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The Battle of Bell Rd., Part Deux: Mayor Phil Gordon blasts Sheriff Joe Arpaio.

Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:33:10 AM

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See anything interesting about this MCSO vehicle?

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Hmmm...maybe them deputies ain't all bad...

The battle of Bell Road ended abruptly last night, around 8:30 p.m., when the MCSO called it quits, bringing to an end the most contentious of the Sheriff's anti-immigrant sweeps. The Sheriff told other reporters present that they wouldn't be back today, as they had only planned to be out for two days at Bell and Cave Creek Roads, beginning Thursday night.

However, the quick end to the operation had the feel of a retreat. Once again, the MCSO had been met by an angry crowd of demonstrators, slightly smaller than the one of 700 that gathered Thursday night. There were no PHX cops around, and a slightly-larger contingent of pro-Joe counter-demonstrators was present. Though the two sides were separated by barricades, insults and waterbottles were thrown by both sides. One bottle-tosser from the anti-Joe crowd was arrested. And the tension between the two camps was in the pre-riot stage. The MCSO's decision to pack up quickly deflated the situation.

In the weirdest incident of the eve, this Anglo dood showed up with a shotgun strapped to his back. Folks told me he first came onto the lot without the shotgun and asked if Joe was there. When he was told Arpaio wasn't around, he left, then returned with the shotgun. The anti-Joe side informed the MCSO, and they took him into custody. No indication of which side he was on, if any. He just seemed like a nut.

The Arizona Republic awoke from its slumber and finally covered the donnybrook on the front page of today's paper, reporting on Mayor Phil Gordon's speech lambasting Joe at the Cesar Chavez luncheon on Friday. The address was a surprising one, especially coming from Gordon, who has hardly been known for his political vertebrae. Gordon said, in part:

"Last night, the Sheriff communicated with the law enforcement professionals of our community like he communicates with most everyone by issuing a press release. He announced that his 200 volunteer posse members would be migrating north to crack down on illegal aliens. `Migrating North.' That's the phrase he used -- intentionally mocking the language of the hard-working migrant workers who we honor and celebrate today. He says he's doing this because 10 business owners -- including a pawn shop and a biker store -- asked him to. And who helped circulate those 10 signatures to deliver to the Sheriff? A self-described neo-Nazi."

You can read the entire speech, here. In actuality, there were only eight signatures from eight businesses, and the petition was the brain child of alleged public urinator Buffalo Rick Galeener. Technically, Galeener is not a neo-Nazi, though he is a bigot. A fine point, I know, but one worth making. His group, United for a Sovereign America has accepted neo-Nazis into its ranks, but Buffalo isn't one of them. Could a neo-Nazi have helped him out with the petition? It's possible, I reckon. However, I suspect that the Mayor's facts were off a smidgen in this case.

The Sheriff promised to take his anti-immigrant dragnets to other parts of town. Considering the near-riot they inspired this time around, you've gotta wonder who would welcome this idiot to their neighborhood. The events of this week have shown that our Sheriff is a menace to public safety, not a protector of it.

82 Comments:

Kochise says:

"Retreat" definately decribed what appeared to be an utter withdrawal of Sheriff`s panzer division last night. I wonder what neighborhood he's going attack next?

This ludicrious Joe Blow Shows is receiving nationwide-international attention. Everybody`s gonna realize what a kkklown he is. Its crazy.

Finally, the mayor had the guts to stand up against the most evil tyrannical sheriff in U.S. I hope the others will stand behind the mayor. This is the Republic, man, not the "rebellion". Its time to put an end to this rebellious Sheriff and his horde of ghastly yahoos.

~Brandy~ says:

Great pic with the Satan...uh, Saban sticker on the MCSO vehicle but how do we know who slapped it on there? I wouldn't put it past one of his supporters to sneak one (or more) on their vehicles. After all, they think that it's OK to vandalize other people's property and that our laws don't apply to them.

Then again, I could picture you slapping one on just for that great photo!!! LOL We all know how you love to stir things up ;o)

~Brandy~ says:

Few truer words were ever spoken than, "Good fences make good neighbors." It's even been studied
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2007-09/bu-gfm091207.php

I grew up off of 40th Street and Thomas. I'm 52 years old and that neighborhood was a wonderful place to grow up. My godparents, lived right across the street from us on Cambridge. They were here from Mexico... legally. Everyone in the neighborhood knew each other and enjoyed each other's friendship. There was no graffiti, no gang activity, no grown men standing around in our streets or in the shopping plaza's parking lot. EVERYONE there respected each other and because of that respect they kept their yards, homes and family in order. If somebody didn't want you in their yard you didn't go there. You respected their boundaries. If you spoke another language you spoke it in your home or among others who spoke it because it was considered disrespectful to use it in front of people who didn't speak it. It was ALL about respect.

The problem today is that all of that respect doesn't exist in the illegals who come here. They obviously don't respect our laws or they wouldn't be here without documentation. They certainly don't respect us enough to learn our language to communicate with us. In fact, many blatantly refuse to learn it at all and claim that we should learn theirs! They have no respect for our property or they wouldn't trash our desert, our streets or our neighborhoods.

The respect from many (not all) of them no longer exists. Now they have some sort of sense of entitlement. I believe it is because we allowed them to get by with so much for so long. We went out of our way to translate for them. We ignored all of them coming here illegally... even after we gave them amnesty! Now they feel that their numbers are strong enough to push their way over on us and our laws. They're wrong.

They've forgotten how very important respect is to most of us Americans and that in order to get respect you must give it first.

Concerned Citizen says:

Sheriff Arpaio and his supporters are creating hatred and divide which is escalating by the day. How long do they think people will take it, as their lives are being destroyed without it becoming a civil war?

Sheriff Arpaio comes from another time and he's ruined the fine state of Arizona.

Sheriff Joe Must Go! Thank you for keeping the public informed. You and the Phoenix New Times have been the only voice against the other media lemmings who show one side -- that of Arapio and his grandson, County Attorney Andy Thomas. Their abuse of power against 'workers" and vulnerable people is cowardly, when they should be hunting down the sick and depraved criminals. Maybe they don't recognize who those are, since they are one in the same with them. They are an embarrassment to the state of Arizona and America.

HAD ENOUGH OF GRANDSTANDING BY THE SHERIFF!! says:

We've had enough of the Gestapo reign of Sheriff Arpaio and County Attorney A. Thomas and will flip the switch this election year!

VOTE FOR DAN SABAN AND GET RID OF THESE GOONS!

