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Republiloon Karen Johnson visits moonhowler Alex Jones' radio show, signals she's straitjacket-ready.

Wed May 07, 2008 at 03:44:27 PM


Check out a playlist of clips from Alex Jones' interview with Mesa conspiracy kook Karen Johnson, here.

Like you needed more proof that state Senator Karen Johnson is nuttier than Paula Abdul, Tom Cruise and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright combined, the Mesa Republitard recently appeared on Texas conspiracy king Alex Jones' radio show, fawning after the crackpot AM a-hole like a gushing schoolgirl and signing on to nearly every conspiracy theory since the assassination of Lincoln.

Johnson, of course, has penned op-eds of late defending some of the sicko lunacies of the 9/11 conspiranuts, who despite mountains of evidence to the contrary, persist in this insane notion that the Twin Towers were rigged with explosives. Many of them also subscribe to a host of other freaky fantasies, such as, the Pentagon was hit by a missile, Flight 93 was shot down or diverted to Cleveland (its passengers executed), a laser beam helped bring down the World Trade Center buildings, calls made from Flight 93 were faked using voice morphing technology, and on and on.

On Jones' show Johnson established she's battier than a vampire convention, stating that, "I've been a conspiratoriast [sic] for a long, long time," and that when 9/11 happened, she "questioned immediately -- is this another false flag [operation] like the Reichstag [fire]?"

See, Johnson, like other tinfoil-hatted "troofers," buys the line that 9/11 was an inside job, an attack staged to draw America into a war abroad and to establish dictatorial rule at home. In 9/11, Johnson perceives the hidden hand of a shrouded, nefarious organization.

"When you've got a cabal at the head of our country," she told Jones, "and has been there for years pulling the strings behind the scenes, I mean, whatever it takes to get what they want is what they do."

Who's in this cabal, one wonders? Neocons? The illuminati? Shape-shifting aliens from the planet Zatar? Johnson doesn't say. But she assured listeners that because of these sinister plotters, America will cease to exist by 2010, when it will have merged into a fabled North American Union with Mexico and Canada. And by gum, the Arizona State Legislature is threatening to pass a resolution opposing the NAU, one sponsored in part by the local nutbars at the John Birch Society. Thing is, there's not a shred of evidence this wing-nut nightmare is the impending reality these meshuggah-nauts claim it to be.

Jones also asked if Johnson believed the Oklahoma City bombing was an inside job, too, and of course she did.

"Oh my gosh, I mean, all the way from Ruby Ridge to Waco to Oklahoma City," sputtered Johnson like a black helicopter in flight. "There's such a string of things, Alex. I'm one of your biggest fans because it's so wonderful to find people on the Internet, and that do wonderful DVDs like you have, that speak out and help inform people."

Wonderful DVDs? One of Jones' DVDs, Dark Secrets: Inside Bohemian Grove, contends that the world's leaders assemble in the redwoods of California each year to participate in creepy occult rituals. Or there's Jones' DVD Endgame, which insists attendees of the Bilderberg conferences are plotting to "exterminate 80 percent of the world's population, while enabling the elites to live forever with the aid of advanced technology."

Jones is a veritable hothouse flower of conspiratorial insanity. I documented some of his more outrageous contentions in my cover story last year on 9/11 lie-buster Pat Curley of the ScrewLooseChange blogspot, an article entitled, The Yoda of 9/11. These included Jones' claims that: the GOP is a gay sex cult; Bill Clinton was recruited by the CIA back in the late '60s; 9/11 was a pretext for an Orwellian police state; 90 percent of the firefighters in New York support the 9/11 conspiracy nuts; Virginia Tech shooter Seung-Hui Cho was a "mind-controlled assassin;" the Ku Klux Klan sprang from the Masons; the Masons worship Satan; and illegal aliens will soon rise up and kill whitey.

So Karen Johnson's tied her wagon to this night train of madness? Maybe the strain of pushing out 11 kids has rotted her brain. Or maybe her cerebellum was Swiss cheese from the get-go. In other words, I shouldn't be surprised. This is the woman who wants to open campuses up to gun-toters, was the co-chair of Kool Aid-peddler Ron Paul's presidential campaign in Arizona, and was a receptionist to wacko Sand Land Governor Ev Mecham back in the day. Also, she claims to have backed legislation in 2000 that would have allowed Arizona to secede from the Union if martial law was declared. Guess she reckoned it was around the corner. You know, kinda like the NAU.

