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Candy in Court: County Attorney Andrew Thomas lays groundwork for Serial Shooter's appeal.

Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 12:00:00 AM

Pursing his lips and hanging on defense attorney Ken Everett's every utterance, County Attorney Andrew "Candy" Thomas did not look as if he was relishing his role as witness Friday morning in the court of Judge Roland Steinle. At one point, the dapper, dour Thomas even directed Deputy County Attorney Laura Reckart to object to a question by Everett during the hearing challenging his wiretaps of alleged Serial Shooter Dale Hausner. For this, Thomas earned a mild rebuke from the judge.

"I can tell you based upon 15 years [in] Maricopa County dealing with Ms. Reckart," said Judge Steinle, "she is a very capable attorney. We will at least assume for the sake of argument here if she thinks she wants to object, she will."

Dutifully following her boss' lead, Reckart objected on the grounds that Everett's question was irrelevant. Steinle overruled the objection.

The entire exchange drew laughter from the courtroom, the only moment of levity in an otherwise stale hearing, wherein Everett repeatedly questioned Thomas' motives for approving emergency wiretaps on then-suspected serial killers Samuel Dieteman and Dale Hausner. Dieteman pleaded guilty earlier this month to two counts of first degree murder. Hausner is facing eight counts of first degree murder, as well as other charges.

Under A.R.S. 13-3015, Thomas approved emergency wiretaps on the two in 2006. As required under the same statute, a judge okayed the County Attorney's emergency order 48 hours after the fact. The content of those wiretaps implicated Hausner and Dieteman in the killings, and led to their arrests. Prior to that, neither the police nor Thomas believed that probable cause existed to arrest the men.

Everett, constantly at odds with a judge who seemed to favor the prosecution, accused Thomas of using the emergency order out of convenience, to obtain probable cause where none existed before. Thomas denied this.

"We wanted to stop the killing," Thomas stated at one point. "That was my goal.”

Later he added, "The statute authorized the position I took."

Thomas argued that, even though they did not have probable cause to put the pair in handcuffs, there was a situation that involved, according to the statute, "immediate danger of death or serious physical injury to any person, and that such death or serious physical injury may be averted by interception of wire, electronic or oral communications before an order authorizing such interception can be obtained." That's the bar set by A.R.S. 13-3015.

Why did Thomas believe there was "immediate danger of death or serious physical injury"? Both Dieteman and Housner were under constant surveillance by the Phoenix police, who had the night before watched as they drove suspiciously down side streets, apparently stalking possible victims. At least, that was the assumption of the cops and of Thomas.

"The Phoenix’s police surveillance of the vehicle the night before and its conduct [seeming] consistent with that of the serial shooters, was a key piece of evidence in my reaching that conclusion [concerning the emergency order]," Thomas contended.

But if a judge was willing to sign off on a warrant to install listening devices beforehand (as happened in this case), and was willing after the fact to approve Thomas' emergency order, why didn't Thomas instruct the cops to obtain a traditional wiretap order from the judge? Defense attorney Everett implied it was because it was expedient for Thomas and the cops if the C.A. used his 48-hour emergency authority. Testimony from two police detectives after Thomas left the witness stand did not contradict this implication by Everett.

Don't get me wrong. With Dieteman set to testify against Hausner, Hausner's eventual conviction seems a sure bet. But in Friday's hearing, which is set to continue May 21 with the testimony of Judge James Keppel -- the judge who approved Thomas' emergency order after the fact, Everett seems to be laying the groundwork for an eventual appeal. That's an appeal Thomas left the door open to by not crossing every "t"
and dotting every "i."

As mentioned, Hausner and Dieteman were under constant surveillance by a team of cops. Phoenix police Sgt. Sherrard appeared after Thomas, explained the surveillance of Hausner and Dieteman, and related how the pair were allowed to come and go from their apartment as they wished. The Sergeant also said he would have been available to go before a judge for a conventional wiretap warrant if asked.

Detective Richard LeBel of the PHX PD took the stand later, his expertise being wiretaps and writing affidavits asking judges for same. He contended that writing an affidavit for a conventional wiretap would have taken up too much time, and would have been voluminous, compared with other affidavits. An emergency order from a County Attorney was more convenient, apparently.

Told about Friday's testimony, former County Attorney Rick Romley believed the door had been left open for a defense appeal on the matter.

"There's no question at all," Romley told me. "It's clearly the basis for appeal."

