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AZ neo-Nazi icon Elton Hall hit by vehicle while protesting Salvador Reza's day-labor center.

Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 02:20:06 PM

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Elton Hall (left) at a neo-Nazi BBQ last year; note his pal's affection for the neo-Nazi punk rock band Skrewdriver.

Alter kocker anti-immigrant activist Elton Hall, 74, a persistent protester of the Macehualli Work Center and a fixture at other anti-immigrant protests, was struck and injured Saturday morning when two vehicles collided at the intersection of 25th Street and Bell. According to Phoenix police, Bernardino Diaz Conde was making an illegal left-hand turn onto 25th from Bell, when he struck an eastbound vehicle being driven by Robin Govert. Govert's vehicle slid out of control, went up on the sidewalk, and hit Hall, who was standing near the curb.

Hall's injuries were not life-threatening, though an ambulance was called and he was taken to Paradise Valley Hospital. A spokesperson for the hospital listed him as being in stable condition. Speculation from some at the scene was that Hall might have broken a leg or a hip, but PV Hospital declined to verify the exact nature of Hall's injuries.

This sort of accident may have been just a matter of time. On each occasion I've paid a visit to Macehualli, Hall was invariably standing right next to the curb on Bell with some sign warning of the evils of immigration. And Bell's a very busy roadway, to say the least.

No doubt the nativists protesting Macehualli on a nearly daily basis now will make much of the fact that Conde was the driver at fault, and did not have a driver's license on him. Conde was cited and his car impounded, according to the PHX PD. The nativists up at Macehualli love when something like this happens. Who knows, maybe United for a Sovereign America, the extremist group run by former Kia-peddler Rusty Childress, will award Hall a month of free breakfasts at Denny's for taking one for the team. Childress' U.S.A. is promoting the Macehualli protests, you see.

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Elton Hall, standing a little too close to the road for comfort.

Why am I bothering with the fact this old coot got hit by a car? Well, Hall just happens to be an iconic AZ neo-Nazi from back in the day. And he remains active in local white supremacist circles. Local National Socialist Movement organizer Scott Hume often lauded Hall on his now-defunct "Sacred Order" Yahoo group. And there were photos of Hall at an NSM BBQ organized by Hume last year, which hailed Hall as one of George Lincoln Rockwell's original stormtroopers.

Hall may appear to be some kindly ol' grampa, but he's been in the neo-Nazi movement for so long that he's actually mentioned in two academic studies about white supremacists in America.

In the Duke University Press' Gods of the Blood: The Pagan Revival and White Separatism, by Mattias Gardell, pg. 261, Hall is mentioned in reference to a far-right-winger by the name of Valgard Murray:

"Active in the national socialist wing of the radical right, Murray in the late 1960s learned about Odinism through Elton Hall, then Arizona organizer of the American Nazi Party."

Hall's also mentioned in the study, The Cultic Milieu: Oppositional Subcultures in an Age of Globalization, by Jeffrey Kaplan and Heléne Lööw, (AltaMira Press) on page 172:

"In Rockwell's American Nazi Party (ANP), Arizona organizer Elton Hall in vain tried to move the ANP toward a more class-based white worker direction and to get it engaged in union organizing."

I've confronted Hall more than once about his past. He answers to his name for me, but that's about it. Otherwise, he just offers a coy little smile. He's been less coy towards Salvador Reza, the operator of the Macehualli Work Center. Reza says Hall's called him and the day-laborers at the center "wetbacks" in the past. This, despite the fact Reza's an American citizen who's served in the armed forces.

Hall is the kind of far-right crackpot that the U.S.A-organized protests at Macehualli continue to attract. I don't know if Hall's an actual "member" of U.S.A., but they seem to get along fine with him. Anti-Hispanic Hispanic Anna Gaines of You Don't Speak for Me (a frequenter of U.S.A. events) often stood side-by-side with Hall on the very section of sidewalk where the car struck him Saturday. I didn't see her around, however, on the day of the accident.

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Prejudiced powwow: Anti-immigrant fanatic Buffalo Rick's seated to the left, Elton Hall's seated to the far right, don't-know-who's behind Rick.

