Bob knows, and will eventually come around to the 'real' side of reality. He just has a personal issue with some of the folks here and spouts off just to piss them off. But he really does know what arpaio is doing, and based on his stated experiences he knows it's only a matter of time until the Rule of Reciprocity kicks in and arpaio is eaten alive by his own misdeeds and criminal acts.

You folks may remember a former coach of the Arizona Cardinals, Dennis Green. Can you see some strong parallels between arpaio and Mr. Green? Where is he now? Remember the temper tantrums and spitting and sputtering at press conferences? Remember how anything that went wrong simply wasn't his fault?

Yep, we just need some folks at the state and federal level to start caring about what is going on in Maricopa County. Until then, arpaio will continue to run rampant.

I can only imagine, the two undercover "cops" sitting in Church yesterday after carrying out this dirty trick on an innocent mother.

May they rot in hell....hypocrites!!!!

also, if you support this and one of your pro arguements is "they use social resources and drain the economy", let me enlighten you real quick geniuses...first, 200 cops on overtime to arrest 8 people, is a media stunt not the proper use of resources..unless you think 3000$ for one arrest is logical, in which case im going to ask you to seek lots of professional help, maybe even admit yourself 51/50...now for my favorite part, you idiots who say that "illegals" drain our local economy couldnt be more wrong, and it makes me want to laugh in all of your faces...they actually make up roughly 30% of our local economy, so thanks for your help in killing it and supporting arpaio in adding to our 1.2 billion dollar debt...

David Saint, care to post any reputable and documented links to prove your claims about illegals, benefits and the economy?

With regard to the cost of Arpaio's raid... it makes a statement, and that statement alone is worth millions in illegal repelling publicity.

Check this... if those illegals were fucking scientists and engineers, and bringing jobs, companies and technology to Arizona and the US, I'd say "hell yeah, let 'em in"... but they're not... they're stupid, primitive, benefit gobbling, gang forming, meth smuggling, crime causing, spanish speaking, mestizo indian invaders, the same kind our ancestors repelled repeatedly through the history of this country.

So THAT'S why I say "hell no, get 'em the f out".

Simple as that... it's a quality of life and quality of population issue.

Bring in asian immigrants by the hundreds of thousands, to start companies and live respectfully the way the asians in california do, and you'd hear nary a peep out of most of us "racist" citizens rallying against the messicans.

Just because asian immigrants behave and contribute to society, while mestizo immigrants and black transplants don't, doesn't make us protesters "racist"... it makes those insufferable black and mestizos lousy community members.

We have researched the U.S. Attorneys manual and reasonably believe that this woman will be allowed to stay. They usually will not try to deport in a case like this involving very minor local charges. Possibly some minor penalties, after which she will be on her way to a visa and citizenship.

Actually Joe Arpaio and the MCSO have done her a favor, while "Slop Gut" Reza never did anything.

As a citizen, this woman and her kids will be free - free to join a union and say good-bye to Reza's slave labor shop.

This is a UNION issue, Reza, you lowlife SCAB, you minimum wage whore. May the AFL-CIO have NO MERCY on you.

The Class West,

by Ted Medina, TheClassWest@gmail.com

Hardship to US citizen children is not grounds for waiver of deportation - the standard is hardship to US citizen or LPR spouse. So, unless she is married to a US citizen or permanent resident, this poor woman probably has no legal recourse.

It's disgusting that the Sheriff's Office is spending their time rounding up and deporting mothers who have an outstanding warrant for a traffic ticket. He is ruining lives and ruining families all in the name of racism and xenophobia.

Even if he she/he/it is an immigration attorney, so what? Most of them are cowards who sell out their clients. If this shyster is a real lawyer, he could argue a case for her, get a stay, or try for amnesty/asylum based on the terrible violence in Mexico (if that's where she's from).

The punk cries for the illegals, but what does he do? Like the Lemons and Reza, he does nothing.