As for her 9/11 nuttiness, I'll follow up later and go through some of the many mistruths in Johnson's two op-eds from this past weekend. But in the meantime, here's one to ponder. In her Arizona Republic article, Johnson asserted that, "A Zogby poll reported that 51 percent of Americans want Congress to investigate [9/11] further," thereby bolstering the credibility of her bizarro-world accusations.

Johnson was referencing a 2007 poll commissioned by the troofers themselves. What she doesn't tell you is that nearly 64 percent of respondents believed the official story of what happened on 9/11. You know, that "19 Arab fundamentalists executed a surprise attack which caught US intelligence and military forces off guard." A mere 4.6 percent swallowed the whopper that the government, in the parlance of the conspiracy puddin'heads, "Made It Happen;" i.e., that "certain US government elements actively planned or assisted some aspects of the attacks."

Now that Johnson's gone whole hog with this troofer tripe, I have to say it's too bad she's stepping aside to allow anti-brown clown state Rep. Russell Pearce to run for her seat. Otherwise, we would get to find out if more than 4.6 percent of Johnson's right-wing district would be willing to countenance her spewing this deranged, un-American hooey. Of course, they wouldn't. Which is why Johnson now feels free to spout such psychotic nonsense in public.

Read Pat Curley's snarky snippets on Johnson as a troofer, in his posts, "Recycling the Martial Law Conspiracy Theory," and, "Still Moron Karen Johnson."


38 Comments:

NEO-COON (R) says:

Jesus.

She definately needs to be psychologically evaluated by Dr. Bizarro and placed on a high dosage of Prozac, combined with cocktail honky.

I wondered if she's the one whose been posting on here as "Todd Stallion", you think???

CooperG says:

Hey, you'd be paranoid too if everybody was out to get you.

maryis says:

Steve, I suggest you do some back search on Karen from the nineties and what she was up to then. I think she's been married something like five times and has an excuse for every one of the failures that of course were not her fault... (really wish I could remember what it was that was her bandwagon then) A nut job of the first order. Her backstory is as 'interesting' than this new one. I know the New Times covered it.

actuaryfordyingnation says:

i know its hard but there is no santa. kids get over that fact. i guess not all kids.

http://atlanticfreepress.com/content/view/3858/81/

Todd Stallion says:

More than 1/3 in that poll believe that the government Let it happen on purpose...

Half of all Hispanics believe the government either made it or let it happen.

2/3rds of 18-29 year olds (people who don't sit in front of a TV to be spoon fed their news) believe there was government involvement.


Let's face the facts, Stephen Lemons works closely with the ADL and SPLC to promote a certain agenda, this agenda is one that protects and promotes Zionist interests... which is why you hear a never ending stream of Diarrhea pouring from his ass about white supremacists taking over, 'nativists' and other dis-info mixed in with this bullshit about elements in the government having no culpability what-so-ever in 9/11...


"Maybe the strain of pushing out 11 kids has rotted her brain."

And as always we are treated to the disgusting misogynistic hypocrisy of the ADL mole. Hey Lemons, you might have an ADL award in your future just like your friends over at the republic.

By the way:

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/

ranked 46,000

http://www.infowars.com/

ranked 7000

I think Lemons is just jealous that his phony kosher all-beef baloney brand of muckraking journalism is such a failure.

The Anti-Todd says:

"More than 1/3 in that poll believe that the government Let it happen on purpose."

A Todd Stallion lie. Go to the link and look for yourselves:

http://www.911truth.org/images/ZogbyPoll2007.pdf

LIHOP or Let It Happen on Purpose scores 26.4 percent.

That's not "more than 1/3" fart-sniffer. Which community college did you gradu-mu-ate from, shithead?