They're a hostile, pistol-packin' little crew. Nearly every time I walk through their encampment on the outside of Macehualli, I'm met with verbal abuse and veiled threats. Once in a blue one, I'll find someone in the nativist camp I can have a civil confab with, but that's rare. As evidence, check out this excellent video up at Barriozona.com of Macehualli's 5th Anniversary. At one point, you can see Hall in a crowd of people shouting "Bullshit!" at the folks celebrating. Witness that all of the hatred is on the nativist side of that fence.

(Where Hall's standing in the video is about a block from where he was struck -- there are usually xenophobes stationed in both areas. Reza told me that he and others prayed openly for Hall after he was hit, and were taunted for doing so by the nativists.)

I did ask Elton Hall's compadres if they knew that he was a famous neo-Nazi. They said I was lying, but the pics don't lie. And I suspect that even if they knew of his background, they'd just shrug it off.

One protester did mention that Hall was a veteran. I don't know if this is true. However, I do know that American Nazi Party founder George Lincoln Rockwell served with distinction during WWII. Does that lessen his influence as one of the premier American bigots of his time? Not at all.

33 Comments:

ameriKKKa`s nightmare says:

"Gods of the blood: The pagan revival and white separatism."???

Ok. So these guys are not Christians but pagans and Satanists and no question about it, that they do needed to be SEPARATED from society as a whole. Its nothing but pure evil and hate coming from that natavists camp and I think its fair to say that Hall got what he deserve. But what the hell, bad things can happen to bad people too, right?

Keep up the good work Phoenix One!!

local pagan says:

hey moron, Satan was a fallen angel of Christ. to link Satanism and paganism is a ridiculous claim. paganism is an entirely different belief system comprised of early folk religions and polytheistic mythologies. Satan has nothing to do with any of the religious practices involved with pagan beliefs. they each have their own belief of good and evil and encompass different figures to do so. Satan happens to be the Christian form of evil. Odinism, which I believe was mentioned above in regards to Mr. Hall, is the Norse polytheistic beliefs of ancient Scandinavian and Germanic tribes and barbarians. these beliefs pre-date the teachings of Christ and Satan. to link the two is ignorant. please, open a book other than the bible every once in a while.

A. N. says:

"Please, open a book other than a bible every once in a while."

Douchebag, I never said I was a religious zealot or a Mike Huckabee for that matter. Although I admit I am a Christian(or a Crusader) but not active enough to usurp any higher positions in the church. Despite that, I firmly believe in our lord and savior J.C. Hence the commandments:
".....and there shall be no other gods before me." Polytheistic paganism and mythologies et al doesn't do anything for me but having a little faith does. Anyhow, thanks for the little brief on the subject, though........and by the way. Satan wasn't a "fallen angel of Christ." He was a fallen angel of the heavens altogether. Enough with religion for now.

George Lincoln Rockwell was assassinated and I guess he had it coming, probably caught one in the head but I'm not sure, I wasn't born yet to witness it. Somehow they managed to keep the neo-nazi movement alive without him which is not surprising. What's more disturbing though, is that those people at the day labor site tried to "pray" and wish him(Elton Hall) well only to get cussed & spit at. What kind of folks are they in that natavist crowd? When will those flaccid old fannies leave to find something better to do??? People are sick and tired of their old B.S.

Tom Metzger says:

I am sorry to hear of Eltons injuries. I havent seen him in years.I will now renew old contacts. Thanks. Oh yes to all big mouths I could arrange for a crew of young White Racists to visit the area.But they wont be carrying signs. Tom Metzger

lujlp says:

So A.N. your a christian who doesnt belive that christ and god are the same being?

According to 90% of the 3,500 demoninational christina sects you are no better than the pagans you despise

Perhaps you should bother to do a little research into your faith before you proclaim it so proudly.

For example did you know that at one time the heads of the catholic church decided christ had no soul?

raining fire says:

i dont care what these anglo suppressives keep saying. pretty much no one with a good rational perspective does, so those who do are irrational working on wrong information...

the curse only works when evil shows it's face...

PeckerWoody says:

Don't know bald asshole racist Tom Metzger? read wikipedia to find out what a shameless piece of shit he is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Metzger

"Thomas Linton Metzger (born April 9, 1938) is the founder of the White Aryan Resistance. Metzger has been incarcerated in Los Angeles County, California and Toronto, Canada, and has been involved in several government inquiries and lawsuits. He has participated in race discussions and interviews with CNN and Telemundo, and has appeared in numerous documentaries about White nationalism.