Immigration attorney, what's your State and Bar ID number? You know the drill - then comes the Bar complaint.

The Class West, Ted and Ray Medina

There is hope with this case. Thank God Sal Reza had the balls to stay and film and make contacts with this family.
And thank God for Respect Respeto-Lydia Guzman for helping with this case. Immigrants work hard, pay taxes and do more then most of the KKave creek losers do to make this a better country. Many have died defending it since WW 2 and even in Iraq. They are not criminals. They are human beings trying to make the best life they can for their children.
Mr. Lemons said it very well. She is n't the murderer Arpaio was looking for. And no matter what the racist hatemongers post, more violent crime and murders are committed by white citizens. Everyone knows it.
David Saint is correct-they contribute at least 30% of our local economy and deserve to be treated much better.

Let me get this straight. When Sheriff Joe Asshole was sworn in by an "immigrant" from Mexico City, and if I recall his name to be a Jose Bello. The corrupted asshole who regards himself "the toughest blah blah blah" was quoted in the local media as stating that he supports "legal immigration" to which he also imply that he's for anyone who comes here legally. In other words, that will make him "pro-immigration". If you need to, just simply dig up the article put out by AZCentral on the date of the Joker`s "swearing in by a former illegal alien."

Wow....

Now with that being said, it doesn't sound much like what many of these toothless, knock-weed neanderthals who post on here decrying, bitching and denigrating Hispanics who are as Hispanic as C.A. County Attorney`s ugly wifey, the bribed immigrant who swore in Joe or even that little criminal tresspasser anti-Hispanic Hispanic Anna Gaines who hangs around the very retarded scum buckets who hate her guts simply because she happened to be a "Mexican". Although they won't tell her that directly in person. So the bottom line is that your diaper wearing Juan Wayne wannabe Sheriff Joe Asshole is "Pro-Legal-immigrant". This is after the statement he put forth on the local media for all to hear. Sorry to break that news to you backwooded Jesthros where you all look a lot like the ones appearing in the "FACES OF METH", the picturiques of a true natavist.
Otherwise, the words gloated from Joe`s trap might surely come back to haunt him.

Mr. Redneck Slasher--

Well, let's see: Pedro trims your trees and mows your lawn in the middle of a blazing Phoenix summer, for peanuts. That doesn't seem quite equivalent to lifting your wallet, "Dude". Neither does flipping your hamburgers for minimum wage or washing your dishes in some hot kitchen while you chow down on cheap eats.

As for "illegal is illegal" let's not forget that the vast majority of the folks pulled in by ICE are NOT charged with a criminal offense but are being held as CIVIL DETAINEES. Which part of "civil detainees" don't you understand?

Too bad that "Rule of Law" doesn't understand the fact that, under the U.S. Constitution, it is not random right-wing blog commenters, or the historical sources they quote (whether correct, mistaken, fabricated, or simply taken out of context) which determines "the meaning" of constitutional amendments. Rather, it is the U.S. Supreme Court in its formal decisions.

If you don't like it, and think that the Judicial branch is way out of line, stop calling yourself "Rule of Law" and start agitating for revolution. Otherwise, shut the feck up, you right-wing nincompoop.

"The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court. . . The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority. . .

http://www.law.emory.edu/law-library/research/ready-reference/us-federal-law-and-documents/historical-documents-constitution-of-the-united-states/article-iii-the-judicial-branch.html

Getting bonded out is one thing, getting a hardship waiver is entirely different. Cancellation of removal is also very different than obtaining a hardship waiver, which is what I took exception to in the original post and sought to correct with my comment. Most persons who receive relief from deportation get a 601 waiver, which as I said above, is granted on hardship to a US citizen or LPR spouse. Mr. Lemons' immigration attorney expert friends are technically correct that this woman MAY be eligible for cancellation of removal, but I bet they did not tell you that "extreme unusual hardship" has been interpreted in the case law to a very, very, high bar that virtually no one can meet. So unless this woman's children are dying and cannot receive life-saving medical treatment in their country of origin, she is not going to obtain cancellation of removal. In my opinion, advising someone to seek cancellation of removal except in extreme, egregious circumstances is probably not warranted and is just used a tool to buy time.

