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So what your saying Lemons, is that Arizona residents should just let their state be overrun and bankrupted by illegal aliens the same way California was overrun and bankrupted?

I didn't realize that American journalists (and in your case I use that term loosely) could use their positions of influence to advocate against the interests of American citizens, and for the interests of millions of illegal alien invaders looking to fleece Americans.

Seems like an abuse of authority on your part if you ask me.

These videos are getting weirder and weirder. People walking backwards, superimposed images(signs) on county vehicles that don't exist and KKK images placed in the backgrounds of government agents.

The New Times, by publishing this garbage, is further making itself look like a comic book in the eyes of those who actually thought it contained a shred of real news(all 5 people who post comments here that support Lemons.)

Good job Dennis and Stephen, you are further burying the rag. I hope this trend continues until you actually cross the line with one of these videos and either get sued or put in jail.

"dude", your a tool and an idiot. you say illegals bankrupt us, yet support someone whos cost us tax payers more than 43 million in law suits alone, that doesnt include what we had to pay for legal fees, and thats on top of the bloated salaries of his top mutts like henderblimp, along with tax payer paid for vacations to Honduras so they can peddle henderblimps buddies facial recognition software..in most places in america, it would be a conflict of interest and investigated as fraud. Lets not get into sending 200 cops to arrest 52 people...at the tune of approx 2500$ per arrest..so thats why i say your a complete tool and an idiot..arpaio is a traitor to AZ sports anyways, not even showing support for the home team..(he stated that the eagles would win, and hes not a cards fan..he likes the cowboys and patriots...anyone else on that bandwagon?)

by the way, how can they deny you access to a meeting Lemmons when YOUR taxes are part that pay for it? i dont see how thats legal, more like the KGB, or A.S.S. crew cant handle outside opinions...so we get to pay another 400k a year in salaries just so he can appear tough? lol, hes about as tough as a mouse fart..

If you think all illegals that desire to come to Maricopa County should be able to, then how do you propose preventing Phoenix from winding up like border cities in Mexico, which are inundated with drug cartel violence... mass murder and mayhem?

Lost Angeles alone is bad enough, but what happens, God forbid, if Phoenix were to become like Juarez, or other ultra-violent border towns?

What is to prevent that level of violence from coming here to Phoenix?

Mexican drug cartels in the USA:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDlUmOmt8kU&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rBeB-yfO84&feature=related

Whether you guys want to admit it or not, these guys are pouring in through our open borders, and they are hiding in the illegal alien population.

Dude-I just got back from the docter and have some bad news.
You better get your ass and mouth checked right away.

Dude wrote:

"No reason for the masks? The posse member already told you some of them are normally undercover agents."

The posse member lied, and his explanation makes no sense. Undercover agents are not assigned to high-profile public operations that are designed to draw media attention. They are also not used to conduct random traffic stops. Undercover agents are a breed of their own, have specialized skills, and are scarce. Using them for this sort of detail would be like assigning Navy Seals to swab decks. And if Uncle Joe Arpaio has undercover agents unused for serious work and available for this kind of media circus, it says a lot for his administration.

The only other legitimate law-enforcement reason for using masks to conceal the identity is paramilitary style operations against violent, organized criminal gangs, where officers or their families might be targeted for retribution. Pulling Pedro over for minor traffic infractions isn't at all the same.

So, it's pretty obvious what the real reasons are: (1) Arpaio-style, camera-ready melodrama; (2) shame or fear on the part of some deputies who don't want to be videotaped by civil rights activists and end up on the receiving end of a lawsuit, complaint, or else be held up to public derision in the media (as here).

Dude wrote:

"If you think all illegals that desire to come to Maricopa County should be able to, then how do you propose preventing Phoenix from winding up like border cities in Mexico, which are inundated with drug cartel violence... mass murder and mayhem?"

Phoenix already has vast numbers of illegals, yet it doesn't have the problems you ascribe to border towns. One difference is that Mexican immigrants coming here do so, in the vast majority of cases, to work.

By contrast, Juarez is plagued by drug cartels and serial killers. Recently, a war between two rival drug gangs (Juarez Cartel and Sinaloa Cartel) has made the border area a hotbed of violence. Another difference is that Mexico has a serious and systemic corruption problem in its police force. That's why drug cartels there can get away with as much as they do as often as they do.

Pedro coming to Phoenix to trim trees and flip burgers isn't going to turn Phoenix into Juarez, because we already have half a million illegals working in Arizona, most of them concentrated in the metropolitan areas, and Phoenix hasn't turned into Juarez.

http://www.theworld.org/?q=node/17758

Dude wrote:

"Mexican cartels in nearly 200 US cities..."