Anonymous says:

So many blog writers have based their arguments on how this land is
made up of immigrants. Some suggest we should tear down the Statue of
Liberty because the people now in question aren't being treated the same
as those who passed through Ellis Island and other ports of entry.
Maybe we should turn to our history books and point out to people why
today's American is not willing to accept this new kind of immigrant any
longer. Back in 1900 when there was a rush from all areas of Europe to
come to the United States, people had to get off a ship and stand in a
long line in New York and be documented. Some would even get down on
their hands and knees, and kiss the ground. They made a pledge to uphold
the laws and support their new country in good and bad times. They made
learning English a primary rule in their new American households and some
even changed their names to blend in with their new home.
They had waved good bye to their birth place to give their children a
new life and did everything in their power to help their children
assimilate into one culture.
Nothing was handed to them. No free lunches, no welfare, no labor
laws to protect them. All they had were the skills and craftsmanship
they had brought with them to trade for a future of prosperity. Most of
their children came of age when World War II broke out. My father fought
along side men whose parents had come straight over from Germany, Italy,
France and Japan. None of these first generation Americans ever gave any
thought about what country their parents had come from.
They were Americans fighting Hitler, Mussolini and the Emperor of
Japan. They were defending the United States of America as one people.
When we liberated France, no one in those villages was looking for the
French-American or the Irish-American or the German-American. The people
of France saw only Americans. And we carried one flag that represented
one country. Not one of those immigrant sons would have thought about
picking up another country's flag and waving it to represent who they
were. It would have been a disgrace to their parents who had sacrificed
so much to be here. These immigrants truly knew what it meant to be an
American. They stirred the melting pot into one red, white and blue
bowl.
And here we are in 2008, with a new kind of "immigrant" who wants the
same rights and privileges. Only they want to achieve it by playing with
a different set of rules that include free entitlement cards of food,
rent, education, medical, etc, and a guarantee of being faithful to their
mother country.
I'm sorry, that's not what being an American is all about. The
immigrants who landed on Ellis Island in the early 1900s deserve better
than that for all the toil, hard work and sacrifice in raising future
generations to create a land that has become a beacon for those "legally"
searching for a better life. They would be appalled that they were being
used as an example of those waving foreign flags.
And for that suggestion about taking down the Statue of Liberty, it
happens to mean a lot to the citizens who are voting on the immigration
bill. I wouldn't start talking about dismantling the United States just
yet. Sincerely, Rosemary LaBonte
-----------
THE USA IS NOT THE LIFEBOAT FOR THE WORLD
Mrs. LaBonte spelled out what most of us feel throughout the nation
as we see our country immigrated to death. For a startling fact, we
import at least 182,000 legal and illegal immigrants every 30 days into
this country. Our president and Congress allow it, and in fact,
encourage it . . . egged-on by the greedy U.S. Chamber of Commerce with
VERY large periodic donations.
All three presidential candidates support unlimited, unending and
unrelenting immigration -- all three voted to double legal immigration
from 1.2 to 2.2 million annually in 2007.
That's in the face of 28 million Americans on food stamps; 14 million
Americans without jobs; massive housing foreclosures because Americans
don't have the jobs to pay their mortgage; $3.50 a gallon gas; 1.5
million homeless Americans; overloaded schools; bankrupting hospitals and
2.3 million inmates in our prisons; press '1' for Spanish and '2' for
English, and on and on.
Anybody out there ready for a temporary moratorium on all
immigration -- so we might restore law-and-order and help our own people
in our own country?
In reality, our politicians foment the problems that they campaign to
solve. They never solve them, seemingly intentionally; thus we spiral
into deeper national chaos. We need help to bring our most pressing
issues onto the front burner: overpopulation in America caused by
ceaseless legal and illegal immigration. As you know, the recent PEW
report shows immigration adding 100 million people to our country in 30
years. We need to stop it and we need to stop it now

Geo Nerd says:

Senator Johnson:

Please resign your seat and seek psychiatric help immediately.

Also, NAU stands for Northern Arizona University no North American Union. I doubt you could gain admittance to the former and the latter is a figment of your Jerome Corsi's imagination.

For anyone reading the feather bastard blog who is unfamiliar with Mr. Corsi, he is a co-author of the Unfit for Command: Swift Boaters for the Truth (about John Kerry), Blackgold Stranglehold (where he claims the earth makes new oil everyday), and The Late, Great USA (the North American Union tripe).

Todd Stallion says:

OK, exactly 33% of the people who have an opinion think the government either let it happen or made it happen. Making it happen is just another degree of letting it happen.

Hows that?

So is 33% of the country a moonbat?

Besides, a poll of this nature is going to be skewed because people don't like answering such questions.

The Liar is Lemons who wants people to believe that the mass of Americans follow the official story, that's mass Media Propaganda and Lemons is nothing more than a Media Mockingbird for the ADL agenda.