Keeping Vigilant in AZ says:

Loved the bumper sticker! Most officers have more brains than the Sheriff. It's time for a professionally run Sheriff's department and time to kick them out of the Wells Fargo building. As taxpayers we can no long afford what this wing-nut is costing us.

Mr. Lemons, you are courageous. You are dealing with a dangerous bunch since it is obvious Sheriff Arapio does not care who he destroys. We are witnessing a sick and depraved sheriff running out of control.

VOTE FOR DAN SABAN FOR SHERIFF

Emil Pulsifer says:

The Mayor is a political realist. While it's true that the Cesar Chavez luncheon audience was tailor-made for such a speech, it's also true that these remarks, being newsworthy and interesting, were bound to be widely reported. I doubt, therefore, that he would go out on a limb in quite so public a fashion if he lacked the confidence to do so.

On March 14th, 12 News reported that the Arizona Auditor General was advancing the audit of MCSO RICO funds (previously scheduled for 2009) to take place "within the next few weeks".

Does anyone know the current status of the Auditor General's investigation? Has it in fact begun?

I feel certain that Mr. Hendershott could offer special insights into the disposition of RICO funds, were he available for comment and inclined to do so. Has anyone heard from him lately?

Coz says:

Arpaio keeps up with his BS, he is going to be the reason a racial riot starts or someone gets hurt.....and the reason another huge civil suit will be filed against him, Maricopa County and it's tax payers.

Bozo Joke Arpaio has no common decency, no common sense, no ethic's and no morals.

But he is the most corrupt Sheriff in America !

The dirtbag needs to be sent packing along with ALL the Bozo Joke Goons in 2008 !

Coz says:

Now....here's an example of some real honest police work. No fanfare, no ego driven media stunts, no Hey, Look at me, I'm America's Toughest Sheriff bullshit... just good old HONEST Police work...

Something Bozo Joke Arpaio knows nothing about...

Arpaio has got to go in 2008 !


Arizona Republic
Valley & State news update
Mar. 29, 2008 12:00 AM

446 held in anti-gang push
Authorities statewide have made 446 arrests since December as part of an operation targeting violent gang members with outstanding warrants, Arizona Department of Public Safety officials said Friday.

Operation Checkmate developed from assaults on several state police officers by gang members in the latter half of 2007.

Those arrested were documented gang members wanted for crimes including sexual and aggravated assault, auto theft, criminal damage, drug possession, weapons misconduct, trafficking in stolen property, and probation violations.

Dennis Gilman says:

Brandy,
Your comments amuse me but I'm afraid I disagree.

I've lived in Thomas neighborhood for 25 years and I'm pretty sure you are discribing MayBerry RFD instead of 40th and Thomas.

My recollection is more like the actual crime stat's: Its safer now then it was 10 years ago, no thanks to the Sheriff.

I really dont want to disturb your fantasy's but the fact is immigrants (Undocumented or Not) commit the smallest percentage of crimes in the U.S. Even most of our Terrorist attacks are Home-Grown.

Steele says:

It's so very sad that some (not all) of the Hispanic community thinks that they are above our laws. Being a good American has nothing to do with race, color, religion, gender, etc. It has to do with loving our country ABOVE ALL OTHERS, obeying our laws and making sure that they apply to EVERYONE! THANK YOU TO THE PROUD AMERICAN HISPANICS WHO STOOD WITH US LAST NIGHT.

Even sadder is the fact that most Hispanics fail to realize that they have European blood in them too and that their Spanish that they speak is from a European language! HELLO, SPAIN IS IN EUROPE! There would be no Mexicans if the Spaniards hadn't gone to Mexico and bred with the indigenous people there. Funny how they seem to just forget all that.

They also seem to forget that Cesar Chavez supported and fought for the 'migrant agricultural workers'. These were AMERICAN CITIZENS (read The Grapes of Wrath) who migrated from State to State to pick farm produce in different seasons. Whole families used to do that during and after the depression and into the 50's.

These were American poor people who used the Summer jobs for the whole family to work together and make money. These were not illegal aliens Cesar Chavez was supporting! In fact, he and his two brothers (his family lived on the border with Mexico in Somerton Arizona) were known to chase the illegal entrants with rocks back to their side of the border! He did not want them coming in to take the work of the American citizen agricultural workers, nor did he want them lowering their wages by their presence. People don't know the real history because the illegal Hispanic people and their supporters DON'T WANT THAT KNOWN! Paul Chavez, his own son seems to forget it too.

Our mayor obviously hasn't got or grown the stones to stand up to the Hispanic population and tell them that our laws apply to them too! He's too busy brown nosing them in hopes that they will help him keep his job. I think that he thinks that there are enough of them here now to stand up to us American citizens who want our laws to apply to them and be enforced. He thinks that he's chosen the 'winning side'. For so long many of us ignored what was going on so we didn't speak up or get involved. He's wrong. After the last two nights on Cave Creek Road and Bell I am happy and proud to say that Arizona is waking up and ready to fight them. People we joining us and asking what can they do and how can they help us to stop the illegal aliens and get our laws enforced. THANK YOU TO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU WHO STOOD THERE WITH US.

I am proudest of all of our youth who came to stand with us and who waved the American flag high and proud. The future belongs to them and if we don't stop what is going on right now their future will be screwed!!! I hope that we see them at our meetings and I hope that they bring their friends. We need them. THANK YOU YOUNG AMERICANS!

I don't care what lies our pansy mayor spews about us. The people who know us know the truth about us. The people who don't will either take the time to find out for themselves or they'll trust our politicians and the media and live in a fool's paradise.

James Cooney says:

Ok People heres some history

Cesar Chavez

The UFW during Chávez's tenure was committed to restricting immigration.
Chavez, a third generation American, was a rough, tough labor leader. When he headed the United Farm Workers union, he was the first
person to call

the Immigration and Naturalization Service when he learned that a recently arrived group of Mexicans “without papers,”

as you have put it, were hunting for jobs.

Chavez knew that his responsibility was to protect the interests of his members. So determined was Chavez to keep cheap labor out that he offered UFW staffers to the I.N.S. to help the agency patrol the California/Mexico border.
In its early years, Chávez and the UFW went so far as to

report illegal aliens

who served as strikebreaking replacement workers, as well as those who refused to unionize, to the Immigration and Naturalization Service.[4][5][6][7][8]

1986 federal immigration act.

Legislative background and description
The law criminalized the act of knowingly hiring an illegal immigrant and established financial and other penalties for those employing illegal aliens under the theory that low prospects for employment would reduce illegal immigration. It introduced the I-9 form to ensure that all employees presented documentary proof of their legal eligibility to accept employment in the United States.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

LOOK IT UP.