Metzger was born and raised in Indiana. [1] He served in the U.S. Army from 1961 until 1964 when moved to Southern California to work in the electronics industry.[1] For a short time, he was a member of the John Birch Society and attended Anti-Communist luncheon meetings sponsored by the Douglas Aircraft Corporation.[1]

Metzger served as a Barry Goldwater precinct worker in 1964, but by 1968 moved to Fallbrook, California and supported George C. Wallace for President.[1] Meztger stopped paying taxes in the 1970s and by 1972 his tax protest over the Vietnam War destroyed his thriving television business but introduced him to other tax protesters who, he said, were "atheist racists, Christian Identity racists, Nazis, all kinds of people."[1]

During the 1970s he joined the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, which was led by David Duke, eventually becoming the Grand Dragon for the State of California. In summer 1979, he organized a patrol to capture illegal Mexican immigrants south of Fallbrook, California. Metzger's Klan organization also had a security force which was involved in confrontations with anti-Klan protesters. Metzger's branch of the Klan split with Duke's organization in 1980 to form the "California Knights of the Ku Klux Klan."[2] Also in 1979 he took Greg Withrow, of the White Student Union "under his wing," which later became the Aryan Youth Movement (AYM), for youth associated with White Aryan Resistance.[3] He was also a minister in the Christian Identity movement.[citation needed]

In 1980, Metzger won the Democratic Party nomination for the U.S. House of Representatives with over 40,000 votes in a San Diego-area district.[4] He had changed his party registration from Republican to Democrat earlier in the year. The Democrats disavowed his candidacy, instead endorsing incumbent four-term Republican Clair Burgener.[5] Metzger lost by over 200,000 votes in November to a several-term incumbent in a heavily Republican district.

In 1982 he sought the Democratic Party's U.S. Senatorial nomination, running against then-Governor Jerry Brown and author Gore Vidal. He received 3% of the vote.

Metzger left the Klan after the election and formed the "White American Political Association" in order to promote "pro-White" candidates for office. He ran for the United States Senate in 1982, winning almost 76,000 votes (and 2.8% of the vote) in the Democratic Party Primary.[citation needed] In 1983, he changed the name of his group to "White Aryan Resistance" (WAR). WAR worked to recruit members in prisons, and rejected Christianity as a form of Judaism.

Metzger made numerous television appearances in addition to hosting his own cable access show. In November 1988, his son appeared on an episode of the Geraldo Rivera show in which a brawl broke out and Rivera's nose was broken after a chair was thrown at him.[6]

The group was eventually bankrupted as the result of a civil lawsuit centered on its involvement in the 1988 murder of Mulugeta Seraw, an Ethiopian man who came to the United States to attend college. In 1988, white power skinheads affiliated to WAR were convicted of killing Seraw and sent to prison. Kenneth Mieske said he and the two others killed Seraw "because of his race."[7] Metzger declared that they did a "civic duty" by killing Seraw.[8] Morris Dees and the Southern Poverty Law Center filed a civil suit against him, arguing that WAR influenced Seraw's killers by encouraging their group East Side White Pride to commit violence.[9][10]

At the trial, WAR national vice president Dave Mazzella testified how the Metzgers instructed WAR members to commit violence against minorities. Tom and John Metzger were found civilly liable under the doctrine of vicarious liability, in which one can be liable for a tort committed by a subordinate or other person taking instructions. The jury returned the largest civil verdict in Oregon history at the time—$12.5 million—against Metzger and WAR.[11] The Metzgers' house was seized, and most of WAR's profits go to paying off the judgment.