According to another Zogby poll half of New Yorkers think the government knew in advance that attacks were planned on or around September 11, 2001, and that they consciously failed to act.

This is why the Patriot act was put into law

This is why the Government is becoming a police state


Coz says:

Arizona always seems to attract the nuttest politicians anywhere...

Must be the heat.

Slavyanski says:

Todd, it is time you get acquainted with something called "logic". In this case, you continue to use a fallacy called argument ad populum, or "to popularity". It is compounded because you are basing this on evidence from the internet, for example the popularity of certain websites. There are plenty of hits for furry-pornography sites as well, some of which may get more hits than infowars or whatever. Does that mean maybe the rest of us ought to get with the program, don cartoon animal costumes, and fuck each other till the sun comes up? I hope not.

For seven years, the conspiracy theorists can't even give us a basic alternative hypothesis. All they can do is insist that the official story couldn't have happened, based on bad information, and a faulty understanding of the science involved.

Concerned Citizen says:

excerpt: "All three presidential candidates support unlimited, unending and
unrelenting immigration -- all three voted to double legal immigration
from 1.2 to 2.2 million annually in 2007.
That's in the face of 28 million Americans on food stamps; 14 million
Americans without jobs; massive housing foreclosures because Americans
don't have the jobs to pay their mortgage; $3.50 a gallon gas; 1.5
million homeless Americans; overloaded schools; bankrupting hospitals and
2.3 million inmates in our prisons (over 7 MILLION if you count those in jails, on parole or probation). This is a staggering figure since these people are either warehoused or being constantly hunted down by the government on administrative policies that promote failure.

press '1' for Spanish and '2' for
English, and on and on."

Thanks for putting this out there for the public to think about. The reality is -- America is self-destructing, while the rest of the world seems to be creating and building a future. What have we become?

Dan says:

Your article is not a serious discussion about any of the facts surrounding 9/11.
Myself, I don't know exactly how it happened, or who exactly was behind it and would like to see an honest investigation as the 9/11 commission report for many reasons was inferior. For example, they didn't even
investigate WTC7. This is what many people want. We're not kooks, we just believe that there is reason to question.

dave says:

>> an attack staged to draw America into a war abroad and to establish dictatorial rule at home.

She may be nuttier than chinese chicken, but you gotta admit, 9/11 did provide the impetus for exactly that. It's no wonder people are so suspicious, considering what's transpired since.

Yeah Karen's just as loony as all of these experts who have just a tad bit more experience in the matter of what happened than the old Feathered Bastard and his friends.

You can examine the numerous folks who have a problem with the official 9/11 story as detailed here:

http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/

Please feel free to character attack all of these folks at Patriots Question 9/11 like you did Karen. Afterall, that is the only ammunition you have left.

The ultimate website that will in a sense kick your nutty fruitcake debunking arse. The only problem is there aren't any expert "Bloggers" at the site that Stephen might be able to hold a candle stick to.

From Patriots Question 9/11-

Santosh K. Bista, PhD Regional
and Urban Planning
Urban Planner
Added April 30, 2008


Shawn J. Jensen, BS ME,
MS Eng. Mgmt
Former Engineering Officer
U.S. Air Force
Added April 26, 2008


Lynn B. Jenson, BA
Systems Engineer and Project Manager
Tactical Fighter Program
Added April 24, 2008


Jim Bomford, BA Sc Eng, PE
Civil Engineer
Licensed Professional Engineer,
Province of British Columbia
Added April 24, 2008


John Edward Anderson, BS ME,
MS ME, PhD Astronautics, PE
Professor Emeritus, Mechanical Engineering
University of Minnesota
Licensed Professional Engineer,
State of Minnesota
Added April 15, 2008


Frank J. Cullinan, BS CE, PE
Licensed Professional Civil Engineer,
State of California
Added April 4, 2008


Kerry Lewis McCarthy, B.Arch
Licensed Architect,
State of Oregon
Added April 4, 2008


Nathan S. Lomba, BS CE, PE
Licensed Professional Civil Engineer,
State of California
Added March 29, 2008


William R. Nugent, B EE, PE
Retired Assistant Director of Research
Information Technology Services
Library of Congress
Licensed Professional Electrical Engineer
State of Massachusetts
Added March 15, 2008