THIS SHOWS EVERYONE THAT OUR SHERIFF JOE IS THE ONLY ONE WHO KNOWS WHAT HE IS DOING IN AZ.
WE CAN NOW PUT THE GREAT JOE WITH THE GREAT CESAR CHAVEZ..

THANK YOU JOE & ALL YOU PEOPLE..

Jim Williams says:

I don't think it was a retreat.It was a smart move. If you are going to tell a story tell the truth.Water bottles were thrown by the illegal alien supporters,They were also the ones spitting on people and threatening them.You can talk about the sheriff all you want but more dangerous than the sheriff and his supporters is a one sided liar telling the public what is going on.You were there and made some stupid comments about the size of the objects being thrown.You were also told that we knew it would be reported wrong and lopsided.The good thing is that when it is all sid and done the truth will be the last thing standing and everyone will see who the real idiots are.

Steele says:

In response to Coz, Dennis Gilman and the other irresponsible opinion slingers, like the Bird. Here are the FACTS. Factual statements and the Rule Of Law enforsed are the Right side is asking for. The irresponsible statements you make and the direction you suggest this country should continue in will result in Civil War, and since you people are out numbered 8 to 1 (thanks God) the Civil War you seek will be nothing short than mass suicide for you and yours.

FACTS:

NS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants
2006 (First Quarter)

95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
83% of warrants for murder in Phoenix are for illegal aliens.
86% of warrants for murder in Albuquerque are for illegal aliens.
75% of those on the most wanted list in Los Angeles, Phoenix and Albuquerque are illegal aliens.
24.9% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally
40.1% of all inmates in Arizona detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally
48.2% of all inmates in New Mexico detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally
29% (630,000) convicted illegal alien felons fill our state and federal prisons at a cost of $1.6 billion annually
53% plus of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens.
50% plus of all gang members in Los Angeles are illegal aliens from south of the border.
71% plus of all apprehended cars stolen in 2005 in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and California were stolen by Illegal aliens or "transport coyotes".
47% of cited/stopped drivers in California have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 47%, 92% are illegal aliens.
63% of cited/stopped drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 63%, 97% are illegal aliens
66% of cited/stopped drivers in New Mexico have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 66% 98% are illegal aliens.

BIRTH STATISTICS
380,000 plus "anchor babies" were born in the U.S. in 2005 to illegal alien parents, making 380,000 babies automatically U.S.citizens and, under our laws, entitled to invite the rest of their family to join them.
97.2% of all costs incurred from those births were paid by the American taxpayers.
66% plus of all births in California are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers.

As always, spread the word.

A Neighbor says:

I've lived near Cavecreek and Bell for over 18 years, and everyone who lives around there knows that from Cavecreek and Bell up to Greenway and Cavecreek, over to 32nd St. and back down to Bell is known as the square. This neighborhood has always been crime ridden, an epicenter for drug/gang activity in this part of the valley, it's never been safe to walk in, and it's so dangerous that the Police Dept. opened a substation in the local McDonald's years ago.

I am not mad that she sheriff went into a bad neighborhood and tried to clean up. It is not our fault that there are illegals living in the neighborhood that has long been the epicenter for drug/gang activity. It would just be nice to have a clean neighborhood, and taking gang members, drug dealers and rapists off the street is necessary. It's not anyones fault that illegal aliens are their neighbors.

I'm sure that demographic information would be interesting to look at for this particular neighborhood.

Slavyanski says:

If the people of Maricopa country reelect Arpaio one more time, I would say they deserve the guy. It's one thing to expose and highlight a corrupt sheriff- but now that many people across the country are aware of him, they got to start wondering why this guy is still in power.

Smooth says:

Your kidding right?

I don't know where the BirdTurd was Friday night until he "slithered" in at about 8:00, but the water bottles were thrown by the illegal alien criminal supporters and the guy with the shotgun was standing on their side, and the idiot arrested for disorderly conduct was on their side.....Bird your a liar that needs a bar of soap and a shower.....I have been close enough to you to speak of this first hand. Your reporting is laughable.....I was at this protest on the front line standing at the barricades and saw the whole thing.....and you sir are a liar and a sensationalist.....not fit to write even for this rag.
Did I mention that you are a liar?
I am sick of watching you "report" this crap....tell the real story, tell the story of a people who sneak into my country illegaly, tell the story of a people who come here with their hand out taking from my children's future. Tell the story of the Chandler Rapist, talk about Nick Erfle getting shot in the face while our Mayor is rubbing elbows with those he hopes will get him into position to sniff Napolitanos chair.
Tell the real story Turd.

HAD ENOUGH OF SHERIFF JOE! VOTE FOR DAN SABAN says:

The real idiots are the bigots who are fueling the battle. Unfortunately, they and the Sheriff are of the same ilk. Running rough shod through people and destroying their lives, families and ability to make a living lacks common sense and balance. A few wing-nuts in control are creating much damage and destruction, which is escalating everyday and is further dividing the community. Sheriff Arpaio needs professional psychological testing -- like they give everyone else snared into his tangled web of injustice.

Dennis Gilman says:

First of all, to argue on the Internet is like running in The Special Olimpics, even if you win-you are still retarded.

Well, that being said, Hey James Cooney: NICE USE OF THE CAPS LOCK!!! WOW. NOW I REALLY BELEIVE YOUR SHITTY LIES!

And of course, Mr. Williams, United For Soveriegn America came out to simple be good loving Amerikins and Speak Inglish! They never cuase any trouble, never lie or use racial slurs at small children. They dont urinate in public and never break the law. None are involved with Neo Nazi groups. They all work 2 jobs to support there family and protest 4 hours a day in front of a Devil Worshipers Alter masquerading as a Day Labor Center becuase they are filled with love for all.
When they are not doing this, they are busy volunteering at church teaching Spanish as a Second Language.

OK, I get it. Reality is no longer needed.

Thanks guys. Or should I say THANKS GUYS!

Citizen says:

Why do we even need new laws when an executive order will do?:

http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2008/03/rhode_island_ta.php

CooperG says:

A race riot is exactly what they want. They pray every day someone does something stupid they can point to as "proof" of some imagined barbaric nature of immigrants.

Unfortunately for them, folks like Sal Raza understand this is what they want and will calm people down, which shows immigrants and their supporters are peaceful people.

You never hear anyone on the anti-Arpaio side talking about race riots. Only the Arpaio supporters.

What does THAT tell you?