Gilman speaks as if there's only one person involved here. And what does "Equity Services" have to with anything?

Looks like he's playing defense lawyer for the City of Phoenix. Good luck, chump. With idiots like you on their side, we'll have no problem.

The Class West

by Ray Medina

Immigration Attorney,

Thanks for the learned feedback in this emotionally-charged blog intentionally instigated by Stephen Lemons. You offer some welcome relief from Gilman.

Regarding that idiot, he took the picture of the undercover deputy that has been posted by Lemons and New Times. Any chance that Gilman could be charged/indicted on a felony obstruction charge?

We would like to discuss these issues further. If you will, send an E-mail to TheClassWest@gmail.com.

The Class West, Ray Medina

I have yet, to see an uncleaned, unhygienic natavist vermint picking up a leaf/white trash blower or pushing a lawn mower and maintaining the grounds of public/private properties. Since, I'm from the East Valley, simply drive around to any apt complex or a business venture w/ grass/trees ecetera and there you will see the Hispanics doing the jobs that not even a typical whitey who is a high school drop-out would do. The weaklings defined by many as "natavists" those pro-Arp-assholes supporters whose average out door activities is extremely limited, because of the whiteness of their skin. Which is probably why none of them could keep their yards clean. They have 4ft high weeds, broken down cars/trucks and budlight beer cans strewn about their pesky yards. They make the "barrios" look like Disneyland.
As far as the hospitals are concerned. The vast majority of folks who comes through the emergency rooms hour after hour are the usual suspects--the "Sun City Bobs" types, ya know, the ones who are aging as arpaio. Walk into any emergency room and there you will see. Its all just based on observerance.

Sorry Pulsifer, I meant to address that last post of mine to you, and accidentally put your name in the box instead.

classless west,
Are you kidding me? For one thing Gilman is using his own name, Chickenshit! What he is doing is documenting the truth. You know, WHAT IS REALLY HAPPENING. Pictures and video's don't lie. If you don't like the truth then go crawl into the cave you came from.
I appreciate anyone who is willing to stand up for the truth and willing to put themselves on the line. Thank you Dennis, Steve, Lydia, Salvador and all the others who are willing to take their own time to help people. What a concept. Sounds like real Americans to me. Or at least what I would hope that America is still about.

classless west,
Are you kidding me? For one thing Gilman is using his own name, Chickenshit! What he is doing is documenting the truth. You know, WHAT IS REALLY HAPPENING. Pictures and video's don't lie. If you don't like the truth then go crawl into the cave you came from.
I appreciate anyone who is willing to stand up for the truth and willing to put themselves on the line. Thank you Dennis, Steve, Lydia, Salvador and all the others who are willing to take their own time to help people. What a concept. Sounds like real Americans to me. Or at least what I would hope that America is still about.

Please, please be standing on the front line when it does.

>>A legal massacre soon to be played out.
The Class West

If you don't like us your daugthers will.
So we are here to stay so you love it or YOU leave it.
God bless the USA

Mexican Claims to Southwestern U.S. Lands Spurious

Having witnessed the effects of all but unchecked illegal immigration of Mexicans into the Southwest United States and listening to what the Mainstream Media refers to as the 'debate' on the topic, there are several persistent themes I have wondered about when listening to pro-immigrant supporters. Of late I have perused and very soberly examined several sources that conclusively prove the claims of the pro-immigration crowd and so-called Reconquista supporters are spurious and not based upon facts.