Daniel L. Hutchins, MS ChemE
Former Aerospace Engineer
Added March 12, 2008


Melissa Allin, BS Aero Eng, PE
Licensed Professional Engineer,
State of Oklahoma
Added February 27, 2008


Richard F. Humenn, PE
Senior Project Design Engineer
Electrical Systems, World Trade Center
Retired Licensed Professional Engineer,
States of New York, New Jersey, Connecticut
Added February 10, 2008


Victor Connor, MS EE
Retired Electrical Engineer
Added February 1, 2008


Robert H. Waser, MS ME, PE
Retired Licensed Professional Engineer
State of Maryland
Added January 26, 2008


Jay Kappraff, PhD
Former Chemical Engineer
Associate Professor of Mathematics
New Jersey Institute of Technology
Added January 12, 2008


Ted Cohn, BA CS
Technology executive and entrepreneur
Added December 15, 2007


Edward S. Munyak, MS, PE
Former Fire Protection Engineer
U.S. Departments of Energy, Defense,
and Veterans Affairs
Licensed Professional Mechanical Engineer
and Fire Protection Engineer
State of California
Added December 12, 2007

Twenty-five U.S. Military Officers Challenge Official Account of 9/11 – Official Account of 9/11 “Impossible”, “A Bunch of Hogwash”, “Total B.S.”, “Ludicrous”, “A Well-Organized Cover-up”, “A White-Washed Farce”
Jan. 14, 2008 PDF Version Article on OpEdNews

Eight U.S. State Department Veterans Challenge the Official Account of 9/11 – Official Account of 9/11 "Flawed", "Absurd", "Totally Inadequate", "a Cover-up"
Jan. 5, 2008 PDF Version Article on OpEdNews

Seven Senior Federal Engineers and Scientists Call for New 9/11 Investigation – Official Account of 9/11 "Impossible", "Hogwash", "Fatally Flawed"
Dec. 13, 2007 PDF Version Article on OpEdNews

Eight Senior Republican Administration Appointees Challenge Official Account of 9/11 – "Not Possible", "a Whitewash", "False"
Dec. 4, 2007 PDF Version Article on OpEdNews

Seven CIA Veterans Challenge 9/11 Commission Report – Official Account of 9/11 a "Joke" and a "Cover-up"
Sep. 23, 2007 PDF Version Article on OpEdNews

Senator Lincoln Chafee
Former U.S. Senator from Rhode Island
Added March 11, 2008

Capt. Edgar Mitchell, DSc
Retired U.S. Navy Pilot and Astronaut
Added March 11, 2008

Milton Bearden
Former CIA Station Chief in Pakistan,
Germany, Nigeria, and Sudan
Added March 11, 2008

Paul Grenier
Former Interpreter for the U.S. State Dept,
U.S. Army and U.S. Central Command
Added February 27, 2008

Eckart Werthebach, JD
Former President, Verfassungsschutz
(German Domestic Intelligence Service)
Added February 27, 2008

Lt. Col. Jochen Scholz
Retired German Air Force and NATO officer
Added February 25, 2008

Axel Troost, PhD
Member, German Bundestag (Parliament)
Added February 23, 2008

Yukihisa Fujita
Member, House of Councillors
National Diet of Japan
Added January 13, 2008

Ferdinando Imposimato
Honorary President,
Supreme Court of Italy
Added December 18, 2007

Dwain Deets, MS Eng
Former Director, Aerospace Projects
NASA Dryden Flight Research Center
Added October 25, 2007

Berit Ås
Former Member of Parliament, Norway
Added October 8, 2007

Col. James R. Uhl, MD (ret)
Retired U.S. Army physician
Added September 21, 2007

Stephen Beckow
Retired Member
Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada
Added September 19, 2007

Commander Ralph Kolstad
Retired US Navy fighter pilot
Retired commercial airline captain
Added August 12, 2007


Nahhh. There all crazy right? LOL. Jokes on you debunkers.

Todd Stallion says:

Are you a fucking idiot Slavyanski ?

This whold piece of shit article is a gigantic attempt to pretend that certain beliefs are marginal or fringe.

Lemons and the New Times is a pathetic caricature of counter establishment, when most of the bullshit that Lemons squeezes out of his sphincter is just some ADL, Corporate Foundation pro government bullshit.

The best thing that heppened to the New Times was the arrest since it made them appear as outlaws, when infact they toe the line on most issues.