Angry White Guy says:

Interesting observation:

http://www.vdare.com/sailer/050313_gap.htm

"I guess you can call this one the White Guy Gap.

I suspect that liberals are now paying the price for decades of insulting white men. White males make up about one third of the population, but the problem with white guys, from a liberal perspective, is that they happen to be the people who get most of the big things done in this country. That's just unfair, no, that's downright evil of them.

Now, white men are probably the most tolerant and forbearing of any American group—they've been raised to take it like a man—but they are also only human. So, when they finally do get mad, they are a formidable force."

http://www.vdare.com/sailer/050313_gap.htm

All those decades of media, dyke, homo, liberal, academia spouted garbage about "white bread", "white trash", "angry white guy", "dead white male oppressor" bullshit is now coming around full force.

Citizen says:
Citizen says:

I notice that the pro-illegal promoters like to compare the nativists to Nazis and Hitler.

But, were the Jews trying to sneak into the Third Reich?

Not that I can recall.

TEX says:

Coz made a good point regarding another lawsuit directed at the Sheriff. Say, if another riot or violence were to breakout, I'm all for the Sheriff being held cupable for it, since he's the one displaying instigative tactics on non-Whites and trying to provoke some kind of riot with his media whorin. Yes, I was there at the demo on Bell Rd. & 25th and I strongly disagree with Jim Williams. The natavists extremists were so vile & rabid like a bunch of infected inbreeds. I heard nothing positive coming from the Joe supporters while I was there for an hour. Although, I use to see the Mayor as a cowardly lion but I think he found the "strength" to stand up against a ruthless, bullying geriatric Sheriff. And Phil made some solid points. Simply by asking yourself--who are the REAL criminals:

1.) A person driving with a broken taillight or a Meth Head stealing copper from schools, ball parks, light poles et al???

2.) A person driving with one headlight on,
Or the ATM thieves in need of cash to support their Meth habits???

3.) A person standing around looking for work or a Pedo-saxon child molester looking for children in parks, schools, neighborhoods etc???

There are thousands of felony search warrants that the ancient Law-man refused to serve and protect this community from. This Sheriff is costing taxpayers millions.

Another problem though, is that some of these old fannies and grey hairs over 50 expect time to stand still like it won't change. But don't get me wrong, I'm all for immigration reform but not racial profiling. But sorry, going after people with broken taillights isn't helping. I give props to the Phoenix PD for their REAL crime fighting message that they are sending out.
Thanx 2 the Phoenix PD!
But..
No Thanx 2 the Sheriff!

NoMoreJo says:

Joe is a dangerous man. He is willing to seek out media attention at any cost. The fact that he sacrafices the public safety of every single protestor for his own self aggrandizement is further evidence that the man is unfit to be sherriff.

Lynch M All says:

Maybe it's time that people like Brandy in the above post step up and take the reins of community leadership from the race-baiting poverty pimps like Alfredo Gutierrez, Danny Ortega, and Salvador Reza. These guys are the Mwxican equivalent of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. Look at how well blacks as a whole have fared since the civil-rights movement under their tutelage.

These fools hold onto their power by keeping their own people down. They discourage assimilation, education, and learning the English language so that everything worth listening to comes from their narrowminded point-of-view. They are puppet masters keeping their own people as pawns. They tell you what media to listen to, where to shop and where to work. Why become educated and get a good job when you can drop out of High School, have a couple of kids before you are out of your teen years and work overnight at a tortilla factory for minimum wage? You're doing great things. You're providing food for 'La Raza' and 'La Revoluccion'.

Mexico is a corrupt thirld-world backwater that will probably never rise above its corrupt, incompetent leadership despite it's abundant resources. You are here to make a better life for you and your family. If you wanted a revolution, why not start it back in your homeland? Probably because you would be shot and dumped into a mass grave. Well, don't come here and do it. Why turn this country into the sewer that you just came from? This is America. You can be Mexican in America, just as you can be German, English, Peruvian, and Austrailian in America. There's something out there called the American Dream. It doesn't come easy or cheaply. However, if you come here legally, work hard, get an education, practice family planning, and stay out of trouble you can have it. The first thing you need to do is stop listening to those putos telling you how America is fucking you over, and realize that they are the only ones standing in your way.

Hank Hill says:

Cooney & Steele: Have you ever heard the saying, "Even the devil can quote the bible"? You two dorks make as much sense as Joe himself - pure gibberish. Go back to grooming each other like two apes.

This isn't about lineage or Cesar Chavez, its about treating people with respect. It's about how wrong racial profiing is. It's about respecting EVERYONE'S constitutional rights. It's about HUMAN rights.

You idiots focus on the fact a few folks are here illegally. First off, you two carpetbaggers think everyone who is brown is here illegally. Those folks have been in the Southwest for 500 years! Second, does one offense of immigration law make someone illegal and rob them of their humanity? If so does that apply to other crimes? And if that is true does that mean that when the crime has a true victim the offender is less human? And if that is true shouldn't you be more concerned with murders, rapists and drug dealers/abusers?

You butt licks chew on that for a while.

As for Joke, I'll tell you who created this monster, the board of supervisors. Either they are the biggest pussies in world or Joke has video of their circle jerk. Take away his funding and you take away his power. What happened to Joke's budget being in a deficit?

I know some of the goosesteppers out there were volunteers but what about the salaries of those sworn deputies? That's big bucks.

If Gordon can grow a pair maybe the damn board of supervisors will too. Until then Joke can kiss my hairy ass.

Kochise says:

Well Lemons, it looks like the Minutemen Civil Defense Corps is headed back to the border for their annual spring "border watch" come this April "FOOLS" day or around there. An estimated 12,000 volunteers expected to be deployed to the border states, especially at the AZ/Mexico border. According to the A.P.

That should lessen the numbers of Joe supporters, leaving it to the Neo-Nazis, Outlaw Bikers, Rednecks and other low lifes.
There are other ways to solve this immigration mess rather than having Sheriff Joe solving it for us, and he isn't the answer to this problem but a problem maker. If Sheriff Joe wants to "round-up" Hispanics, well he needs to go after C.A. Andrew Thomas`s wife and members of "You Don't Speak For Me" since he has a problem with Hispanics.

wingtip says:

Joe Arpaio married Ava Arpaio in 1956. The couple currently have two children and four grandchildren....

Emil Pulsifer says:

Two quick points:

(1) The "FBI statistics" posted by Steele regarding warrants for illegal aliens, etc., are obviously false.