One assertion the pro-immigrant and pro-illegal crowd often advances is that what is now the southwest United States was ancestral lands of the Indians that later constituted what are now known as Mexicans after extensively intermarrying with the Spanish. In short, the modern Mexican state implies and many Mexicans outright assert the lands of the Southwest United States were theirs and were stolen through conquest by Americans and supporters of the nascent Texas Republic. Not true at all. When the Spanish arrived in the lands that now constitute modern Mexico, the Indian indigenous and aboriginal population was centered in the areas referred to by geographers and historians as Mesa Central and Oaxaca, far from the Rio Grande and the modern U.S.-Mexico border.

No people that consider themselves Mexicans today nor any of the Indian tribes or clans that intermarried with the Spanish heavily in central Mexico were anywhere near what is now the Southwest United States. In fact what became the Southwest United States was inhabited in 1528 -- the onset of Spanish rule in Mexico -- by North American plains and agricultural Indians. The tribes then arrayed along what became the modern border were: Yuma, Maricopa, Chiricahua, San Carlos, Mescalero, Comanche, Apache, Tonkawan and Karankawa. I am not aware that any current members of those tribes claim any affiliation with Mexico or claim to have Mexican citizenship rights.

The tribes that later became the slaves of the Spanish and, technically, Mexican through intermarriage with the Spanish and members of the Spanish colony of Mexico were: Opata, Seri, Tarahumare, Yaqui, Mayo and Teperhuanes. Those tribes were settled mostly in temperate central Mexico and had no holdings anywhere near the Modern U.S.-Mexican border. It was through the establishment of the encomiendero and hacienda economic systems that took the Spanish and many of their subservient aboriginal Mexicans to the less arable lands north and east toward the Rio Grande and the area of the modern Gadsden Purchase. No aboriginal peoples who later came to constitute the ancient or modern Mexican state resided in the lands that became modern California, Arizona, New Mexico or Texas. The area of modern Mexico referred to by the Spanish as Mesa Del Norte and constitutes the modern Mexican states of Chihuahua, Coahuila, Durango and Sonora were, in 1540, sparsely populated due to the desert climate and annual rainfall of less than 10 inches per year.

By 1572 there were some 507 Spanish-ruled encomiendas in Mexico and were concentrated in the regions known as Mesa Central in Yucatan and on the Oaxaca Plateau – far, far from any lands that became the modern American nation. What finally took the Spanish and their ancient Mexican slaves farther north was the introduction of cattle and horses from Spain. This spurred a northward movement, though not to any lands that later became America, to the grasslands north of modern Mexico City that were able to support domesticated livestock. These facts alone undermine the claim of many that the Southwestern United States were somehow always ancestral lands of aboriginal Mexicans. By 1810, though, the encomiendas and haciendas In the areas north of Oaxaca had not done well, speaking to the fact the aboriginal Mexicans never had an incentive to move north and into lands that later became the American Southwest. The land in northern Mexico and south of the modern international border was – and still is – very poor and not suited to the agricultural systems of the aboriginal Mexicans. The Spanish in 1810 recorded 4944 substantial holdings in Mexico of the hacienda and estancia de ganado (cattle stations) types. Of those holdings 79 were in the eastern provincial areas of Nuevo Lѐon, Nuevo Santander, Coahuila and southwestern Texas. There were 232 holdings in Durango, Sonora, and what later became New Mexico. In southern Mexico there were 4633 Spanish holdings. In California there were none.

The Spanish holdings in Texas and New Mexico were encroaching upon the ancestral lands of Southwestern Indian tribes and were established through military force and conquest by the Spanish in the name of their king. The later moves by the Spanish and their aboriginal Mexican slaves north and east of the Rio Grande and into Arizona, California and New Mexico were purely a product of Spanish Imperialism, the search for wealth and the urge to add lands to the Spanish Empire. Those moves displaced Indian tribes indigenous to the areas, none of which claim any ancestral or modern affiliations with Mexico or Mexican nationality. The Texans later shed the rule of the despotic Santa Ana. Those Texans were then, legally, citizens of Mexico who revolted; there was no land grab by the American government that displaced Mexicans in Texas. Indeed the Americans later did displace the Spanish north of the modern international boundary, but those lands were ancestral to Indians of the Southwestern tribes.