John says:

Sen. Johnson was also a proud supporter of neo-Nazi J.T. Ready's campaign for Mesa City Council and even recorded messages for his campaign that were sent out on robocalls.

D.J. Racist Ryke says:

Could the elitists be a serious threat to our economy than those in the country legally with 2 work visas?

Elitists control how they run their corporations that the Government does not have much control over. I'm talking about big companies such as those oil moguls--Exxon-Mobile/Cheveron etc.

The poor legal immigrant here on work visas do not control what is sold on the market for a certain price. The greedy CEO`s do that but for their sake of their wealth, do not care what the average American Joe is going though. The U.S. Government has no control over such powerful businesses.

I see the elitists as a threat to the working class than those in the country "legally" with work visas-one for unskilled labor, two-for those with great skills.

David saint says:

Todd Stallion:

unfortunately i kind of have to agree with you.....i had a relative on flight TWA 800, and that was covered up...but they didnt let it happen, they just didnt take bin laden seriously when he made his threats...then played like they knew nothing about any threats, etc...that was the cover up part...Oddly enough, if you read the Jack Ryan novel series by Tom Clancy, towards the end of the series a plane is crashed into the capital building killing most of the govt leaders...imagine what would have happened if those people on flight 94 hadnt done what they had...

The Anti-Todd says:

"OK, exactly 33% of the people who have an opinion think the government either let it happen or made it happen. Making it happen is just another degree of letting it happen."

Whata buttload of Toddfarts! Not sure means not sure, it doesn't mean "let it happen on purpose." What a fucking sniveling liar you are. First you outright lie, like so many of your troother comrades, then you try to twist the facts your liking.

So, no, it's not 33 percent. It's 26.4 percent, dillberry breath. And that's for this vague wording:

"The second theory known as Let It Happen argues that certain elements in the US government knew the attacks were
coming but consciously let them proceed for various political, military and economic motives."

It's well established that the Bush administration had some prior warnings of impending attacks and failed to take them seriously and act on them. Would this fit under LIHOP? For the definition above, it might.

Does this mean the 26.4 percent believe the Twin Towers were brought down with a controlled demo? Hell no. That's the MIHOP view, which is EXTREMELY marginal, asswipes. Again, only 4.6 percent sign on to the 9/11-was-an-inside-job bull.

So, Evil Tinfoil Hat Todd, you are in the extreme minority, in that 4.6 percent. You can argue that you're right (though you're not), but you cannot argue that you're in some significant percentile of the electorate.

Keep in mind this was a truther poll. They couldn't even beat "Not Sure" in their own poll. Not Sure got 5.4 percent.

Ray says:

This article has no merit. People are right to question the official story regarding 9/11, since it is obviously false. I can't begin to explain my disgust for this author.

Todd Stallion says:

LIHOP is Conspiracy to commit mass murder...

And yes 1/3 of all people in this country who are capable of forming an opinion, agree that elements in the US Government Allowed the mass murder of 3000 people.

And that number is growing especially amongst those that do not receive their news from Corporate Controlled Intelligence Infiltrated sources.

The majority of those that believe the official line have almost zero knowledge of the inconsistencies of the government conspiracy story.

And I count this Garbage on this website amongst those, this fat piece of shit has made his career as a mouthpiece for domestic spy agencies ADL and SPLC and promotes their agenda through lies, distortions and character assassinations.


Slavyanski says:

ORIGINALLY from another post:

Let's talk about conspiracy theories for a second. "Conspiracy theory" in modern parlance is not simply a theory or narrative that involves a literal conspiracy. It is in fact a highly unlikely alternative explanation for some event, particularly historical events.

By nature, they are unfalsifiable. Lack of evidence is blamed on a cover-up, and contrary evidence is said to be fabricated. As a result, the conspirators are never brought to justice.

Conspiracy theorists also tend not to produce their own alternative hypothesis in coherent form, choosing instead to disprove the "official story" by pointing out so-called "holes". This is similar to another great intellectual tradition of our time, Creationism or "Creation Science".

Note that 9-11 truthers seem to religiously use a small arsenal of tactics. Among those I have observed:

1. "I'm just some objective guy who wanted to hear both sides." This type claims to have done "research" for a long time and then finally came to the un-biased conclusion that it was an inside job. Yet somehow he only listens to conspiracy claims.