(2) It seems that Citizen/ConcernedCitizen has jumped the fence again. She started out posting right-wing amren.com junk in a discussion on African American crime rates, but finally announced a conversion to reason, admitting having been misled by racist propaganda. For a short while in this thread she was even thanking Mr. Lemons and Phoenix New Times for exposing Uncle Joe's hypocrisy. Now she's returned to the bad old pattern, amid a sudden explosion of similar right-wing posts by others. Hmmm...

Emil Pulsifer says:

Hank Hill, media reports have already documented Arpaio's predilection for surveillance and dirty tricks against some of his competitors and detractors, so it wouldn't surprise me to learn that Uncle Joe has, like J. Edgar Hoover, the LAPD's Bill Gates, and lesser figures, made a point of keeping an eye on prominent political figures in general, with the idea of compiling dossiers that can be used to gain leverage against possible future critics.

For example, it has been suggested that Governor Napolitano is a closet lesbian. Knowledge of her personal associations would have allowed Arpaio to extort cooperation from her at critical moments -- you know, dropping an investigation into the suspicious deaths of inmates in MCSO custody, and that sort of thing.

James Cooney says:

Sorry Dennis Gilman, didn't realize you were one of Jerry's kids. I'm ashamed for arguing with a mentally disabled person. My apologies.

smooth says:

Scares me to see that the liberals here really believe the shit printed in that rag. It really saddens me to know that my grandfather died protecting my country so that in Hank Hill's words "a few folks are here illegally".....I wonder who classified 12-15 million as a few.
That is a fucking invasion asshole....no matter how you look at it.
The only thing racist about me is that I think the BirdTurd and Sal Reza should have to shower before being allowed into crowds of people....but, that's just me.
This country is being destroyed in the name of political correctness and immigration......I am tired of remaining quiet about it. I am the "angry white guy" and as I look around it comforts to me to know that at least I was smart enough to invest in "home security" and personal protection for my family members.

Californicate Arizona says:

How long til the neo-Know Knothings kill some day laborer? I would put the over/under at another 30 days.

Steele says:

Emil Pulsifer, all you need to do is some research to find that the FBI statistics are 100% valid and very easy to verify. But those statistics are very damaging to your pathetic left wing socialist views.
Check with Mark Spencer, President of PLEA, currently 86% of all warrants for murder in Phoenix are for suspected Illegal Aliens.
The truth is hard for all you to argue, I'm sure you think I'm some kind of racist, since that's the very last argument those failing in their defense use in desperation.
I have no reason to defend myself, I have great friends of many different ethnic backgrounds, but all are American Citizens and are proud of this land and will do whatever it takes to preserve the United States from becoming a 3rd world cesspool like Mexico.
I am a US Marine Corp Veteran, who took an oath that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God."
I will never let your type destroy this country.

Emil Pulsifer says:

Whoops. I meant, of course, Daryl Gates (former LAPD Chief) not Bill Gates. Must be a spasm of premature senility, since I don't even have the excuse of having had the computer mogul on my mind...

Emil Pulsifer says:

Steele, if it's so easy to find those (phony) "FBI statistics" why don't you provide an online hyperlink to a Department of Justice or other .gov site acting as a clearinghouse for government statistics; or at the very least, provide a verifiable citation to a government statistical document?

Because I can't find any "NS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants" on the Internet. I did assume this to be a typo, and looked for the same report name with "INS" instead of "NS", but still didn't find it.

What I *did* find was evidence that the supposed report is bogus. For example, it has its own entry at the snopes.com site devoted to debunking all kinds of Urban Legends. Since you claim to be a military man, here's a link to a discussion forum called military.com pointing out that the report is bogus (and note that one of the messages contains a hyperlink to the snopes.com report):

http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/409192893/m/3610047841001

In traditional U.S. Army slang (circa WW II) you, sir, are are what is known as a "blivet". Have a nice day.

Emil Pulsifer says:

Oh, and "Steele" (Buffalo Bill?), the tip-off to the rip-off (as consumer advocate David Horowitz used to put it) is that the INS had *ceased to exist* several years before the date of that bogus "INS/FBI" report for "2006 (First Quarter)". The INS was absorbed into the Department of Homeland Security as of March 1, 2003, and officially became the Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services (BCIS) operating under the Department of Homeland Security:

http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa030103a.htm


Emil Pulsifer says:

Sorry, I seem to have the name "Bill" on my mind today. In refering to "Steele" I wondered if he might be "Buffalo" RICK Galeener. Then again, there's this comment from J.T. Ready:

"Comparing me to a magnificent WWI war hero [Hermann Goering] fighter pilot ace with extensive injuries who was portly later in life? Why, thank you very much. I too have extensive injuries from serving in the Marine Corps including a back injury from helping to save another Marine's life for which I was never awarded. (Ask Corporal Chris Walsh-USMC, 1st LAR Batt, 1st MAR DIV)..."

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/bastard/2007/05/fucking_with_the_antiimmigrati.php

Notice how J.T. Ready inserts that gratuitous reference to asking "Corporal Chris Walsh-USMC, 1st LAR Batt, 1st MAR DIV" -- as if he's nervous about making such a claim and imagines that overwhelming the reader with this kind of detail would add verisimilitude. I mean, all somebody who has really been in the Marine Corps and suffered injuries as a result has to do is to say, in passing, "I suffered injuries in the Marine Corps". They don't cite some USMC corporal by name, right down to his division and battalion, to make the claim more plausible; and nobody is going to try to contact "Chris Walsh" anyway.

Now compare this to the comment by "Steele" referring me to "Mark Spencer, President of PLEA" (Phoenix Law Enforcement Association). Here's somebody that could actually be contacted. It might be interesting if somebody called Mark Spencer to find out if he is really the gullible jackass "Steele" claims he is. (My guess is, no.)

Steele says:

Every other civilized country on this planet, once aware that its border and National Sovereignty was being violated 5000 to 7500 times a day, that would be nothing less than an act of war.

But because of the spoon fed, pot smoking, draft dodging, Timothy Leary leftovers from the 60's (and the worthless children they bred) and their warped, socialist ideals, we are forced to deal with a +/- 20% segment of the population and there pitiful rants. They have nothing better to do, since most of them are somehow sucking off the American taxpayer by some lame disability claim or admitted mental dysfunctions, like Dennis Gilman.

You want these poor, hard working illegals to stay in America, then you house them, feed them and their bambino's, put them on your health care insurance,

Oh wait, most of you are unemployable, and your state issued food stamps and Medicare won't accomplish that, will it??