It is interesting that modern Mexicans assert some sort of claim or indemnity upon land in the United States that was stolen from indigenous North American Indian tribes by the Spanish. That the Americans later dispossessed the American Indian tribes is certainly an injustice but has no bearing upon any claims made by Mexican nationalist groups.

In light of the facts cited herein, from whence comes the claims of La Raza and Reconquista groups that Mexicans have a “right” to land that was never theirs and stolen – for a time – from North American Indians by the Spanish Conquistadors ?

Hey Dude,
It was President Dwight D. Eisenhower that ordered Operation Wetback, one of his worse moments and an embarassment to this Nation and his presidency.

And I don't think Rossevelt was a jerk but you sure are.

To the dude that says he is chris Long,
Someone already posted your trashy writting on another blog. You are confused and don't understand Native Americans and indigenous peoples. You confuse them with Spanerds which are as bad as Anglos for conquests and stealing land. The Lakota, Tonahata as well as many other tribes are all closely related and the border is truely a white mans invention.

I'm sick like Ike when I'm on the mic,
Run down some illegals when I'm on the Pike,
Ran one over and stole his bike,
Then laughed & shouted 'that's for Nappy the Dyke!'

Who gives a rat`s ass about Teddy Roosavelt`s operations decades ago, as if it had any effect on the current Hispanic populace, to which it does not. What matters is the current situation affecting all Americans regardless of its race . The racism we are seeing today seems to be the problem as a result of past administrations ineffectively stopping or regulate the control of immigrants. But even if the illegal immigration mess were to be solved, the bitter White Man will always remained in the dilemma of a "racist".
Past actions by former presidents like Teddy is quite pointless to the realities facing today`s Whitey`s interests. The White Man has lost control of pretty much everything, much less the U.S. Government. They even lost control of their women when the feminism movement began. There is nothing the WN movement can do about it. As we continue to see the drug cartels spill its bloodbath into our country. Because of the pro-open borders crowd and the zionist controlled government and not to mentioned the racist white supremacists embedded in border organizations who are in the way of unifying a cause for all Americans to engage in, regarding immigration reform. If the racist white supremacist can be eliminated entirely from border groups and organizations then surely there would have been coalition of Americans banding together to secure the borders. And that simply cannot happen because of the racist white supremacist who are a part of this immigration problem and not the solution.
We need "True" Americans in this, and forget about the so called "Patriots" who are already tarnished with image of a racist. And if we can destroy the racist white supremacists, then maybe just maybe, we can solve the immigration mess.

Hey Stephen,
How much more redneck nazi bullshit do we all have to listen to from this jeckoff Dude ?

Ban the fucker. He needs to be checked into a mental hospital, not posting here.

LOL !!!! All the liberal retards have their panties all twisted up !

Entertaining, yes. But you scumbags are the enemy, and the strong willed Conservative has always and will always prevail.

Put that in your bong and smoke it, you washed up hippies.

I wish they would send all the illegal leaches back to whatever armpit they came from. You are roaches and they lights need to be turned on so you run back where you came from.

One less wetback to steal my tax dollars.

Why is this not a good thing you liberal pos?

How about we send ALL the illegals to YOUR house since you love them so much?

The only way to truly solve this crisis is to allow Americans to execute CITIZENS ARREST of illegal aliens!

Coupled with RETROACTIVE revocation of birthright citizenship for all children born on US soil to ILLEGAL ALIENS to say 1970...

Americans would then have the tools with which to TAKE BACK our country from the mexcrement!

BUILD THE DAMN WALL!!!

pride of the desert your sick, hey I got some peanut butter for whata ails you little boy, why dont you go and ciitzens arrested them, oh yea you have to call your buddies to help you, haha. the only one who needs a citizens arrest is arpaio!!