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BREAKING NEWS: Family of Carol Gotbaum serves PHX with a Notice of Claim for $8 million.

Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 04:35:49 PM

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The late Carol Gotbaum with her children.

Just under the wire today, Phoenix attorney Mike Manning served a Notice of Claim to the City of Phoenix in the still-mysterious death of Carol Anne Gotbaum, asking for $8 million on behalf of the Gotbaum family. As you may recall, Gotbaum died September 28 in police custody at Phoenix's Sky Harbor Airport after being arrested for disorderly conduct. Handcuffed and shackled, she apparently managed to asphyxiate herself. Maricopa County Medical Examiner Ann Bucholtz ruled the death an accidental "hanging," and found that Gotbaum's blood tested positive for 0.24% ethyl alcohol, and for antidepressants.

The Notice of Claim reads in part:

"On [the day of Gotbaum's death], members of the Phoenix Police Department ("PPD") used excessive and unreasonable force on Carol as if she was a dangerous criminal, rather than as the sick, intoxicated, and vulnerable person she was. Instead of getting her the medical and mental help she so obviously needed, officers first restrained her with unnecessary and excessive force, then took her to a holding cell where they shackled her with a chain and left her alone. In the process, they ignored the warning signs that their own policies, procedures and training materials told them could result in Carol's death. And it did. Carol died shortly thereafter, in the chains the officers placed upon her, in the room where they left her all alone and without help."

The entire Notice of Claim is over 200 pages long, and I've only read the introduction, which you can also read, here. The PHX PD, for their part, have responded with a long letter which essentially places the blame on Carol's husband Noah for allowing his wife to fly unescorted to Arizona, where she was supposed to enter a rehab facility in Tucson as treatment for alcoholism. The PHX PD response doesn't hesitate to get personal. Check this excerpt from the document:

"Noah has admitted that Carol was in deep depression and should not be alone. Michael, I believe even you are quoted as saying that, `You don’t leave someone that you know is sick.' Well, who left Carol alone knowing she was sick? Noah did. And he now criticizes the police officers for dealing with a situation that he, as her husband, could have prevented.

Even more telling, the Gotbaum family criticizes the officers because the officers did not `put an arm around [Carol’s] shoulders, sit her down and give her some attention.' So, with Carol reportedly screaming her hatred of `American cops,' the Gotbaum family believes that these same hated officers should have put their arms around her shoulders, sat her down, and given her some attention. One would ordinarily expect that role to fall to a spouse. But, Carol was alone."

The penultimate graph is especially stinging:

"In 2007 the Phoenix Police Department received over 33,000 calls for service and made almost 4,500 adult bookings involving Disorderly Conduct/Loud Noise and Drinking. Is there anyone seriously suggesting that the officers should place a 24-hour suicide watch on each “drunk and disorderly” suspect they arrest? That they should put their arms around their shoulders, sit them down, and give them some attention? Or is this treatment only for the wealthy and politically influential?"

You can read the entire response, here. Previous coverage can be accessed by clicking on Carol Gotbaum's name below. My initial take is that the PHX PD response is a little too nasty. Manning's NOC seems a lot more measured and thoughtful. I personally hope Phoenix and the Gotbaum family settle. It's not as if the PHX PD set out to do Carol Gotbaum harm. On the other hand, someone collared for disorderly conduct should not die in police custody, even if she was snockered at the time.

Full disclosure: Mike Manning represents New Times in its claim against Sheriff Joe and County Attorney "Candy" Thomas. You know, the one resulting from the arrests of New Times founders Mike Lacey and Jim Larkin. If you've been living under a rock, you can get the skinny on that, here.

17 Comments:

Globalist Technocrat says:

I hope they get every penny.

Keeping Vigilant in AZ says:

The Gotbaum family is fortunate to have found the right Arizona attorney on the first try, while so many others have had a trail of incompetent and ineffective attorneys. We hope the family and her children get every penny possible for this Phoenix Airport tragedy that could happen to anyone passing through and experiencing a problem.

No consideration was shown this woman. The video shows how she was manhandled by the police.

Thank you Mr. Lemons for keeping this story alive. Women are treated very poorly in the state of Arizona and are very much at risk for destruction, this is one of many ways the culture here treats it's women.

ATF8611 says:

The phx police should counter-sue. This lawsuit is outrageous. The police were simply following procedure. I feel that there are 100% justified in explicitly placing the blame where it is due (on her husband). They had no idea what condition she suffered from when they booked her.

"On the other hand, someone collared for disorderly conduct should not die in police custody, even if she was snockered at the time."

This isn't the result of inhumane or otherwise unusual treatment. I agree that NOBODY should die in police custody, but they (the police) did everything by the book and this crazy drunk brought about her own fate.

Coz says:

Ok, I see now.

It's ok that she died in police custody since she was drunk and disorderly. And all this time I thought when you were in Police custody and control they were responsible for your well being. Silly me..........

You're going to have to do better than that guys, I don't think the jury is going to buy into it.