Emil Pulsifer says:

Speaking of J.T. Ready (whether "Steele" is another of his aliases or not), the Southern Poverty Law Center had an absolutely DELICIOUS quote from J.T. Ready from one of its Intelligence Reports:

He [J.T. Ready] regularly posts to white nationalist online forums, including NewSaxon, where last December he offered this charming observation on the root causes of illegal immigration: "The truth is that negroids screw monkeys and rape babies in afreaka [sic]. Then stupid white man who licks kosher jew rear lets negroids in. … Stop Negroid immigration and integration now!!! Nature will take care of the rest."

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?pid=1533

PA says:

I have one question. WHAT PART OF ILLEGAL DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND????????????

James Cooney says:

Want a lesson on racism ???

Check out http://www.mayorno.com/WhoIsMecha.html

Defend this blatant racism !!!!

If this doesn't confirm their separatist and and revolutionary position, then you are blind, dumb and a waste of skin.

Sal Reza and most of his goon squad is funded directly via La Raza (They directly funded the "purchase" of the Day labor Center to attempt to take some of the heat of of the Puppet Gordon.

Wait until the full audit reports are announced. Some of your political friends will soon be doing Federal time.

Kochise says:

Steele wrote:
"I will support and defend the constituion of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic."

Ok then explain to us why our Constitution and our Freedom as well as American lives are at risk of Homegrown--Domestic terrorism:

TERRORISM--DOMESTIC(United States)Domestic Terrorist Groups:
http://www.espionageinfo.com/Te-Uk/states.html
--"White racists movements remain a major contributor to Domestic Terrorism."--

Let me guess....groups such as F.A.I.R. CCC, and other extremists groups.
What's more disturbing? According to the same article posted above:

--"Of the 205 lives claimed in terrorist incidents within the United States, between 1980 to 1999, more than 80% died in a single attack, the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah federal building in Oklahoma City, April 19, 1995."--

McVeigh......
Far right extremists. Disgusting....

Hence, this opinion written by a well repsected professor named Phillip Jenkins in the L.A. Times:

http://www.latimes.com/opinion

Posted on March 10, 2008
Opinion titled: "Home-Grown Terrorism"

Phillip Jenkins wrote the imminent dangers of White Extreminism. If a Democratic President(particulary Barak Obama) were to be our President, the repeat of the 90`s era of domestic anti-governmental militia activity is on the rise. The growing threat of extreme Christianism by White Supremacists is a serious cause for alarm.
But no matter what "Steele" says, its guys like him who turn the blind eye on the REAL ENEMY. As result of this, the United States Senate was able to enact a bill titled:
H.R.1955 section 31:
VIOLENT RADICALIZATION & HOMEGROWN TERRORISM ACT

Which is designed to twart and divert the planned attacks on innocent lives by White Extremists groups such as F.A.I.R. , CCC, and others.
Its time for everybody to UNITE against White Power and White Domestic Terrorism!!

Dennis Gilman says:

Steele-Every stat you put up is 100% lie. But, just for fun-lets pretend the second one is true, you know, the one that says "83% of warrants for murder in Phoenix are for illegal aliens." IF THAT WERE TRUE,THEN WHY DOESN'T JOE SERVE WARRENTS? (damm you guys got me doing it now)

And a bit of clarification- Its you Nativist Nut Jobs that are constently dragging your dirty flags around declaring war.

Now, I'll go away and let you have your post-fest. But copying crap from other Hate-Sites and posting it here isn't going to help reelect your Sheriff.

Jim Williams says:

Dennis Gillman,I don't know where you are when all of this is going on or where you get your information but I am there in the middle of it.Tell everyone why Sal and Alfredo have to have their "staff" stand shoulder to shoulder to keep their own people on the side of the barricade that they belong on.We don't need people holding us back.They don't respect our borders and they don't respect the boundaries set up when they protest.I didn't see any one on "our " side throw anything but I got hit by a full water bottle.I have been verbally assaulted and threatened and have not threatened anyone.It's the same old story" they can dish it out but they can't take it".They can't stand opposition. But I guess that is what they learned where they grew up.It's what they are taught. Mind your business or get hurt.That is why they can't work for change in their own country.The country is run by corrupt people that would rather shoot you than put up with you.Their ways won't work here in America.We believe in law and law enforcement.They believe in intimidation and violence.If there is any rioting or viollence the responibility will lie with the Mayor and his police chief Harris,for siding with lawlessness,emboldening lawbreakers.Phil Gordon pride of La Raza. What is it the mexicans said after his speech?"We have our mayor back". They thought they lost him on 1.4.3 but they are happy he's back again.When it is all said and done there will be a lot of answers to give and the truth will be known.Gordon knows, Harris knows ,Sal knows ,Alfredo knows,pretty much everyone knows that they are living on borrowed time.Their scheming has been brought to light and will continue to be exposed and the are grasping at straws.

GRIME says:

An honest question for those from the anti-immigration crowd..Given things like NAFTA, Us support for corrupt political parties in Mexico and billions of dollars of aid from the US government to the Mexican government, why is it that you believe the buck stops in Mexico? Yes, the Mexican government is corrupt which causes mass poverty in Mexico which causes illegal immigration to the United States, and some of this responsibility is on the shoulders of Mexicans, but some of it is also on the shoulders of the US government and its tax paying citizens who help to keep these corrupt institutions in place with economic and military support. The question is, why is a government that is so harmful to its people receiving so much support from the United States? Well, I believe that the answer is in the question itself. The Mexican government has overwhelmingly embraced things like NAFTA and other neoliberal policies that are beneficial to the United States. Unfortunately for Mexicans, just like NAFTA is hurting workers here it is also hurting workers in Mexico. But, the Mexican government is able to remain in power with support from the United States because it has embraced neoliberalism, despite the devastating impact of such policies on the working class. What I see when I read these posts is workers fighting workers, when the politicians in both countries are the puppeteers pulling their strings. Disgruntled workers in the US have a lot more in common with disgruntled workers in Mexico than they do with the politicans they vote for and the government they support with their tax dollars. The only way to solve these problems is to look at their causes and not just their outcomes. Both sides must develop an honest discussion about what's going on in our world, otherwise we will continue to waste our energy fighting eachother when the problem is obviously much bigger than illegal immigration.

CooperG says:

No reasonable mind could read some of these posts and not see that white, euro-centric fear mongering is at the heart of the anti-immigration debate in Arizona. The ignorance and hate on display here is astounding not only in the fact that the statistics they pull out of thin air are so wildly wrong, but that so many people just regurgitate it without even thinking how impossible these numbers really are.