After the trial, Metzger's home was transferred to Seraw's estate for $121,500, while Metzger was allowed to keep $45,000 under California's Homestead Act.[12] The SPLC and ADL came up with $45,000 need to pay Meztger for the home.[12] Metzger was warned that any damage left to the house would result in a lawsuit, and while he left it "a mess" with cracked windows, there was no serious damage.[12] As a result of the sale of his home, he was forced to move into an apartment.[12]

In May 1991, Metzger had to agree to stop selling T-shirts of Bart Simpson in a Nazi uniform with the words "Pure Nazi Dude" and "Total Nazi Dude".[13] He was convicted in 1991 of burning a cross in 1983, and sentenced to six months in prison and 300 hours community service working with minorities.[14] He was released from prison 46 days into his sentence to be with his critically ill wife, who died after the seizure of his home.[15] In 1992, Metzger and his son violated a court order not to leave the country and entered Canada to speak to the Heritage Front. Soon afterwards, he was arrested for violating Canadian immigration laws by entering the country to "promote racial hatred".[16] He was summoned at US Treasury Department inquiries concerning racist messages on back side of fake dollar bills.

Metzger appeared on a 2003 documentary by Briton Louis Theroux, titled "Louis and the Nazis".

In recent years, Metzger has advocated the "lone wolf" method of organization for white nationalist groups, which states that a person should not outwardly display his/her racist ideology, but must act covertly.[17] Metzger hosts a weekly radio talk show called Insurgent Radio, on the Internet-based Turner Radio Network (not affiliated with the Turner Broadcasting System) in Temecula, California.

Metzger still makes payments to Seraw's family.

He is also a possible inspiration for Cameron Alexander of the movie American History X."

Anonymous says:

Bummer, sure hope there wasn't to much damage to the vehicle.

Christopher Brennan says:

These guys are so far right, no one cares anymore. Writing articals like this only sheds light on their cause. Weak attacks like the one presented in this story only encourage more of them on the streets. Stop giving them press.

Tom E. Gunn says:

Tom Metzger says:
I am sorry to hear of Eltons injuries. I havent seen him in years.I will now renew old contacts. Thanks. Oh yes to all big mouths I could arrange for a crew of young White Racists to visit the area.But they wont be carrying signs. Tom Metzger

Tom, from one Tom to another, bring on your vermin. We anxiously await their arrival. I'll personally serve up some drinks for your little clones, say Molotov cocktails. Then maybe they'd appreciate some appetizers, like their own freshly castrated oysters. On to the main course, sauteed scalp of skinhead. And no meal is complete without dessert. How about a little Mexican flan? Up your ass!!
Metzger, you are an old nobody, a has-been, and a never-was. Go away and nobody gets hurt. Show up with ANY of your kind and it will be your LAST mistake.
Of course, I understand that you LOVE a challenge, so maybe that's how you see this. As one dedicated to ridding the earth of all riff-raff, cretins, low-lifes and vermin, I certainly hope so.

GlobalistTechnocrat says:

Yeah Tom, I had some of your young white racists pay me a visit about 15 to 20 years ago. I was living in eastern Oklahoma and was dating someone of another race (I'm white, she was black). Woke up to hear noise and saw a cross going up in my law. One well placed shot through the front grill of their truck and I never saw Metzger's Cowards again.

number88 says:

don't these anti-illegals have real jobs? i can see where these old folks might be retired but what about the rest?

Elton Hall see what happens when all you do is stand on a sidewalk, chances are you're gonna to get hit by a car you fuck*n IDIOT!

AmeriKKKa`s Nightmare says:

Yes sir, talk about that statement made with an IMPACT regarding Elton Hall. I hope he`ll never come back to downtown Phoenix again, after what he just went through may have been his worst nightmare. This little band of wrinkled inbreds who are still there protesting nothing but moot, never seemed to get it straight, that the fued with Pruitt`s is now ancient history. Where the "exodus" of illegal aliens have already started and may continue for the time being, due to the new employer sanctions law sponsored by nut-winged wackjobs with the likes of Russell Pearce R-Mesa. The pretext of this law only serves as a catalyst for their ongoing horrid maladies with the Latino population. Those gramps in doo-rags are not just protesting "illegal immigration" but the Americans of Hispanc heritage and of Mexican descent. To those of you who looked "messacan" in the state of Arizona, working hard to aquire your American Dreams may be jeopordized into AmeriKKKa`s Nightmare..........

Dude! The Messicans took their jobs away.

Dude! The Messicans took their jobs away.

Bastard this WAS a weak post.