Romley agreed that the affidavit for a conventional wiretap was more complex, that the authorities had to prove that they had exhausted all other means of obtaining info before turning to such an intrusive investigative tool. However, he argued that preparing such a document was by no means an insurmountable task.

"First of all, if they'd already got the affidavit and the authorization for bugging a house, most of the stuff is cut and paste," said Romley. "Most of the stuff in that affidavit would be used in your wiretap. It's not like you had to create it out of whole cloth. That's just hogwash and bull.

"Number two, it doesn't matter what the cop thinks," he continued. "The obligation is on the County Attorney for him to be the sort of temporary judge...The County Attorney has to be asking those kinds of questions. So what if it's tough? OK, it may be tough, but you're going to have to do it anyway in 48 hours [for the emergency order]. Why do you need it immediately? That's the question."

The former County Attorney contested the idea proffered by the Phoenix PD, that it might have taken months to produce the affidavit required for a conventional wiretap.

"Look, it's hard, I do not want to understate that," admitted Romley. "Wiretap affidavits are much more extensive, a lot more work. But they can be put together in a day. I've seen it done."

Thomas fought having to appear at Friday's hearing, arguing that his appearance might help Hausner on appeal. And indeed it might have, especially considering the doubt it placed upon his decision to grant the appeal by the PHX PD for the emergency wiretap.

Judge Steinle was ordered to hold the hearing by the AZ Court of Appeals, and he did not seem happy about it. He looked eager to get the whole thing over with so he could rule against the defense. I would be extremely surprised if he ruled otherwise. He had already accepted evidence from the wiretaps as evidence, before being ordered to hold Friday's hearing.

Whatever Steinle does, Thomas may have ultimately botched the case against Hausner by using a legal shortcut to get enough on the Serial Shooters to arrest them. One thing's for certain, if the authorities had gone the extra mile to obtain a conventional wiretap warrant, Friday's hearing would not have been necessary.


15 Comments:

Hank Hill says:

Typical Candy Thomas and his ilk, flaunting their disregard for the law. They're only concerned with EVERYONE else having to follow the law. Butt licks like Candy and Joke believe they're above the law.

Now these scum bags will walk like the rest of the 44% of indigent defendents that walk in Maricopa County.

Nelson for County Attorney!

Saban for Sheriff!

Concerned in AZ says:

Thank you, Stephen, for staying on top of the County Attorney Andrew Thomas wiretapping story. We're horrified to think self-righteous, grandstanding leaders would stoop so low as to violate our rights -- especially on "high-profile" cases where every "i" must be dotted, and every "t" crossed!

This all raises a question, why the rush to get a plea from Dieteman? He was going no where.

It makes one wonder how many others are sitting in prison with the County Attorney pushing through their agenda at the expense of their rights, which impact us all.

When County Attorney A. Thomas can wiretap, with total disregard of the judges and system, then he puts everyone at risk for the same over zealous prosecution. He used poor judgment. Those who use poor judgment are sitting in jails and prisons. How does he get to sit above it all?

Where are the silent voices of the AZ Bar, the AG, the Governor? This County and State are out of control! Those who remain silent are just as culpable. Like the person sitting in the back of the car when a shooting takes place, and had no idea it was going to happen, yet they sit in prison for decades!

If this were a doctor, a nurse, teacher or other professional, they would all be dealt with harshly by their employers and professional boards. Attorneys handle people's lives also, and they should be held to the same standards as the medical professionals. Over 2.2 million adults in the U.S. prisons are proof of lost lives. They all had lawyers.

County Attorney Thomas and Sheriff Arpaio have failed at their jobs by turning their positions of power into ones of abuse of power, as weapons to destroy the people and our society. They have made Maricopa County and the state of Arizona a bad place to live and raise a family. We can no longer tolerate this.

VOTE FOR PROFESSIONALISM: FOR GERALD RICHARD FOR COUNTY ATTORNEY AND DAN SABAN FOR SHERIFF!!

A Vote for GERALD RICHARD, is a Vote for JUSTICE! says:

We've had enough of the County Attorney's and Sheriff's election year grandstanding, stand-offs at OK Corral, terrorizing small towns with vulnerable people, "high-profile" labeling of cases for even more grandstanding, night-time Swat team arrests with being taken to jail for misdemeanors, and now wiretapping! When is the public going to wise up and get rid of Thomas and Arpaio who are costing the taxpayers plenty -- no money left for schools and other community services.