It appears, however, that people are starting to wake up to these lies and are beginning to question them openly. Arpaio is losing his luster with the voters and will likely lose. Thomas doesn't stand a chance against either of the two Democrats who are running. Maybe then we can get past this nightmare of hatred and get our economy and society back on track.

CooperG says:

One more thing: If anyone wants to find out anything from the FBI about undocumented immigrants, I suggest you call them (I did) or visit www.fbi.gov. Nowhere will you find what "Steele" says they reported. Not only that, but they'll tell you they don't collect or report any crime statistics that include immigration status.

This means that if ANYONE tells you they have FBI crime statistics on undocumented immigrants, you can know for certain they are --lying-- to you.

You can then ask yourself why you should trust anyone who willingly lies to you.

William Crum says:

I heard that the first thing that Dan Saban will do is get rid of the media staff that the sheriff has and save the taxpayer almost $400,000 dollars. Well done Mr Saban. The second rumor I heard is to trade pink underwear with pink slips.

smooth says:

I still say BirdTurd is a liar that needs a shower and that he could not report the details of a monopoly game accurately.

The liberal left are all sheep who think Obama is really going to "change" things.
Give me a fucking break....you people have no clue.

Slavyanski says:

Just one question Steele, who is asking YOU personally to house and feed those immigrants? It's a proven fact that most of your tax dollars go to pay for wars and intervention in other nations' political affairs(as well as the weapons to do so), and most undocumented immigrants also end up paying taxes as well, while receiving nothing in return in terms of social services.

I know the old rant about how this is not about "racism". I used to claim that too. But here's two questions:

1. As Tim Wise pointed out, what if the US were to make it easier for these people to get in legally, essentially some kind of guest-worker program? This isn't my idea of course, but just hypothetically. If the "illegal" thing is the only issue, then folks shouldn't have a problem with that.

2. What about the non-Mexican, European illegal immigrants? I don't see nativists rising up and supporting various anti-human trafficking organizations and speaking out against women trafficking for sexual exploitation.

3. If the nativist is really just about immigration laws being enforced, why the VDARE rant about the allegedly persecuted White Male?

Dennis Gilman says:

Jim Williams- Are you a dumbass, lier or both?

I was asualted and have it on film friday night by one of your loons.Yup- Been hit with one of those "THANK YOU SHERIFF JOE" signs. Jeez, just becuase you type alot doesn't mean any of it is true. Stop drinking Buffalo Ricks Special Yellow KoolAid, its cuasing you to lose your sense of reality.

You poor baby- some kid hit you with a plastic water bottle after taking 3 months of verbal abuse from you loosers. Perhaps you should go to the hospital as it sounds like you are suffering from brain damage. I have watched the whole bunch of you Verbally asualt little children, make fun of Native American Ceramony, and show no respect for anyone other then a fake Flag and your Sheriff.

That is why there is no Immigration Debate. You folks are so full of lies and fear and hatred and propaganda that a debate is pointless. I've never been a fan of Reagon, but even he knew that Amnesty was not a four letter word.


Sergio Topaz says:

$400,000 for a media crew??? You're not a very smart person, are you William Crum.

I guess counting and decimal points are not skills necessary when using food stamps.

You left wing pansies insist on making the a racial issue. Here's a shocker, I am a Legal Mexican Immigrate, (no, not an anchor baby) who is disgusted by my fellow Mexican countrymen disrespecting the Country I now claim as mine, America. I spent almost 7 years immigrating to this country legally, assimilated as expected and required. I attended college (paid 100% with earning from my employment, never a government handout), received my degree then enlisted as an Officer in the Air Force. I served this Country proud for 8 years of my life. Taught me many things, but most importantly I learned for the first time in my life what it was like to be proud of the Country that I claimed as my own.

That is exactly why myself, my wife and all the true American patriots are so disturbed and angry. This country is operated by the Rule of Law. Why then would anyone support lawless people, who invaded this Country Illegally ??

Did you or your family at one point immigrate to this Country legally??? By supporting the lawless invaders you are in turn disrespecting you very own family members who endured the trials and tribulations that are part of the immigration process. That reflects on your personalities, and your worthlessness as an American.

I suppose I am now a racist in your eyes now also. We have learned that when individuals use the "race card", they have nothing valid to debate.

I would suggest you take a good look on how well you live here in this Country, maybe visit south of the border, then re evaluate your lack of Patriotism.

smooth says:

And while I am at the topic of liars....lets talk about Dennis Gillman aka Humanleague2 on youtube.
Another piece of shit liar....hit with a sign? You stuck your camera into that sign being held by a woman,asshole, and I cannot wait until you stick it in my face....you will learn the meaning of "Back the fuck up"......

Slavyanski says:

The idea that the "liberals" have a lack of patriotism here is rather strange. After all, when people talk about how great America is, they forget that America's economic superpower status(currently in decline) is largely due to the oppression(either directly or by proxy) of other people worldwide(this is the nature of an empire). Specifically related to this case: All those nice houses that Americans can afford? Nearly all are built by immigrant labor. Nobody complains about the house, but they complain about who is making them, without even noticing the connections.

Californicate Arizona says:

Stalin means Steel in Russian? Think some racist redneck welfare king might be copying ole Uncle Joe?

Dennis Gilman says:

Smooth, you are right. I defyed the laws of physics and gravity and while 2 of your HAGS were yelling at me for writing to The VFW I broke the sound barrior, and ran over and found some crazy nutcase Nativist with a sign and smashed myself into it. Then, the Sheriff deputies dragged HER away. WOW, thank the allwhitey Mighty you are here with your truth.

Anyone want to judge for themselves:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK8tP7CqTvw#GU5U2spHI_4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?HI_4

As far as me sticking anything in your face, you would
suck on it just like you did your Daddies and you would swallow as always, you little bitch.

Oh ya, And Sergio Topaz. Didn't you also invent the internet? Cure Cancer and were'nt you the first to land on the moon? No wonder you are so pissed off. Why cant everybody do it? (the $400,000 figure is right Sergio, not made up like your life.)

Kochise says:

Its funny, yet pathetic, how these neo-con scumbags thinks everybody`s a "Liberal". Sorry to break it to you, but Liberalist doesn't apply to me, simply because I speak out against racism, bigotry, and White Extremists doesn't make one a "Liberal" as the next guy. But hey, its not so bad to vote for a Democrat from time to time is it? They(far-right wackjobs) always talk about how those Liberals whined and complained a lot. Well if you look at the Republicans in the Clinton presidency, they did just the same, crying, bitchin`, yapping, and screaming at everybody, only to go as far as to kill innocent people, hence the bombing of the Alfredo P. Murrah building in OK City 19995 by a psychopathetic wing-nut. Timothy McVeigh was a far right Christian extremists and a mass murderer. Showing the world why we need to do another domestic terrorst sweep, especially in the wake of all this immigration debate.
I hope Barak Obama would make it his top priority to a serious crackdown on White Extreme Domestic Terrorist groups once he's the president(that is if he wins). And look into groups such as F.A.I.R. CCC, and others to see if they're actually funding such terrorism.....