So is La Cosa Nostra, and numerous biker gangs (many of them with white-supremacist leanings). Yet, I don't see you complaining about Italian-Americans or Anglos. It seems that your major concern is not crime, but race, and that crime is simply one weapon which you cynically and unscrupulously use to slander minorities and bludgeon your political enemies.

Dude wrote:

"If your cause is so righteous, then whey do you and your posters rely so heavily on vulgarity and personal insults?"

If YOUR cause is so righteous, "dude", why do you depend so heavily on neo-Nazi propaganda? In recent threads here you've posted a number of articles linked to the vdare.com website. As for vulgarity, you may be one of the smoother snakes slithering through the grass here, but your fellow fascists and radical nativists are every bit as foul-mouthed as some of your critics. Are you really concerned with vulgarity, or are you merely using that, too, as a cynical weapon against those who disagree with you?

"The posse member lied, and his explanation makes no sense. Undercover agents are not assigned to high-profile public operations that are designed to draw media attention. They are also not used to conduct random traffic stops."

Prove that he lied. Show me any proof that was not an undercover deputy from a special team. You can't. The FACT is there ARE undercover deputies working these operations. Most look just like regular deputies in their appearance. Not all undercover officers look like bikers and cholos. Undercover officers are placed in the enforcement operations to leverage the skills they can add to the operation.

That is why other units like drug task forces, immigration, and auto theft units are also used. They never know what they are going to find in these areas and it's better to have all of your bases covered. You never know WHO you're pulling over, it could just as well be the head of a Cartel or the leader of the local MS-13 gang. You never know.

Not all of these 200 deputies and posse are part of these units, and most don't even own ski masks. So to say the masks were part of a massive conspiracy to terrorize old Latinos is unwarranted and without merit. You need to check your facts before spouting off from your cake hole.

Let's just say it was a regular Deputy, he also is just doing his job and maybe doesn't want his face all over the Internet as a law enforcement officer. Police have a hard enough time dealing with anarchists and police haters like Lemons and Gilman while on duty. They don't need the flack from people who see them on the web and recognize them off duty. It is an officer safety issue. That is why there is a statute in this state about taking pictures of officers, judges and prosecutors and posting them to the Internet.

La Cosa Nostra and biker gangs? Are you kidding me? We are 2 hours from the Mexican border where hundreds of people are murdered or kidnapped by cartels daily. What are the biker gangs or mafioso doing? They are all organized crime and need investigating but anyone with a brain could figure out that the Mexican cartels take priority.

Do any of you pro-illegal immigration posters put your brains in drive before typing? I swear you are either the dumbest group of people that I've ever run into or this is all a put-on.

Am I on some prank show website? Are you people actors?

"Juan Frederico Juanita Rodriguez" wrote:

"The FACT is there ARE undercover deputies working these operations."

Prove it. The fact is, you can't. You're just another silly white nationalist trying to support his case with fabricated "facts" and pretending to have law-enforcement connections (to the MCSO) which you don't have.

Why would anyone use undercover agents to conduct random traffic stops? Why would undercover agents be sitting in a marked squad car?

"Juan Frederico Juanita Rodriguez" wrote:

"That is why other units like drug task forces, immigration, and auto theft units are also used. They never know what they are going to find in these areas and it's better to have all of your bases covered. You never know WHO you're pulling over, it could just as well be the head of a Cartel or the leader of the local MS-13 gang. You never know."

You never know who you are going to pull over in ANY traffic stop. That doesn't mean you assign police specialists (from ANY of those units, much less undercover agents) to conduct RANDOM traffic stops. Pay attention here, nincompoop: this wasn't an operation planned to target gang members, drug dealers or cartel heads, or auto-theft rings, precisely BECAUSE these were RANDOM traffic stops in the middle of town.

And how is it that you claim to know which units had members assigned? You're not MCSO. You don't know diddly-squat. You're fabricating whatever you think will get you what you want, which is exactly what that lying, weaselly posse volunteer did. Heck, maybe you're him.

"Juan Frederico Juanita Rodriguez" wrote:

"La Cosa Nostra and biker gangs? Are you kidding me? We are 2 hours from the Mexican border where hundreds of people are murdered or kidnapped by cartels daily. What are the biker gangs or mafioso doing? They are all organized crime and need investigating but anyone with a brain could figure out that the Mexican cartels take priority."