>>The PHX PD, for their part, have responded with a long letter which essentially places the blame on Carol's husband Noah for allowing his wife to fly unescorted to Arizona, where she was supposed to enter a rehab facility in Tucson as treatment for alcoholism. The PHX PD response doesn't hesitate to get personal

Gary Klahr says:

Although I SUSPECT Carol's family has SOME claim, it should not over-shadow the much-more-outrageous city coverup of the Ed M allet killing a deacde ago. This legless man was killed because he had the NERVE---as a black "dope dealer?" to think it was legal to go into an apt bldg to make a phone call. The police called it trespass and when he wouldn't submit to arrest , killed him!! The coverup went on for years until a courageous middle-class jury made the largest award in C ity history for his family-- $50 million; the city had offered ZERO and attacked people like me who DARED suggested it may have been PARTLY their fault. We should all remember the STIRRING WORDS of the jury foreman---"We are conservatives but we are not stupid. Our verdict was intended to SEND THEM a message." The City pd a reduced $5 million settlement to avoid an appeal---but the City |MGR, City Atty & Police Chief LEARNED NOTHING from that verdict for the future.
Again Gottbaum is a more nuanced matter, but the refusal to settle is part of the same lose-lose strategy that is raising our fees and taxes. (Looked at your "water" bill lately, larded down with jail taxes and repeated increases in garbage fees, sewer fees and water fees?????)

number88 says:

In my personal opinion the family is just trying to take advantage and make money out of this tragedy.

it's one thing if the cops had anything to do with her death such as using deadly force to calm her down but she killed herself and that's the bottom line, all she needed was 60 seconds alone to do it so that whole thing about her being unnatended for 15 minutes it's not the cause of her death! what if it was 5 minutes unnatended would everybody make a bid deal about her being unnatended for 5 minutes? it doesn't even take more than 2 minutes to commit suicide.

don't get me wrong I'm all up for justice but I don't see how this should be the Airport Security's Fault.


number88 says:

"The Gotbaum family criticizes the officers because the officers did not `put an arm around [Carol’s] shoulders, sit her down and give her some attention."

don't know how the police officers are where the Gotbaum family lives but wouldn't it be nice if cops did that???....

boomer49 says:

Once again Klahr is the voice of reason!
Regardless of the charge the health and welfare of anyone in the CUSTODY of any Governmental Authority is the RESPONSIBILITY of the Agency holding them.

Bluox48 says:

Only $8 mil?? Not enough, they should have started at a $100 mil
This whole episode was unnecessary and handled in the worst possible way, but then with the way this country is going (we know how popular Big Joe is despite mildly lowering polls) soon the new Gestapo will control it all!

justine says:

no matter how hard Andy Hill tried narrating the video I saw it quite differently. He said see how the 2nd officer approachs and takes 20 sec to talk her down NO i didnt see that. I saw the lst officer grab her arm very hard , the 2nd officer approach marching in with hand on his gun and no talking,immediately grabbed her and drag her thru the airport. Who wouldnt yell out for help, at least get some people s attention! On the news it only said disrubtive behavior,(until the autopsy) it was obvious the police officers did not know she was intoxicated! And what are they trained in.?? You do not "take someone to rehab" they HAVE TO GO ALONE

clarke-goodyear says:

it's about time that the abuse of power is exposed, I hope they win big time. These officers may come across dangerous people, but when it is a situation that is under control they need to recognize that.
also when someone is under the influence, if they had recognized that and saw she was not under control, suspect some type of mental illness and taken her in for medical release , and taken to a hospital she would have had a sitter.
when she was put in a holding cell do you think they woudl have allowed her husband in there???? NO WAY.! She was in Their custody and they screwed up. She should have been on camera or observed, where were these police officers when she was in their. Im sure they got the report "doctored up"

StotheizzE says:

Since it's clear that the majority of posters so far are very clearly anti-law enforcement, I'm not surprised at the slant.
But, one thing that has been forgotten by the posters is this very disturbed woman was allowed to travel cross country by herself. The family should have had an escort, plain and simple, and they, I'm sure, know this. But, there are others to blame, so the family is going to blame them.
I'll have much more support and sympathy for the family when I hear them acknowledge that they erred by not sending an escort with Mrs. Gotbaum.

Alarmed Citizen says:

Hindsight is 20/20. The bottom line is the woman was in distress and not well. She needed help, not to be put in chains in what was already a holding area. Why the chains? Three strong police officers couldn't handle her? I'll think twice going through the airport where the Gestapo reign. This could happen to anyone and should be a warning to anyone who is having health or mental problems.

Lynch M All says:

Can you say Jewish Lottery?

gobears says:

Lynch, you're a bigoted A-hole. You chose your nom de plume very well.

The Gotbaums may be ably represented but their claim is outrageous especially the part about the cops needing to be more compassionate towards a sick person.

Society recognizes alcoholism as an illness, true, but society demands that police keep order, particularly at sensitive places such as an airport. A screaming, drunken person could easily be a diversion for a terrorist plot so the police do not take undue chances.Since mind-reading isn't part of the job description, how could the police know she was more than what her appearance indicated? But Noah Gotbaum knew.