2. "I just have a few questions..." This is almost identical to the above tactic except this person pretends they haven't decided yet. Once again they will be pretending to be "doing research", but they only acknowledge conspiracy claims.

3. "Circular Firing Squad". Read enough 9-11 conspiracy sites and you will quickly realize that many of the claims they make are mutually exclusive. If the building was taken down by "Thermate", you couldn't have those "squibs", you couldn't have all those explosions going off all over the place as they claim. If you have all those things, you can't have your thermate claim.

A key thing I have realized after a lot of experience debating with these kooks is that even if they are advancing obviously contradicting claims or theories, 9-11 truthers on the same forum will never get in an argument over these details. The only thing they refuse to believe is whatever they deem the "official story." Also note that while groups of truthers disagree on the culprit(Jews/Illuminati, etc.), they don't factor this into what claims they will believe.

4. "Do you REALLY believe that 19 CAMEL-JOCKEYS and a guy living in a CAVE could do this?!" This ignorant, racist argument from incredulity is a common opener I noticed. The 19 hijackers were quite technically proficient, and Mohammed Atta was far more educated than most 9-11 truthers. In fact with some background in architectural engineering he would be more qualified to speak about what caused the towers to collapse than someone like Stephen Jones. Osama Bin Laden didn't spend all of his life in a cave. He coordinated a guerrilla war in Afghanistan, organized it internationally, all the while supervising public works programs there. He is described as highly intelligent and eloquent, which is more than can be said for any truther.

5. "The Official story is the conspiracy theory!!" This is the idea that because each "story" involves a conspiracy, they must be equal. It is a way to shift the burden of proof, and it also ignores the fact that there is far more evidence in favor of the official story, compiled by thousands of qualified investigators worldwide.

6. "You're obviously with the CIA/Mossad/NSA." I usually got this once per debate, usually with references to how much I was getting paid for this, etc. Spend enough time tackling these claims and will happen to you as well, I guarantee it.

7. "I'm just asking questions!" No no...you are making claims and accusations, and spitting this out whenever you can't back something up with evidence. And WHY oh WHY is it that in any 9-11 debate, truthers get to ask all the questions they want, demanding answers for every one, but they don't have to answer questions from the "official side"? Simple- it's a conspiracy theory.

8. "9-11 NEEDS TO BE INVESTIGATED!" It has been. It has been investigated by numerous agencies, and their findings have been looked over by other experts inside and outside of the US. Findings have been peer-reviewed. Now let us remember something: WHO THE HELL is supposed to investigate it? All those people investigated it, but the 9-11 truthers think that it was a complete sham. Who do the truthers want to investigate it, that would supposedly be impartial? And what if the new investigation panel rules in favor of the "official story" again? "INVESTIGATE 9-11 AGAIN!!!"


Anyway, that is just a few observations which focus on truthers. You will see similar arguments with Holocaust revisionists and other conspiracy theorists all the time.

q.taylor says:

YA All need to wake up to whats going on behind our backs in this Country. The Media
won't tell you about it because they are owned by the elite globalist. I'd seriously listen to what Alex Jones and these others are saying. Its a terrible thing to wake up too late and not have done something to help prevent the take over of our Country. Laugh
all you want now and call them crazy,but you won't be laughing later when you find out its true. Then it will be too late to do anything. If you buy in to what the neocons are saying you may be working with them and think you are off the hook,but in the end you will lose also,because they are only out for their own. Look at Germany when the Nazi's were in power and you will know that we are not far from that happening here.

Kahane says:

Todd, will you please elaborate on the ADL's connection to this discussion? I am unclear on the connection you are making.

neo-KKKoon(R-mesa) says:

Karen Stallion(Todd) once accused me of working for the ADL once. And I'm not even Jewish.
She just has a abnormal crush on the Feathered Bastard, that's all.

I can't even fathomed the thought of Karen Stallion fuming over ADL and SPLC`s sites daily, as if she's obessesed with the Jewish agenda.

Tin-Foil Hatters are humorously a bunch of wackjobs, with their wacky ranting and raving about Jews and the Government.

Its entertaining!! Lol.

Todd Stallion says:

This tinfoil hat is roasting my brain.

Alan says:

We need to thank the 9/11 "truth" movement for providing such a handy and trusty barometer for judging people's common sense and ability to separate fantasy from reality.