George says:

Is there a point here? Sneaking across an international border is a crime. Sheriff's, city police, state police, INS, FBI, and every other peace officer has a duty to arrest those who enter the country illegally. It pretty simple..cops enforce the law, legislators write the laws and judges apply the law. Is the Sheriff using this issue to get re-elected,yes. Is it unfair, no. He is a politition. He's also right. His job is to arrest folks who commit crimes, sneaking accross the border is a crime. Doesn't matter if you are Mexican or Irish. He doesn't need a reason to stop someone who he thinks is an illegal. Bad news for libertarians, but it's a fact. Your civil rights stem from the laws of your citizenship. Illegal aliens do not have civil rights. If you travel to Mexico (or Ireland) you don't either.

Let's talk about those legislators who are NOT standing if front of cameras and telling us what they are going to do about this problem. The Sheriff can't do a damn thing about solving the problem. Why are we only talking about him?

Ari Gold says:

Wikipedia being cited as a legit source...check

Complete bullshit takes on history...check

Overblown and misused crime stats...check

Hispanic community in Arizona mischaracterized...check


Looks like another Illegal Immigration post!

AZ Mom says:

William Crumm above said:
"I heard that the first thing that Dan Saban will do is get rid of the media staff that the sheriff has and save the taxpayer almost $400,000 dollars. Well done Mr Saban. The second rumor I heard is to trade pink underwear with pink slips."

This is great news and hope there is more to come. Please write in this blog as you find more needed changes. Good work and something to look forward to.

The Sheriff's luxury offices in the Wells Fargo building must go and the related staff that exceeds what the LA Sheriff has and he has a much larger and more diversified population to deal with.

WE'RE VOTING FOR PROFESSIONALISM AND ACCOUNTABILLITY IN THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND WILL VOTE FOR DAN SABAN!!

smooth says:

Dennis Gillman,
Be sure and look me up. You and i are going to discuss your last post man to man, face to face.
And I promise, you will be worth the assault charge punk.

Dennis Gilman says:

"smooth says:
Dennis Gillman,
Be sure and look me up. You and i are going to discuss your last post man to man, face to face.
And I promise, you will be worth the assault charge punk."

Fact Time SMOOTHIE:

It a misdemeanor to risk your life crossing the Arizona Desert for 4 days to feed your family.

Its a felony to commit premeditated Assault. I could and probably should have the Police look up your IP address, But I'm too frightened right now to Dial a phone.

Who is the ILLEGAL NOW? If I were you, I'd pray that not even a hair on my head is ever harmed as you are already looking at hard time.

Timothy McVeigh would be a proud member of United For Sovereign America if he were around today. Just another So Called Patriot!

So, do you want to tell me and the world what you plan to do to me Mr. Smooth? What is worthy of an assault charge in your tortured, hateful little mind? Go on-your fans await your response......

smooth says:

It's OK....I am an illegal immigrant, so I don't have to follow the laws of the USA....they only apply to real citizens.
If the Phoenix PD wants to contact me, they know how as I am sure that this rag has already alerted them of my post. And by the way, if your that scared that you can't dial the phone then your a bigger punk bitch than I thought you were.

Your a big man when it comes to talking shit on the internet though. Typical punk.

Warren Worthington says:

"Dennis Gillman,
Be sure and look me up. You and i are going to discuss your last post man to man, face to face.
And I promise, you will be worth the assault charge punk."

Ah, there we go. The unintelligent finally resorting to the one thing they understand.

Steele says:

This Dennis Gilman must of been "home schooled" by his inbred parents.

There is no such law as Premeditated Assault, Mr Gullible. You continue to prove our point, that people like you should not breed. Then again living at your Mom's house she's probably against you breeding also. That's all the poor inbred bitch needs, another freeloading waste of skin living under her shack.

Because you didn't fair well at the learnin' derby, the legal definition of assault in Arizona, as most states, can occur verbally and/or physically.

Not knowing Smooth or his motives, I believe he told you what he wanted to do to you and was/is waiting for you to grow a set of testicles and meet him like a man and settle your differences.

But since you're probably still sitting in a puddle of your own pee (oh boy is Mom going to be mad at you) your time to prove you are a respectable man is now.

Please invite me to the "fiesta", I will award the winner of this duel $100, much more that I'm sure you make in a whole months worth of allowance from Mom's welfare check.

Later Mr Gullible, it must really suck being you.

Dennis Gilman says:

Is it just me or does anyone else notice how the two that are talking the tuffests and making the most threats are too big of cowards to use there real names? STEELE AND SMOOTH, The Movie! Gay Porn for Nativists.

Steele, One thing for certain is that you are not an attorney. But I think its cute the way you Charles Mansion Wanna-Bees stick together. As for your rant-fantasy about me, well- if you are tight with U.S.A., then you already know where I live and you know that it aint with my mother,

Besides my Mom would never put up with your Mom coming over and performing oral sex on my german shepard. In all fairness, she says it helps get the taste of you out of her mouth.

smooth says:

Keith Lefebvre
602-200-4646
Call me tough guy.

Dennis Gilman says:

"smooth says:
Keith Lefebvre
602-200-4646
Call me tough guy."

My Dearest Keith,

Now why would I want to call you? You are not that interesting and it sounds like you are already in a hot and heavy relationship with STEELE.

I'm a bit too smart to be boxing with you or anyone else, but also way to wise to fear a coward. Either way, this is becoming boring for me and I'll leave you to have the last comment or threat or whatever you want to do now. As I am reminded of my own words before this debate got started:

FIGHTING ON THE INTERNET IS LIKE RACING IN THE SPECIAL OLIMPICS, EVEN IF YOU WIN- YOU ARE STILL RETARDED.

XXOO

Dennis

Keith Lefebvre says:

Hi, I'm Keith "Mr. Smooth" Lefebvre, and I have a tiny cock and a high-school education. Please call me. I'm home alone with my Fleshlight and a bottle of olive oil. A calm warm voice -- male or female would help me forget I'm a loser that hates Hispanics and is missing my upper bridge. You know the number