Brandy says:

Interesting how that video of the 'celebration' at the day labor center left out the 9 or 10 year old Hispanic girl shouting, "Shove those flags up your asses!" to us hateful racists protesters outside. They also left out the Hispanic man who came out to us and told some of the members, "You're not the right color to be here!" Hmmmmm.... and they call us racists?

They also left out their comments about this being Aztlan and how they're taking back 'their' land. Let me see... if someone came into your HOME and told you that it belonged to them and that you aren't the right color to be there what would you do???

I'm in their video but they never taped what I was saying. They didn't show me saying, "My grandparents came here LEGALLY from Mexico so what makes you think that YOU are ABOVE THE LAW?" When they claimed that we "need them to raise our children" I shouted that I raised my own and never needed an illegal's help with them." Nobody I've known has ever needed the help of an illegal to raise their children. I guess that's just for the rich people.

Funny, I didn't hear or see a lot of things on BOTH sides of the fence that were said and done. As usual, they only show their best side and then try to show our worst. Those of us who care enough to be there and find out for ourselves know the TRUTH. I was happy to see (and they didn't show) groups of non Hispanics LEAVING their celebration while they were going on about this being their land and they will take it back. Those people heard it for themselves and didn't appear to like it either.

As for Elton, we all come from different paths and I'm sure that many have come from places that others wouldn't approve of. (I did my fair share of partying in my youth and I know that some of the 'church goers' in our group would frown on that.) I judge people by the way that they act around me and the way that they treat me... not by their life away from me. If Elton is a Nazi that is his choice. He has never displayed the slightest bit of 'white supremicist' behavior to me or our group and his shout's of, "Bullshit!" that day were totally apropriate for what was being said behind the fence. It was total BULLSHIT!

I would much rather stand beside a Nazi than a TRAITOR. Nazis never betrayed their country... Salvador Reza has and IS by supporting illegal aliens instead of his own American countrymen.

I never have and never will see how allowing people to enter our country illegally, mooch off our government, stand around like hookers waiting for johns on the streets (or in caged 'centers') and calling it looking for day labor and all of the other things that they do to ruin our economy, our sovreignty and the beauty of our great country will EVER be right.

How sad that everyone has forgotten on of the greatest Hispanics this nation has ever known, Cesar Chavez. He was TOTALLY AGAINST illegal aliens. He knew that they brought down the wages for the documented workers. He would have been one of the first to report them to protect those who followed the law. He was a GREAT AMERICAN and proud of it.

What a pity that many Hispanics no longer love our country or want to be Americans. They simply want to come here for our handouts and our money to send back to their families in THEIR countries. Is it any wonder that Calderon is here to demand amnesty for them? He wants to keep those dollars flowing from our pockets to his and he doesn't even have to spend a dime to take care of his own people. Something is horribly wrong here! Wake up!

Jenny says:

Not surprised the haters that hang out here post using the name of that Aryan Nation scumbag Metzger, so you can malign an innocent elderly man who was hit by another illegal alien driving illegally in our country.

You all have to manufacture excuses to hide behind. You are disgusting. No one listens to you, other than the handful of hatemongers who have nothing better to do than to hang out here on your cesspit.

Angie says:

What about the comments that were made inside the day labor? For instance....."You guys live your white pretty lives eating your dounuts at your breakfast knooks and we make that possible", or "Hilter still lives on the other side of the fence", or "those devil worshipers",or "they are here illegally"....meaning us Americans. Many people who came to the their march ended up leaving when those comments were made, didn't show that though. Elton has been a wonderful man to be around and I have never heard him make any comments that were Nazi-like. Everyone makes comments about race,religion,sex,and many other things but it only matters when you are "white". They say us "whites" all need to go back to Europe....well not all "whites" are from Europe first of all. Secondly Spain conquered Mexico long before our war with them. F.Y.I. the Spanish language and blood is very much European, though they'll never admit how little Indian they really are anymore. Mexico is one of the richest countries in the world contrary to popular belief, so why don't their people experience that there? Mexico would rather us pay to care for their people. Why give amnesty when they do not want to be Americans? Many aspects people should consider before jumping to conclusions.

Metzger, remember what happened the last time you got some young racists to do your bidding for you? Hell, if I recall correctly you didn't even send them out to do anything, they just had some connections to WAR. So spare those on this site the Hal Turner antics.