Cuz when someone like Karen comes forth sporting this mental defect, we need not know anything else about them. No need for voter guides or position papers. They should be given NO position of responsibility or authority.

That water shortage is due to masses of her former voters taking double and triple showers.

Slavyanski says:

Taylor, Jones knows nothing about Nazi Germany or history in general. If more Americans had a better historical education, they wouldn't fall for bullshit like Jones' never-ending conspiracy. Jones is a nut, only less nutty in the sense that he has enough intelligence to exploit nuts by selling them paranoia. This is a guy who once chased uniformed military personal out of a restaurant and claimed they were part of "Northcom"(doesn't exist) and they were part of a martial law program.

Jones' conspiracy, like other similar strands, appeals to people with little historical knowledge or understanding of research methods. People want a simple explanation for the world's complicated relationships. Paradoxically, a needlessly complicated, yet to the point conspiracy theory is often easier for these people to understand, than an expert-compiled analysis.

JT Ready says:

Probably the nuttiest thing I heard come from Senator Johnson's lips in that interview was the jew indoctrinated references she blurted about the Reichstag, "Nazi" Germany, and not knowing that the very cabal sending the West down the sewer of history is none other than a sinister pack of cabbalistic zionnist jews. Now that's crazy! About as loony as perpetrating being a media reporter who denies the NAU which the CFR proudly boasts about openly.

Todd Stallion says:

"part of "Northcom"(doesn't exist) "

Sure it doesn't. Which is why they maintain a website.

http://www.northcom.mil/

You are an uninformed retard.

Yeah. Conspiracy nuts. Study the Reichstag fire. Study Webster Tarpley. Study Dr. Steven Jones research that indicated there was thermite used in the WTC collapse. Just "conspiracy nuts". Sure. If you keep on swallowing all the crap that the spoonfeeders provide, your bellies will be full and you'll be ripe for the slaughter. It's not a matter of IF folks, it's WHEN - SOON.

Yeah. We know nothing about history. Reichstag fire, just bullshit. Right? Hitler didn't create an enemy. Some man in cave got a trillion dollar military industrial complex to stand down on 9/11. If you believe the official story regarding 9/11 you're just as looney as your suppositions regarding Johnson & Jones. WE NEED A NEW 9/11 INVESTIGATION THAT IS CONDUCTED BY THOSE OUTSIDE THE REALM OF WASHINGTON GATEKEEPERS BEFORE THE REST OF THE WORLD DOES AND NUKES US BACK TO THE FRIGGIN STONE AGE. ALMOST ALL OF THE VICTIMS FAMILIES SUPPORT A NEW INVESTIGATION. KEEP DRINKING THAT KOOL-AID. MAYBE THERE'S ENOUGH FLUORIDE IN IT TO ROT SOME MORE HOLES IN YOUR BRAIN.

Alex Kenedy says:

this article is complete bullshit

9-11 was an inside job
Explain the molten metal and extreme tempertures and the fucking red chip thermate

Thats right you cant fucking idiot

sunshyncat says:

Hey FB, I'm not sure if you read comments, and you probably already know this, but Joe is scheduled to speak for the hate group's volunteers on Monday.

From the U.S.A. website (http://immigrationbuzz.com/?p=2144)

Volunteer Meeting on Monday May 12th at the Italian American Club!

Sheriff Joe is the main guest speaker! If you have never heard him speak you are in for a treat. Please come and meet Sheriff Joe to thank him for all his hard work and support him in his re-election.

Please bring all your petitions for LAW and SOLE as notaries will be available from 5:30 pm to 7:00 pm to notarize petitions. The Italian American Club is located at 7509 N. 12th street in Phoenix, AZ. The meeting will begin at 7:00pm. Please R.S.V.P. as soon as possible as seats are limited by calling Willa at 602-863-3050 or Charlene at 602-569-5318.

Slavyanski says:

Thanks to the nutcases for providing live examples of my previous statements.

Anonymous says:

sunshyncat

The meeting Monday with Sheriff Joe and Andrew Thomas is not open to the public, and security will only allow members to attend.

So you scum sucking liberal cry babies will have nothing to do but dream up more bizarre conspiracy theories about 9/11, Area 51, consentration camps, etc.

Must suck being a liberal cry baby.

Todd Stallion says:

You guys are right. I'm a complete and utter asshole.

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