They're doing the same thing Mexican cartels are: dealing dope, and on about the same scale. Some of them are also working with, or for, drug cartels from other countries, including Mexico. So why are you and "dude" both obsessed, not with organized crime, but with how you can use information about Mexican drug gangs to drum up public hysteria and hatred for Mexican immigrants in general?

How far WE are from the Mexican border is irrelevant, because "dude" was trumpeting the fact that Mexican drug cartels are in 200 U.S. cities" as part of his anti-immigrant propaganda.

If these masked terrorist MCSO thugs were actually undercover deputies using masks to protect their ID, it was Arpaio who is guilty of exposing them. Not Gilman or Reza or New Times.
What a waste of Tax Dollars and a failure this and so many other Arpaio operations are.

Dude,
What are you even trying to say? That you are not a racist? Thats not a debate I care to have with you. This isn't about you or me or Emil or Steve Lemons. I care about the little girl, the thousands like her and how we got to the point where people like you simply don't see what's wrong with this picture. I also care about accurate stats when it comes to crime, rape, Meth addiction and use. Check MCSO's drug stats and you will find they bust more Pot offenders then Meth yet meth is a bigger problem and is created to more crime then any other drug. You can draw your own conclusions and rant over it all you like.

You started out as the wild cowboy and you were throwing mud everywhere you could when you appeared on the FB site posting about a week ago. Now you complain like a little bitch that you're being wrongly accused of being a racist. I think the gig is up.
You try to make Potsville about the Jews and then wonder why you are called a racist. It's a lame attempt at a distraction from the issues at hand.

And then you make this statement? "For too long too many of you on the pro-illegal immigration side have been drawing an overly large arc, arrogantly delineating what is and is not open for discussion, and people are not tolerating it anymore."

Who are you calling "Pro-Illegal Immigration?" I'm for Humane border solutions and NAFTA reform and getting rid of 287 g and the sheriff who was given the authority to waste my Tax dollars on it. You seem to support everything Arpaio does and against anything that has to do with common sense and human rights. Our economy is suffering because of Arpaio and Pearce's "Rule Of Law."
As for the comparisons to Hitler, first he went after the Gypsies and the Nativists screamed in joy and supported him. This is the beginning of a path some of us see as wrong.

4 years ago, if someone said we should use prisoners to pick our crops and work on our farms, we would've objected. Now it is accepted as the solution by many on the side you defend as the solution. That is slavery. Yet as a distraction people tear apart Sal Reza as a slave owner because he has created a safe place and a solution for the Day Labor issue. ICE prisons are a business that have profited major corporations at the expense of our Tax dollars. Privatization of prisons is not the direction we need to be going. Like most businesses, they require recurring revenue and profit.

Under Bush, we have given Billions of Military aid to fight the war on drugs in Mexico and increase border security. The result is more human smuggling, organized crime, violence and deaths. More of the same is not the answer.

When I hear you and your side blame the poorest of this Continent's poor for this problem, I am sickened. To call you racists is letting your side off the hook easy.

I don't have the time to go back through all your comments (they aren't that interesting) but I can guarantee if you do, there is no question your solutions are far worse then the problems.

I have had intelligent conversations with republicans and conservatives on these issues. Thats where the solution lies. We find the things we agree on and work towards those. For the most part, both sides of this debate are opposed to NAFTA and see it as the #1 cause for this condition. Imagine how successful we could be if both sides were to unite to force the new administration to reform or do away with it?

Dude wrote:

"You also don't denounce someone as a "racist" or a "nazi" because they posted a link to one non-racist article, on a website consisting of thousands of articles, a small percentage of which were written by a guy who once made a racist remark about blacks."

I made it clear ("heavily depend upon") that you posted more than one article link to VDARE, and that the articles (plural) were racist. A review of your comments to the last dozen Feathered Bastard blog items will demonstrate this to anyone caring to take the time to do so. Perhaps some time I will catalog them myself.

Any any rate, what you have posted amounts to a carefully phrased apologia for VDARE, not a convincing denial of the characterization provided by the Southern Poverty Law Center and by others.

Just for the record, instead of dancing around various terms, and trying to explain why certain subtle nuances might mitigate my characterization of you and of VDARE, perhaps you would be good enough to inform us which, if any, of the following terms describe you (you should pick all that apply): racist, racialist, white separatist, white nationalist, national socialist, neo-nazi, nazi, fascist, anti-semite, jew-hater.

Thanks.

"The articles were 'racist'".

Define "racism".

Illegal invaders are not a race, therefore arresting illegals could only be viewed as racism by left wing socialists, who are anti American traitors.

When they play the race card, they are admitting they have already lost the argument.