For those skeptics on here, Elton Hall is indeed a Neo-Nazi, and openly admits it. He still has various memorabilia from Rockwell's party, and I believe on one occasion he showed me his old stormtrooper ID card(perhaps it was simply an ANP ID, it was years ago).

Those nativists who still believe your organization isn't riddled with Neo-Nazis and their fellow travelers are living in a dream world. When this issue started to brew up back in 2003, local neo-Nazi groups were on the scene. Seeing as how I used to be well connected in that scene, I know plenty about this. We deliberately planned to focus on illegal immigration, and I personally went to an event to flyer various "mainstream" people. It was very clear that the hysteria over illegal immigration created a unique situation where people would tolerate the presence of folks with rather extreme views, and clearly this has been the case.

Any nativist "patriot" who thinks otherwise ought not to take photos of their rallies anymore- I can easily pick the Neo-Nazis out.

Just face the facts some time: Illegal immigration is a scapegoat. No politician will do a damn thing about it, because it benefits the ruling class. So long as nobody is willing to help undocumented workers organize, so long as their is no worker unity to challenge the power structure, the problem will continue indefinitely. And to pretend all your anger has nothing to do with race is ridiculous- how else could we Neo-Nazis have infiltrated your movement so well? If it's just about illegal status, why not sponsor laws that make it easier to come over? So just admit that you are upset about the changing demographics.

The solution is not waving American or Mexican flags, but united in common interest under one flag, the Red flag. The idea that whatever rights Mexicans secure must inevitably come from "whites" is simply ludicrous. Mexicans don't come here for your "white womens" or anything of that sort- they come to survive, and to help their families survive. Whatever cultural problems or conflicts we might have can be worked out in a civil manner once we stop participating in the artificial competition fostered between various groups by the ruling class. For it is to the advantage of that class, that various ethnic groups in America live in distrust of one another, that they are led to believe whatever piece of the pie they secure must be taken from the other groups, and that each wants to dominate exclusively.

Sorry for the tangent folks.

J. Slavyanski

Brandy says:

Yes, there was a time when Mexicans (and others) came here JUST "to survive, and to help their families survive". That time is long past for many of the Mexicans (and other Hispanics). Now they are making it quite clear with their actions and their voices that they believe that they are ENTITLED to our land and our money. Many have NO desire to be a part of this country unless they can take it over. They only want to take what they can get and send it back to Mexico. Their loyalties are to their countries... NOT OURS. We can't have a strong nation with people within our borders who bare NO allegiance to America. We will crumble from within.

BrandyGetaFuckingJob says:

You know the difference between the illegal aliens and you Brandy? The illegal aliens have to work for a living.

How do you get away with parking your lazy ass up at the work center trying to prevent people from doing what you won't do -- work?

Are you on welfare? Does your "man" provide all for you? Or are you just too stupid to go out and get a goddamn job?

And don't tell us the day-laborers have robbed you of your job. If you had to do the kind of work those people did, you'd flop over of a heart attack.

This is my problem with all the trash protesting at the day labor place. They're all shiftless, snagglepussed out-of-work a-holes who look like they haven't bathed in weeks. Who else would have all that free time to protest? Oh, yeah, old nazi farts like Elton Hall.

Brandy and the rest are a bunch of whiners and losers. Please shut the fuck up with your lies. Stick to eating bonbons and watching Ellen. No one gives a fuck what you think. Stupid bitch.

Slavyanski says:

I think it is pretty obvious that most of them are coming here for work, and the only thing that fuels Mexican nationalism here is the knee-jerk reaction of natives. You speak of loyalty to their country; did you not know that it was the policy of NAFTA that created this problem? Do you really think that Mexicans just want to move the border northward? All that would do is stick them under the same conditions they were trying to escape.

Hell, the businessmen would probably accept it after another 20 years, seeing that they could move some factories to Mexico's newly acquired territory.

Wherever it genuinely exists, Mexican nationalism should be opposed. The proper colors are not Red, White, and Blue, nor Green, White, and Red, but only Red.

~Brandy~ says:

I've heard it out their own mouths so yes, I do 'really think that Mexicans just want to move the border northward'.