Enough is enough! We voting for:

GERALD RICHARD FOR COUNTY ATTORNEY

DAN SABAN FOR SHERIFF

Coz says:

Everyday Maricopa County is becoming more and more the re-incarnated Nazi Germany with politicians like Arpaio, Thomas & Pearce…

A change is defiantly needed…and needed soon.

Anonymous says:

Should Sheriff Joe be investigated for civil rights violations?


Yes, he's wrongly targeting Hispanics.
4.40 %

No, he's doing a good job and should win an award.
95.60 %

Must suck being a minority. 4.4% LOL !!!!!!!!!

Kochise says:

I think wiretapping is necessary under specific circumstances surrounding the most dangerous threats coming from inside this country.
For one: Homegrown Terrorism is immenent in the future and the Government knows it already. For instance, lets say if Obama or Clinton were to be president of the U.S.(and its still possible under McCain because of his immigration policies) We are going back to the horrors of McVeigh on April, 19, 1995.
Which is why I support the federal law that was pass post 9/11 era to divert and prevent another terrorist attack. This law was facing severe criticism from the Dems. It was a law designed to wiretap and monitor terrorists cells both domestically and foreign. But because they said there was abuse of this law by the feds who were invading people`s privacy, I think they should it pass once again to focus more on Domestic Terrorists and White Extremists since its becoming more mainstream and obvious to everyone(we see these junkets carrying pistols and rifles and the protests) and pose a more greater threat than Al Queada simply because they're already(Un-)American citizens in this country and may be planning another McVeigh bombing against the Government for their failure to enforce Immigration Laws as they see fit.

Which is why we need wiretappings on White Separatists, Militias and KKK. Folks like Steele who needs to be under surveliance for his possible association with such "patriotic" hate groups.

Moms at risk in AZ says:

Unfortunately when you have those like Thomas and Arpaio in positions of power, who are going to do everything "their" way, then wiretapping becomes a tool they use against the people, at whim. They can slap a "terrorist" label on anyone, just as they "stack" charges and they can wiretap anyone. We have lost enough rights to catch a few bad guys who know how to escape, while regular people get snared into the criminal justice system without a clue as to how their life will be destroyed by the broken system.

It's easier to catch a suburban mom with half a drink at a local family restaurant, or beseige a small town of vulnerable working people, than to catch a hardened criminal. Election years bring out the worst in the grandstanding and people get used as political pawns for their own gain.

Why is it we hear the Sheriff sweeps in and catches many in a drop house, yet we never hear one word about who the owns the home where they are held captive? What is being done with those "homeowners"? Where is the money coming from for those mortgages? Or are they paid off in cash? The media needs to cover this?

Concerned Citizen says:

Sheriff Arpaio should be hunting these Hate groups down rather than hunting down the workers in small towns. That's his job to protect us from these homegrown terrorists. He certainly knows who they are!

Anonymous says:


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/09/opinion/09wed1.html?_r=3&hp&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin


I am disappointed that the NYTimes writer did not check their facts before sending this story. I am also disturbed that so many people are supporting illegal activity. Illegal immigrants are trespassing and stealing what is rightfully ours' as tax paying citizens.
Sheriff Arpaio is not in charge of the prison system here in Arizona however he does over see the jails in Maricopa County. Guadalupe, Arizona is a 1 square mile town of pure danger. You want to know why protesters carried guns into Guadalupe? To level the playing field. They complain about how much crime is in their little city however when crime happens and the deputies try to question or apprehend suspects no one will aid in prosecution for fear of retaliation from one of the five KNOWN gangs, not being deported. They want only 2 officers in their town yet there is crime in every corner and no one can be everywhere at once, especially 2 deputies. A place this dangerous needs a full squad. Guadalupe had its own police department at one time. It too was filled with crime and became nearly totally corrupt. Every level of the city government is infiltrated with crime and city officials interfere when deputies do their job. When the Sheriff did come to their city with a group of deputies what did they do? Bad mouth him as soon as the media questioned them. By the way this wasn't the first time a group of deputies have been in the city to "crack down," it's just that this one got noticed. Sure its election year, let the people see what they are getting for their money, A GOOD DEAL. Guadalupe City officials want to pick and choose the laws their citizens obey, sorry it doesn't work that way.
Leaving that particular incident aside I also want to mention that the laws being enforced by the Sheriff and his deputies. They are supported by a vast but QUIET MAJORITY in our county. Walk down a "Middle America" street here in Maricopa county see what the REAL STORY is. Many of us are tired of getting the short end when it comes to government assistance, education and crime. Our wages do not go up with inflation because illegals can work for less, sending their UNTAXED money to their native countries. Employers do not pay taxes either for them paying them cash "under the table." Yet these illegal employees are quick to sign up for services that tax dollars pay for. We have the highest rate of ID theft here due to illegal immigrants using our identification to get credit and then once they are ready to leave, we try to put our lives together again, owing thousands on credit cards, homes and vehicles. Illegal immigrants drive without licenses and no insurance ALL of us pay the price when they have an accident in higher insurance rates, take a look at the rates in Arizona, especially the Phoenix Metro Area. Our children can't get a solid education because we have so many kids who don't speak any English trying to be integrated into our schools. The parents of these same children don't pay taxes for this education that is better than they receive in Mexico but it could be even better if they paid their fair share, which means come here LEGALLY. Children here illegally can no longer get scholarships into our weighed down higher education system, many paid for by tax dollars. These scholarships should go to families who paid for these scholarships. Shoot healthcare system is weighed, try having a special needs child and getting any assistance, you can't if you have a college savings account for your child. A tax paying citizen cannot save to provide a higher education for their special needs child if they want to keep them alive nope you have to choose one or the other. However the ACHSS healthcare system, provide by the state is filled with children of illegal immigrants and pregnant illegal immigrants. There are times where you walk into some doctor's offices and feel as a second class citizen because you have your own health insurance.
Yes, there are faults in every government system but if anything Sheriff Joe Arpaio is making it known that something needs to be done and the citizens who work & pay taxes and don't harbor illegal activity are sick and tired of being the "Whipping Boy" for the wealthy and people who should have NO SAY in our policies, let alone even be here. If anything Democrats and Republicans as well as all the others need to sit up take notice and fix our borders send illegals back to their countries and have them sit through the process to come here to work, live or be educated LEGALLY.
Don't portray us as a bunch of gun slinging red-necks, know us first. The writer of this Editorial is using stereotypes and shading the truth for a story that was poorly written to assist in their cause, whatever it may be.

D.J. Racist Ryke says:

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ........

Boring conversations coming from these Natavists who do nothing but whine and complain on here, so I had to skip out on what he said.......

Mom is correct, if Joe and Little Joe Thomas were to remained in office, Maricopa County will be a hell hole.
They will wiretap law abiding American citizens who are excercising their Freedom of Speech.

To Concerned Citizen:
Don't bet on it, that Arpaio will go after racist "hate groups". Remember he spoke at the White Supremacists meeting in sunnyslope, at their Thursdays night krackers in the Library? Well it appears he supports Neo-Nazis and KKK just by speaking and attending their weekly meetings, plus he "deputized" Rusty the Kkklown Childress in his folds.
Also, last year, Arpaio went on CNN`s Lou Dobbs and made an infamous statement how he likes it when he is called KKK. He doesn't mind being compared to KKK. So if you actually think he`ll wiretap such violent individuals whose membership is those I mentioned, then you must be out of your mind. He won't protect and serve the community but only to harrass American citizens of color........

This Novemeber Saban will come back with a vengeance. It will be the return of the soldier!
Law & Order will be restored.

Concerned Citizen says:

Anonymous, you're off topic here -- This is not about immigration -- it's about wiretapping by County Attorney Andrew Thomas, who decided to not call the judge first but make the decision on his own!

The county and the state are a mess created over decades. Now it dominates everything we do since it's an election year and time for the politicos to grandstand, fearmonger and get elected.

maryis says:

Back to the illegal wiretapping... I guess the border goons' priorities don't include the possible appeals and mistrials and God knows what else that just might allow a serial killer freed because Andrew Thomas thought that his 'above the law' tactics when it comes to illegals and allegiance to the seig heil sheriff would get a pass anywhere. The idiot actually thought that overstepping his bounds whenever the hell he pleased would just be swept under the rug again.

Vigilant in Maricopa County says:

"Swept under the rug" is the phrase that best describes the operations of County Attorney Andrew Thomas and his office. The public is paying attention.

Concerned Citizen says:

County Attorney Andrew Thomas is caught wiretapping a high-profile case, and it seems he doesn't even give it a second thought. If this case was not a high-profile one, drawing much attention, he might not have been caught. It's chilling to think how many others may be sitting in prison who have been wire tapped, that we haven't heard about!

It's time to vote Thomas OUT, and get professionalism back into the County Attorney's office. Gerald Richard will get our vote.

Anonymous says:

We need experience and character in the office of County Attorney. Vote Tim Nelson!!!

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