Lastly, it's the guilt of the Gotbaums talking here, I think. They should have been with Carol Ann, they knew her underlying condition, they knew she'd tried to suicide previously, but they effectively withheld that information from the airline and the security at any stopping place enroute.

While it was the police' responsibility to safeguard Carol Ann's person under detention could they have reasonably understood that the shackling system employed in itself represented a danger to someone as slim and motivated and crazed as she was? The emphasis is on the reasonableness of that expectation.

I predict that ultimately there will be a small monetary payoff to the family without an acceptance of responsibility but an agreed-upon change of methodology in the restraint system and procedures. Nothing more.

The Gotbaum family erred in permitting Carol Ann to travel alone, even if that was her expressed wish. They could have arranged for a person unknown to Carol Ann to be on the same flight as a guardian angel, so-to-speak, to watch over her until she arrived at the detox facility. They had the monetary means to do it but not the mental resources. They cared too much for Carol Ann and her wishes when the proper thing would have been to (as Ronald Reagan put it) "trust but verify."

Theirs is a burden of guilt that no lawsuit can ever assuage even if successful. Blaming someone else is a psychological way to get them off the hook for responsibility but it won't work.

Smooth says:

The people who see nothing wrong with this family suing our fine police force terrify me!!
At what point does personal responsibility come into question for this woman? She got drunk....she ate the pills.....her family knowing she was "sick" let her fly alone?????
Give me a fucking break.....This is the exact same shit that is destroying our country is this liberal left wing idealogy that the collective is responsible for me!!!!
BULLSHIT!!!!! This woman and her family are the reason she is dead.....not one Phoenix police officer or the way she was handled is responsible.
This idea that by not accepting personal responsibility for the choices that we make is sickening to me. That is like asking a government to let me sneak into it's country and then expecting that government to support me with food programs and free medical care......oh wait....that's right....you people here think that's OK behavior too.

Ted says:

Obviously not much has changed at that airport since 1969. I got off a flight from San Francisco one afternoon after becoming deathly ill en route. Almost as soon as I boarded the plane I rushed to the rest room and threw up everything I had eaten the night before and that morning. After returning to my seat I was gripped with alternating chills and fever. When the plane landed at Phoenix I was guided off by a helpful stewardess but passed out soon after moving a few yards away from the gate. I was shaken awake by a uniformed officer who's exact words are indelibly etched in my mind, "You're under arrest kid". Two of them dragged me to an office where I was questioned for hours. Convinced that I was "high" they barked over and over, "what are you high on kid?", while searching me, my wallet, finally all my possessions. Those consisted of fourty-two books and a few small items I had left with a friend when I had moved from SF to Tucson two month previously. I repeatedly told them that I was sick and needed to go to a hospital. They laughed at me and ignored my profuse sweating and uncontrollable shaking insisting that I was "high". It was daylight when the plane landed in Phoenix but dark when those two thugs in uniform finally gave up on finding any drugs and bundled me into a paddy wagon for the trip to the downtown jail. I was delirious throughout those hours of harassment and searches at the airport. My ticket for the onward leg of my flight to Tucson was waiting at the American Airlines counter. My girlfriend purchased it in Tucson after I called her from SFI to inform her that I only had enough money to pay for the first leg of the flight to Tucson. Those police didn't care that I missed my flight as they harassed me. They charged me with vagrancy since I had less than a dollar in my pockets. The ticket in my name worth twenty-seven dollars didn't matter to them, they left it at the AA counter after verifying that it existed. At the Madison Street jail I was placed in a cell with nothing in it. Just steel walls and a cold concrete floor and no blanket. When I called for help asking to see a doctor The jailers would open a small port and yell at me to shut the F*** up! I thought I was going to die in there that night. In the morning the brought me out and fingerprinted and mugshot me. The officer doing that was very friendly and told me that since I had never been arrested before I should plead guilty when I went before the judge later in the morning. He assured me that as a first timer the judge would release me. Indeed a bit later all the prisoners on that level were handcuffed together in a long line and lead down a steel circular staircase to appear before the judge. Taking my friendly jailer's advice I plead guilty and collapsed in horror as he banged his gavel down declaring, "Five days!" My unwilling companions were dragged down on top of me when I collapsed. Herded back up the circular stairs we were put into large holding cells for about an hour, then linked together again and a repeat down the stairs and loaded onto a bus that carried us back to the airport where there was a jail right off the runway. This time I was linked on my forward side with Tom, a giant of a black fellow, a gentle down on his luck prizefighter who made sure that I was safe once we were put into the "rabbit" tank at the jail. More than once Tom warned other inmates that to cause harm to the skinny white boy would bring his wrath down on them. I was pretty out of it for about the first two and a half days of my ordeal, but was never seen by any medical or quasi medical personnel during my incarceration. I was lucky, apparently all that was wrong with me was a bad case of food poisoning, but had my condition been more serious, who knows what the outcome may have been? When I was to be released, they hauled me back downtown giving me back only my wallet and jacket. All my possessions disappeared along with my freedom when I had the bad luck to encounter the airport police that march afternoon in 1969.

I wish Mike Manning the best in his much needed attempt to put the brakes to the long term culture of harassment and cruelty at the airport!

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