They have no problem telling us that they are only here to make money and send it back to their families and that the don't want to be Americans. When asked why they don't want to become Americans we are told because they DON'T LIKE AMERICA. They tell us that their families don't want to come here. They just want our money so that they can have a better life there. They are USING US. No matter how awful their government is they will still tell us how much better Mexico is and shout, "Viva Mexico!" when they drive by.

I'm sorry that you think that 'The proper colors are not Red, White, and Blue, nor Green, White, and Red, but only Red.' With that belief you are in the wrong country!

Slavyanski says:

It seems to me they say these things to you as they drive by because they want to piss you off, and nothing more. The idea that Mexicans would not want to be citizens and earn as much as say middle class Americans is ludicrous. Is it only Mexicans that come to America and want to be exploited immigrants?

ss88 says:

There is going to be a battle soon. The legal gun owners will win. Trust me.

~Brandy~ says:

No, they drive by and say what they say to express how they feel about the subject. It doesn't piss me off. I usually laugh at them because it shows that I have pissed THEM off ;o)

You can believe what I say or not. It's your choice. I have made it a point to get off my ass and get out and see and hear for myself what is going on. I have heard it straight from their mouths that they don't want to become American citizens because they don't like America. I have heard it straight from them that they are only here to make money to send home to their families so that they can live better THERE.
Whenever I get the chance to have a conversation with them that is what I ask about. I didn't believe it either until I heard it for myself. I used to be a typical bleeding heart, save the world liberal until I realized that these people are not as 'helpless' as we think. They know exactly what they're doing and I, for one, am not going to be their fool anymore.

I'm afraid that ss88 is right, "There is going to be a battle soon." If our government continues to refuse to listen to us and refuses to close our borders and enforce our laws there will be no other way.

Thomas Jefferson said it best... "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

Theoretically the ILLEGAL gun owners would win, by virtue of their access to more weapons and weapons that are not legal to buy without an FFL Class III. Furthermore, seeing that the state has a monopoly on violence, and therefore any attempt to initiate a "battle" will result in the outlawing of those "legal gun" owners.

But please, keep talking tough, it has certainly worked for Teh Movement!!!1 plenty of times in the past!

58!!!

~Brandy~ says:

Whatever it takes ;o)

mATT says:

Who is Tom E Gunn?

Slavyanski says:

Ah yes, SOME day there's going to be this big "race battle" or something. It was supposed to happen during the L.A. Riots, then after the OKC bombing, then after 9-11, then Hurricane Katrina, the illegal alien thing. Yup...some day those WNs aren't going to take it anymore! Some day.


~Brandy~ says:

LOL...well, we do agree on ONE thing... it won't be the legal gun owners who will win. It will be the combination of legal AND illegal gun owners who will win.

It's amazing how many people own guns now who never thought that they would want or need to. They're seeing that it's time to get 'prepared' before the government has taken our 2nd Amendment rights away. If the government messes with that there will just be a WHOLE LOT more illegal gun owners ;o)

History repeats itself sooner or later and this is no different. Ever see 'Gangs of New York?

Slavyanski says:

For those that don't understand the "race war" concept that has been alluded to here, it works something like this:

While the WN movement LOOKS like a giant clusterfuck in real life, at some point the moment will come, which all WNs will recognize, and then suddenly all the fraud, backstabbing, infighting, and endless debates as to whether Iranians are "white" and whether they should wear Nazi uniforms in public will suddenly end. They will organize themselves into standing militias and carve an all-white homeland out of some part of America.

Of course, some of you may wonder how the US Army and National Guard would respond to such a thing- well the moment that the WNs are waiting for will most likely be announced on television when it happens, and during that moment the US will be in a state of total anarchy, when the army, police, and national guard will be rendered totally ineffective- most of their personnel simply going home.

America will instantly become a Mad-Max like wasteland, allowing the brave Aryan army and opportunity to impose their will on defenseless civilians.

Beware, all those who cross the movement, for "the Day of the Rope" will come. Some day.

~Brandy~ says:

I have no idea what the 'WN's, Nazis, Aryans, etc. are up to or what their plans are but I'm betting that sooner or later the shooting will start between the illegals and anti illegals... and I'm betting the illegals will fire the first shot. I hope that I'm wrong and that our government and police enforce our current laws, close and secure our border with a REAL fence and get the illegal problem solved before it comes to that.

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